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2ndGearRubber

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M635_Guy said:
There is zero doubt in my mind that if IP protection didn't expire, you'd hate that it didn't, I promise you. The good news is that the inventor of a technology tends to stick around beyond their patent, so most often you have the chance to buy what you perceive to be the better tool from the inventor.

Expiry of patents/intellectual property is the cornerstone of healthy, vibrant and competitive industry. Protection of monopolies has an utterly horrible history on scales large and small.
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I'm not advocating for monopolies. I'm just saying carbon copies, duplicates, is lame as a business choice IMO. Something could always be improved.
 
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Wow, some of these comments seem pretty heated all over the direction of some numbers. I have a feeling the comments would be just as heated if Icon had put the numbers right side up. I can hear them now "They should have left well enough alone and make them upside down like Snap On! If it ain't broke don't fix it!". :argue:
 
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2ndGearRubber said:
I'm not advocating for monopolies. I'm just saying carbon copies, duplicates, is lame as a business choice IMO. Something could always be improved.
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Do you use genetic drugs? Hopefully not. Those are copied down to molecules
 
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qqzj said:
Do you use genetic drugs? Hopefully not. Those are copied down to molecules
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I believe a socket has more to modify its interaction in use than the molecular structure of a drug. Of course, heroin and morphine have similar makeup and effect, but are different.

Although "designer drugs" were once popular to avoid bans based on molecular design. That's kind of getting into the weeds.

Build a socket? How can we make it the best possible?
 
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qqzj

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2ndGearRubber said:
I believe a socket has more to modify its interaction in use than the molecular structure of a drug. Of course, heroin and morphine have similar makeup and effect, but are different.

Although "designer drugs" were once popular to avoid bans based on molecular design. That's kind of getting into the weeds.

Build a socket? How can we make it the best possible?
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Best is a very murky word. Best of what? HF might already be the best, or they could be, or they will never be. Seeing someone asking for best version of something is kinda funny and ridiculous. Hey, but that’s what’s popular, and I also ask what is best, and hold my breath to see what kind of suggestions will surface.
 
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Firebrick43 said:
As for 1 out of 15 sets being different, Its not our fault that you don't own socket sets by one of the largest(if not largest) single brand of hand tools

I don't know why it matters, but you made it a point to point it out. Then people went on to make comments about it being idiotic based on your statement. All without knowing why.
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I was making a comment based on the tools that are in my drawer. And having just recently researched and purchased additional sockets, and organizers, I noticed they were upside down to everything I had seen and came back to the thread to check the picture. I have seen other people post about having a one off socket that was misprinted and since they were the only opposite (is that a better word for you?) set I had seen, I thought it was a mess up. When I checked out the pic and saw they were the same, I just made a post. If you are reading more into it than that, that's on you.
 
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Madjik Man

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Firebrick43 said:
As for 1 out of 15 sets being different, Its not our fault that you don't own socket sets by one of the largest(if not largest) single brand of hand tools

I don't know why it matters, but you made it a point to point it out. Then people went on to make comments about it being idiotic based on your statement. All without knowing why.
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I know why. Nice assumption.

But it’s still idiotic. When 99% of socket rails don’t align with your stamping - and you gear your stamping towards one socket rail, it’s idiotic. If not just elitist - which begets the culture of that brand and enthusiasts.
 
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Madjik Man said:
I know why. Nice assumption.

But it’s still idiotic. When 99% of socket rails don’t align with your stamping - and you gear your stamping towards one socket rail, it’s idiotic. If not just elitist - which begets the culture of that brand and enthusiasts.
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Elitist? As in thinking that Hansen and lay down organizers have only 1 percent of market share because you don’t have them?
 
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Madjik Man said:
Of course we’re both.
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OK, glad we agree. It's just that when you said "The US likes to claim it’s a democratic republic nation. But the reality is we are a capitalistic nation.", it seemed like you were saying that we're not both.
 
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belvedere said:
OK, glad we agree. It's just that when you said "The US likes to claim it’s a democratic republic nation. But the reality is we are a capitalistic nation.", it seemed like you were saying that we're not both.
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For sure poor semantics.
 
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Firebrick43 said:
I don’t recall stating that?

Since your democracy/ capitalism statements are off keel and your 99 percent statistic is completely pulled out of thin air i bid you good day sir!
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Not even close to claiming you said it. I clearly stated “culture of Snap On.” Not aimed a single person let alone you.
 
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pumaman

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I have used the snap on semi deeps 212FSMSY for years. the harbor freight versions have copied the lettering and appearance almost verbatim. how are these harbor freights holding up with time. are they worth $44
 
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Reading back on this thread I feel somewhat responsible for the topic derailment and a bit of trolling which is not my usual style. Though passionate for the North American manufacturing cause there were some generalizations I’d like to correct. @M6erfan you convinced me to do some research. Though the Japanese did indeed start with some copycatting (my decades were wrong - 1950s) there were many positive contributions and improvements to the industry in 70s and 80s (to present) - specifically in the area of quality. Ill aways be a die hard Ford truck man, but was a good exercise to learn a little more about the Japanese auto industry. (y):3gears:
 
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lbhsbz said:
Ever since I acquired semi-deep sockets, it's incredibly rare that I grab anything else (except a swivel).
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Semi deeps, impact swivels and super shallows have taken over the top of my tool cart. The regular shallows and deeps have been relegated to a lower drawer on the cart and may even end up in the main box eventually.
 
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qqzj said:
Do you use genetic drugs? Hopefully not. Those are copied down to molecules
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except they're not always. Read up on it. The more expensive drugs, not NSAIDs, have complex release (timing) mechanisms, and not all generics are able to mimic this feature of the originals. So, there are differences.

Complex pharmaceuticals are, not surprisingly, more difficult to copy than sockets.
 
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Considering the best price I could find on nice used SO semi deeps were almost 4x the cost of the Icons, I pulled the trigger at HF this morning. They look nice but if I am limited to only two sets of SO, I believe I’d have either shallow or deep Icons. I have a feeling I’ll be reaching for semi deep a lot now that I have them in 3/8” dr.

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They have 10-25% randomly, but semi-frequently. Wouldnt be surprised if this weekend they send something out.
 
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Harbor Freight does not seem to be a generous with their discounts and coupons as they were. I get lots of Emails from them, probably because I signed up for their Inside Track promotion.
 
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You are in luck. Over on the Harbor Freight subreddit they said a Memorial Day 25% off sale starts Thursday for Inside Track members. Lots of exclusions but Icon is not among them.
 
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