Identifying a few vintage floor jacks

[GreatLakesGuy]

Hey all, trying to find a classic floor jack for personal use, as my 4t Weaver is in use at another location.
Hoping Hiball & other knowledgeable members can share their thoughts, thinking some of these will have recognizable profiles.

-The orange Hein Werner is far smaller than their 4 ton+ jacks too light of duty to be relied on? Maybe it's the size of the cup that is worrying me. I assume it can be rebuilt, didn't find much info on it with a brief search. Maybe all their 2 tons are that small...?

-The blue one on gravel is supposedly a Hein Werner, can't tell much about it, seller says it was used on semi trucks be a relative, who knows.

(Pics for the next 2 are in post 2)
-The blue jack on cement is a claimed 10 tons, has been repainted, I'm not sure of brand, seller isn't either, plans to get me a pic of the logo he can't quite decipher.

"The red one on cement I also don't know the brand of, seller says it's 52" long and seller says the arm (which one?) says “226250," which I'm guessing means nothing.

As for my requirements, a 10t would be excessive and may be unusable, my current one can be trouble when the car I'm driving is smaller.
A 1.5t is lighter than I'd like even if it's ok most of the time. Want another 4, maybe the right 2 would make sense.

 

[GreatLakesGuy]

Also, thoughts on Walker Roll-A-Car models? They seem to be considered quality around here.

Not all my pics posted. Let me add on here..

 

[ShadowRuleZ]

Not sure where you are in Michigan but if it's SE, but I've got a Weaver WA-73 (4 ton) I've been toying with selling just because of how big it is in my small garage. Shoot me a PM if it's something you might be interested in.

 

[GreatLakesGuy]

Thanks Jerry, pm sent.


Still interested in hearing those of you who can visually identify these models, if you can share some of the clues..

 

[paulsomlo]

The orange Hein Werner in the 1st post? Don't even bother - it's not a "real" HW.

In the 2nd post, red one on concrete is probably a Lincoln/Walker, blue one on concrete is probably a Blackhawk, maybe SJ-3 or SJ-4?

 

[ajchien]

I’d be confident that the red Jack post #2 on concrete is a long chassis Walker/Lincoln. I would assume it’s a 4 ton. Not sure what the 226250 means, it might be an individual part number for a particular piece?

The Orange jacks is a “Winner” series Jack, an import rebranded Hein Werner. I’m not personally a fan of the smaller sized jacks.

I am not familiar with the blue jacks. The one on gravel I would doubt is a Hein Werner because it has “made in Brazil” on the yoke handle. The one on concrete was repainted to have the color scheme of a Walker but it is not.

 

[paulsomlo]

Regarding the "made in Brazil" jack: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=355197

And if you do a google search on "Model #ATD7300, Floor Jack 2-1/4 Ton (Made in Brazil)", you'll get a few more hits.

 

[GreatLakesGuy]

The orange Hein Werner in the 1st post? Don't even bother - it's not a "real" HW.

The Orange jack is a “Winner” series Jack, an import rebranded Hein Werner. I’m not personally a fan of the smaller sized jacks.

Thank you both! Yeah, it looks "older" but not the made in America old I'm used to from them, glad to know that looking forward.

Sounds like the red one is probably a Lincoln/Walker, that's what I'd hoped..
Yeah Aj, think it's an individual part number, nothing identifying.

The one on gravel I would doubt is a Hein Werner because it has “made in Brazil” on the yoke handle.

The "Brazil" part is what made me wonder if the the seller was mistaken about it being a H-W, unless it's also an import like the orange one..

And if you do a google search on "Model #ATD7300, Floor Jack 2-1/4 Ton (Made in Brazil)", you'll get a few more hits.

Thanks for that info and reference Paul. I don't know enough about ATD to put them on the same level as any of these classic brands, though it does seem to be rebuildable, so maybe it's not bad.. not what I was after though.

Blue one on concrete is probably a Blackhawk, maybe SJ-3 or SJ-4?

The one on concrete was repainted to have the color scheme of a Walker but it is not.

What details are you both noticing? AJ.. you see it isn't a Walker and Paul, you think it's a blackhawk..
That's one of the great brands, last I heard.. I'd be happy with it. For teaching purposes however.. size/shape of the saddle, body lines.. etc ?

Also, with no labels, where would I look on either of the models on cement to find the capacity? AJ, why assume the red one is a 4 ton, not smaller or larger- unit dimensions?

 

[ajchien]

Sounds like the red one is probably a Lincoln/Walker, that's what I'd hoped..
Yeah Aj, think it's an individual part number, nothing
Also, with no labels, where would I look on either of the models on cement to find the capacity? AJ, why assume the red one is a 4 ton, not smaller or larger- unit dimensions?

I am by no means a jack historian. However, here’s what I see on the red jack: the particular square saddle and the shape of the brace that the casters bolt through as well as overall shape are Walker/Lincoln shapes. The base of the handle yoke is also Walker/Lincoln shaped.

The model / capacity of a walker jack was often stamped on a piece of metal riveted to the bottom of the front of the handle yoke.

In older Walker designs (see this thread: https://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130285) , they had a 2,3, and 4 ton long chassis (model 781, 782, 783, 784, 882, 884). These older ones had some art deco garnish /design on the side walls of the jack. They also had a characteristic “W” on the release knob at the top of the handle and a T-shaped handle with finger grooves. The rear casters were also covered in a “curved” shaped brace. These jacks also had round saddles. These are not your red jack.

Next in time frame ... I’m not sure of what completely differentiates a Walker models J-132/134 vs. a 93655/93657 models that came later. However, the brace for the rear caster changed from the rounded over (in the 78x and 88x models) to the shape you see in your pic. It could be that the orientation of the brace for the rear casters flipped front to back in orientation between the J series and the 93- series (compare: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=167957 to https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349100 )The later Lincoln models going into the SFA Hein Werner changed over to a U shaped bracket. Somewhere along the way, a round saddle gave way to a square saddle. The 3 ton model disappeared from the long chassis design. I honestly don’t know if I can differentiate a 2 ton vs. a 4 ton model. When I first posted above, I thought that the “double side wall” of the jack indicated a 4 ton, but after looking around again I am wrong about the double wall thing (this thread shows a 2 ton with double walls: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349100) ... now I do not think that can be used to differentiate 2 vs, 4 ton. As for differentiating it from a 10 ton, the model 780 and 93658 had triangular shaped skeleton like handle (see: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=445740) , and the more modern 93660 just has a larger/taller “girth/profile” than what I see in your picture (see: https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/walker93660_series_ab.pdf)


That’s about all that come to my mind. if you have an interest in staring at owners manuals and parts diagrams, I can only suggest going here: https://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/walker-lincoln or https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/napa_91655_series_h_floor_jack_2_ton1.pdf

I certainly welcome anyone being able to confirm things, or correct me or add to things I posted above.

 

[paulsomlo]

Regarding the Blackhawk - the large, square saddle and the shape of the caster mounts give it away. I own two Blackhawk SJ-2's, which share similar characteristics. I sometimes use this site for reference: https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/Blackhawk_SJ4-1_Service_Jack_4_Ton.pdf. Based on that drawing, I would be inclined to say it's an SJ-3, 2 ton.

These are some pretty hefty jacks - what are you lifting?

 

[pelletman]

The red one is a Walker and is a great jack, I have a Weaver SA-72 which I probably like better than the Walker, I have both. Weaver is more maneuverable I think. Both are good choices.

 

[GreatLakesGuy]

I am by no means a jack historian. However, here’s what I see on the red jack: the particular square saddle and the shape of the brace that the casters bolt through as well as overall shape are Walker/Lincoln shapes. The base of the handle yoke is also Walker/Lincoln shaped

Wow.. So much good info in that post, thanks! I don't think you're too far from a historian degree.. Going to dig through those links this evening and see if I get any conclusions..

Regarding the Blackhawk - the large, square saddle and the shape of the caster mounts give it away. I own two Blackhawk SJ-2's, which share similar characteristics. https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/Blackhawk_SJ4-1_Service_Jack_4_Ton.pdf. Based on that drawing, I would be inclined to say it's an SJ-3, 2 ton.

These are some pretty hefty jacks - what are you lifting?

Thanks, that makes sense, the saddle was really the only think I picked up on right away, didn't know what brand to attribute that too.

At times it will be lifting a full size van that weights a little under 3.5 tons.
The daily cars are typical weight. Want to avoid needing 2 jacks as well as having a huge one with a profile too large to fit under the car. Probably why a 10 ton won't work, as much as I like the sound of it..

The red one is a Walker and is a great jack, I have a Weaver SA-72 which I probably like better than the Walker, I have both. Weaver is more maneuverable I think. Both are good choices.

Good to hear someone else has the same thought on that... what weight capacity would you give the Walker- 2 tons or 4 ?

 

[sil307]

Can anyone identify the Make and model of this floor jack? And I’m also curious how much it’s worth? I’d like to rebuild it but don’t know where to start with finding the correct seals etc.

Much appreciate any help!

 

[ajchien]

Can anyone identify the Make and model of this floor jack? And I’m also curious how much it’s worth? I’d like to rebuild it but don’t know where to start with finding the correct seals etc.

Much appreciate any help!

The logo looks to be Norco.

Floor Jacks - NORCO Professional Lifting Equipment

 

[sil307]

Thank you

 

[DanHa]

Not a reply, just started and not sure how to get what I need. I have an old blue floor jack, made in Sweden, several numbers stamped on it: FGO, 5066. It has a foot operated lever to release pressure. I currently can't raise. Two balls in the bottom with one spring on top. Files are having trouble loading.

 

[930dreamer]

Not a reply, just started and not sure how to get what I need. I have an old blue floor jack, made in Sweden, several numbers stamped on it: FGO, 5066. It has a foot operated lever to release pressure. I currently can't raise. Two balls in the bottom with one spring on top. Files are having trouble loading.

You might need to post a bit more for the pictures to work as a new member.

 

[A64knuckle]

I’d be confident that the red Jack post #2 on concrete is a long chassis Walker/Lincoln. I would assume it’s a 4 ton. Not sure what the 226250 means, it might be an individual part number for a particular piece?

The Orange jacks is a “Winner” series Jack, an import rebranded Hein Werner. I’m not personally a fan of the smaller sized jacks.

I am not familiar with the blue jacks. The one on gravel I would doubt is a Hein Werner because it has “made in Brazil” on the yoke handle. The one on concrete was repainted to have the color scheme of a Walker but it is not.

I have one that says 226250 on the handle it is a 2 ton