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Jonah31001

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Hi yall, I have what might seem like a dumb question but I’m not really sure on this. The first time I used the 12mm out of my Icon set, a bunch of the black coating came off. I know that its not much right now but this was after one bolt and the socket was slightly rubbing. Ive never seen this much wear on an impact before, even my Pittsburgh lug sockets look better. The socket is still so new that it has the oily coating on it. Was just wondering if this is normal, if I should warranty it, or if I should sell my sets, and get something else. Ive been looking at some of the USA made Proto impact sockets. Thank you anybody that replies and God Bless!
 

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Not an issue. At worst it might be more prone to surface rust.

As far as I can tell, impact sockets are impact sockets, for the most part. I’d keep using them and save your money for other tools.
 

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Wear it out first then judge whether it was worth it to you. As far as the black flaking off, keep it lightly oiled and itll be fine. I struggle with condensation in my service truck and even my usa made tools will get a little surface rust from time to time. I clean them off and keep using them.
 

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Does look a bit of a suspect finish .
proper decent oxide coating doesn't look quite like what see in those photos and while the oxide will wear off it generally not going get like that after one use !
I would suspect they got some form of paint coating over a very basic thin base oxide treatment .
I pretty much only use taiwan and china impact sockets, they very low per socket costs when buy large sets and I have yet to have issues with oxide finish or the sockets as long as use some QC/selective product choice before buying .
I would be examinimg impact socket stock in HF store to see if all ICON display stock looks same finish and test in store for finish durability, if you set looks be junky get it replaced with the warranty, if the whole range of display stock of ICON impact sockets looks below par finish move on and find a better option and treat the loss as cheap education do more checks/research before parting with $$$$
 

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Wipe it down with an oily rag and ugga dugga away on it. My impacts from years ago when I used them professionally all have a nice patina to them from constant use. As long as it tighten and loosens fasteners this is a non issue. Peeling chrome can cut you, finish wearing off impact sockets gives you street cred. 😂
 
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Does it still work?

If you want an excuse to buy another set, we can back you up on that, no problem. But if that was mine, it would just go back in the drawer with the rest of the set
Pretty much, I can get a full Proto shallow and deep set with 19 sockets each for like $300 ish. I haven't really been a fan of any of the Icon stuff either so I’m trying to phase some of it out.
 

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My old Craftsman USA impact socket have so much wear, there’s barely any black left on the top half of the sockets.

Does it work? If so, keep using it. No sense in wasting a useable tool just because its appearance isn’t what it used to be.
 
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I purchased some real nice looking impacts from harbor freight.

Tore the finish (and metal surface) on one up pretty good first time I used it on a receded rusty truck bed bolt. Got the job done just fine, but now was not as pretty as the rest.

Seemed lame to return it, so now I just live with the imperfect set.

Glad i don’t have expensive ones
 
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Jonah31001

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The socket rubbing on something else while rotating will remove the coating. Is this a surprise? No brand will be immune to this reality.
I understand that, I've just never seen the coating come off that easily and that quick on a socket before.
 

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I understand that, I've just never seen the coating come off that easily and that quick on a socket before.
Exactly the point.
For oxide coating it not the norm for it wear off that quickly or to see bright steel to the extent in your pictures in just first few average uses .
If they all like it and expect they are as the look of that black coating looks suspect to me as in not a proper decent black oxide treatment .
Manganese phosphate coating tends be the better surface coating for impacts but HF ICON are pretty cost driven so lot of the tool choices have issues from lower cost manufacture decisions, they more driven on the stamping font style and design elements being similar to snapon for marketing fluff and making over fancy looking packaging and the better choices of tool design and manufacture options get left out .
Not saying everything ICON is junk as they got some gems but unfortunately it falls short of the marketing claims in a lot of cases thanks to usual HF habits of not being in best manufacturing pool or using smarter tool innovation/design or manufacture techniques as they limited themselves by focusing on copying snapon design style for the easy marketing bluster !
 
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I know from the last response I gave on another subject, that someone will chime in and say I've had my impacts sockets for four hundred years and the coating is still perfect! I have Snap On, MAC and Pittsburgh impact sockets and they ALL have the coating coming off/scratches on them from use. Just lightly lube/oil you metal tools and you'll be fine.
 

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The finish on your socket is a non specific finish we call "black oxide". Its a chemical conversion coating where the outer most layer of the steel is essentially corroded. Black oxide is a cheap, environmentally safe, rust preventative, but its fragile.

New black oxide tools should be oiled, greased, or waxed to preserve their finish. Black oxide typcally has a toothed nature that absorbs and holds oil very well. It's one reason why they apply it to drill bits. Used motor oil is really fine. Vaseline is great for your black oxide tools you don't use everyday. I have spun many impact sockets against an oily rag. If the rag is abrasive, you can remove black oxide like this. But I think a lot of pros do this as a matter of course to keep rust off their impacts. I like to run white crayon into markings to help me read them. Crayon is wax and that helps the finish.
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These are 2 of my most used impact sockets. I bought these probably 30 years ago. The original finish is thin, but with a little maintenance, these still look fine. Actually, looking closely at the picture, I'm shocked these aren't all buggered up. I've used these a lot! But I do tend to work pretty clean. And for many many years I was using either a low powered air gun or my low torque Bosch impact. That could be the reason these are so nice looking.

Black oxide isn't something you can do at home, but there is an adjacent chemical conversion you can use to touch up black oxide called "cold bluing". You can find this in many forms from a liquid to a paste.

Brownell's "Oxpho blue" is popular with firearms enthusaists and works well. To get satisfyingly dark black oxide looking finish, be sure to degrease the tool well. I sometimes use brake clean or soak tools in Castrol Super Clean or Purple Power. I think these are both powerful lye based degreasers. Note that black oxide is a corrosion so Evaporust will remove it (DAMHIKT).
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I used the process outlined below on many or most of these wrenches. Note their oily appearance. That's really what these tools need to look like. They really need oil.

Once degreased, the directions say paint on the cold bluing solution with a q tip. I soak the part in the solution for 10 minutes. Take it out and warm it with a torch or heat gun. Even the flame from a candle will help the chemical reaction and will darken the finish. I think heat makes the finish more tenacious. You don't need to heat it beyond that which is comfortable to hold. 120F is good enough or thereabouts.

You are supposed to rinse the tool with distilled water afterwards. I don't always do that. The finish will continue to darken, deepen as it dries. I always finish with oil. I use whatever is handy, but not WD-40. Use a decently thick oil.

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I wanted decent quality tools for my machine shop. I like Snap On tools and have them in my automotive tool boxes in my garage. My mini machine shop is not close to the garage and I needed SAE tools. The screwdrivers, sockets, extensions etc, were all purchased on eBay in bad cosmetic condition. Black Oxide tools, when corroded and rusty, are not appealing. So I paid maybe 25% of list for much of these tools (not the picks, mini screw drivers or ball ends, they were all bought new).

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They say "I don't want blue" parts etc. Or cold bluing doesn't produce a deep black. These parts are fresh out of the solution and look plenty black to me.

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You can spot several of those bolts in this picture. I think the blued parts look pretty slick. (quill handle is painted, hand wheel is black plastic, but the quill lock, head bolts quill stop hardware were all cold blued.)
 
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Here are a few of my aforementioned impact sockets in various stages of wear.
 

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thanks to usual HF habits of not being in best manufacturing pool or using smarter tool innovation/design or manufacture techniques as they limited themselves by focusing on copying snapon design style for the easy marketing bluster !
Thats probably the biggest things I hate about HF and Icon, the entire line of their pliers are just Snap-on and Knipex knockoffs. For their sockets they copy Snap-on style fonts and they to make them look similar Instead of establishing their own identity and possibly innovating on tools they just sit and wait for Snappy or Knipex to release a product then contract some overseas company in Taiwan to make a copy which makes them just look like a knockoff brand. With their new G2 ratchets coming out they once again copied Snappy, they reduced all their ratchets tooth count from 90 all around to be the same as Snap-on’s at 80 for 3/8 and 1/2, and 72 for 1/4”.
 

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Here are a few of my aforementioned impact sockets in various stages of wear.

Those are what all of mine, that have seen real use, look like.

I try to buy cream puffs at estate sales. I don’t like projects, for the most part. Rusty impact sockets are an exception. I have bought impact sockets that look like they have been underwater for years.

This deep Bonney 1/2” set was covered in rust. I used a wire wheel on the outside and a wire brush, in a drill, on the inside. I sprayed them with Fluid Film and put them in my socket tray. I don’t care about the finish on my impact sockets other than orange living rust. Chrome sockets are another story. I don’t mind wear, but I hate chrome loss and major pitting.IMG_4981.jpeg
 
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Those are what all of mine, that have seen real use, look like.

I try to buy cream puffs at estate sales. I don’t like projects, for the most part. Rusty impact sockets are an exception. I have bought impact sockets that look like they have been underwater for years.

This deep Bonney 1/2” set was covered in rust. I used a wire wheel on the outside and a wire brush, in a drill, on the inside. I sprayed them with Fluid Film and put them in my socket tray. I don’t care about the finish on my impact sockets other than orange living rust. Chrome sockets are another story. I don’t mind wear, but I hate chrome loss and major pitting.IMG_4981.jpeg
That looks like a Barrett Jackson concourse restoration socket.
 

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That looks like a Barrett Jackson concourse restoration socket.

It is from a whole set ( minus the 14mm, which was another brand) of unused or barely used deep 1/2” Bonney sockets in a blue metal trapezoid holder. They were covered in rust. With 10 minutes of work, they looked brand new. Rust on impact sockets is far less problematic than on other tools.

They were in this. I don’t know if this was made by Bonney…IMG_4982.jpeg
 
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Impact socket coatings come off. Don’t worry about it. The black on my Williams/Snap-on impacts don’t look like a standard coating but more like a black patina which easily comes off. I just spray it once every few years with CRC 3-36 or equivalent. Impact sockets usually come oiled. If you hate rust, a nice soak in Evapo-Rust will give you a nice black carbon residue. :) Then make sure you oil them! Again my preference is CRC 3-36.
 
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Thats probably the biggest things I hate about HF and Icon, the entire line of their pliers are just Snap-on and Knipex knockoffs. For their sockets they copy Snap-on style fonts and they to make them look similar Instead of establishing their own identity and possibly innovating on tools they just sit and wait for Snappy or Knipex to release a product then contract some overseas company in Taiwan to make a copy which makes them just look like a knockoff brand. With their new G2 ratchets coming out they once again copied Snappy, they reduced all their ratchets tooth count from 90 all around to be the same as Snap-on’s at 80 for 3/8 and 1/2, and 72 for 1/4”.
You hate their products, yet you buy and use their products.

Then complain about them. :headscrat
 

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I just repeat this post which I think I saw here before. Nobody complains that CVS brand adhesive bandages look like a knockoff of brand name Band-Aid. If the patent is expired, it’s good for the consumer.

Tools designed for a certain task will eventually all look very similar.

I do agree that ICON tries to hard to design everything to look similar to Snap-on. ICON makes good stuff and can stand on its own without making the ratchet head and handle look near-identical to Snap-on.

The internals of the G2 ratchets don’t look anything Iike a Snap-on Dual 80. The Dual 80 is a really really old design and there are designs that are as good or better at doing certain things. It’s all about compromises. Yes the ICON is sealed sealed. Screws are in similar positions. I wish they would have just copied the spring-loaded dual pawls to piss off the Snap-on fanboys. That would have been funny.
 

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If the Dual 80 patents have expired… other companies should be reproducing them.

I have to assume that they have, since they moved on to the next thing.
 

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But Dual 80 might not be the best design. Over two decades have passed and those engineers can come up with alternatives that are cheaper to produce and almost as good .. or better in other aspects.
 
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You hate their products, yet you buy and use their products.

Then complain about them. :headscrat
I bought them to test them and see if I liked them, and I didn't. They were also on sale for like 40% off which was another reason. Ive bought enough Icon stuff to the point where I’m probably not going to buy any more. I did recently buy the 800 Lumen light on sale for like $25 bucks and its actually alright, one of my more favorable Icon things. Many of the things I buy from Icon I get to see if I like and if I don't I just resell them. Lately I’ve just been saving up and buying nicer American made stuff.
 

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I bought them to test them and see if I liked them, and I didn't. They were also on sale for like 40% off which was another reason. Ive bought enough Icon stuff to the point where I’m probably not going to buy any more. I did recently buy the 800 Lumen light on sale for like $25 bucks and its actually alright, one of my more favorable Icon things. Many of the things I buy from Icon I get to see if I like and if I don't I just resell them. Lately I’ve just been saving up and buying nicer American made stuff.
Fair enough

Back to your original question. IMO just keep and use the socket, since functionally, it’s just fine.
 
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