I'm with you on the IPA stuff. I'm from the Pac NW, and it's super trendy to have the highest IBU possible.
My favorite is Mac and Jacks African Amber...only available on tap though.
If Snap on is not over-priced,
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I'm with you on the IPA stuff. I'm from the Pac NW, and it's super trendy to have the highest IBU possible.
My favorite is Mac and Jacks African Amber...only available on tap though.
kythri
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Never too late for a good laugh.
Yeah, it actually is.
Can we get an auto-ban enabled for people that dredge up ancient brand-war threads - like, say, more than 6 months old? There's plenty of new brand-war threads around, and this is now the second resurrection.
Moose97
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Nailed it. Snap On depends on their image and that is how they get new mechanics hooked.
rollscanhardly
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The Funny Part is that some of the Membership is so Hung up on Snap on, There still to this day are quoting posts from 3+ years ago (hell there is one above me that is 5 years). The best part of this Resurrection is the "OP".. "ToolGlutton" He was Early in my GJ time, But based off talks with Other Members he was good at Stirring the Pot and even with him Gone he still gets the Job done.
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jomobco
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And I would bet they aren't selling to students at their cost. They're making money on those sales. Lifetime warranty takes margin.
Ign
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I realize the thread is old/resurrected, but who cares how SnapOn chooses to price or sell their products? Maybe they are losing money at 50% off, the point is to instill brand loyalty early. Ethically you can debate it all you want, but it's a good marketing idea for SnapOn.
Purina does this HEAVILY with vet schools. GM and Toyota give NEW vehicles to tech schools to take apart and put back together (which, sadly, must be destroyed after being returned to the manufacturer). Kennametal did it when I was in machining school, and I gotta say, I love Kennametal tooling if I have a machine that can truly take advantage of it. Kennametal also provided us with the sharpest damn engineer I've ever known (shout out to Jai Prassad!!!) who was a wealth of info on all problems relating to feed/speed/chatter/tooling/machining in general - - you name it. A great resource!!
Purina does this HEAVILY with vet schools. GM and Toyota give NEW vehicles to tech schools to take apart and put back together (which, sadly, must be destroyed after being returned to the manufacturer). Kennametal did it when I was in machining school, and I gotta say, I love Kennametal tooling if I have a machine that can truly take advantage of it. Kennametal also provided us with the sharpest damn engineer I've ever known (shout out to Jai Prassad!!!) who was a wealth of info on all problems relating to feed/speed/chatter/tooling/machining in general - - you name it. A great resource!!
Lol 50% the truck that drives hear takes gas the guy that drives the truck needs paid and he works a lot of hours. The tools get warrentied sometimes more than once sometimes never. The website can't have lower pricing because it would compete with the tool trucks.
That mark up covers a lot of bases. Use your head guys it's not just a tool going from a seller to a guy and the seller gets all the money with no cost to him.
That mark up covers a lot of bases. Use your head guys it's not just a tool going from a seller to a guy and the seller gets all the money with no cost to him.
carterbeauford
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I noticed a few things on my wishlist seem to increase in price every time I look at it. are they just making up numbers for list prices?
http://store.snapon.com/12-Point-inches-chrome-Set-General-Service-12-Point-35-pcs--P632647.aspx
the price of this 3/4 service set is equal to about everything on my wish list.
http://store.snapon.com/12-Point-inches-chrome-Set-General-Service-12-Point-35-pcs--P632647.aspx
the price of this 3/4 service set is equal to about everything on my wish list.
dfreeman616
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How much mark up do you thing there is on harbor freight stuff? yes, it is cheap, but there are may reasons for that: cost of labor in china vs us, price of raw materials, research and development, etc. i wouldn't be surprised at all if harbor freight has similar or even higher margins.
balane
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The 5 year old thread that will not die.
BearCuda
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At least you can have quality tools for life after purchasing them in the student program. Unlike all of the crazily over priced books that students have to purchase that they will use only once. Sure you can sell the books back, at a fraction of what you paid for them.
carterbeauford
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$3542 for a socket set is bordering on asinine.
So don't buy it.
That's not SO's fault
You can't fix stupid... I'm buying tools and paying for school in cash (I work full time) and I don't owe anyone a dime. Why is everyone so upset that SO has to turn a profit (The same as every other business)?
That's not SO's fault
Why is everyone so upset that SO has to turn a profit (The same as every other business)?
You are quoting a statement posted in 2008
jeffws
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Snap on makes quality stuff - I dont mind paying for it........
If you are happy with HF stuff thats cool too....
If you are happy with HF stuff thats cool too....
I didn't even look... oopsLookin4'67Galaxieconv
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The thing is with most of their stuff you buy it for life. Most tools do not even lose value over the years. When you can buy something made well and have it replaced for free for the next 50 years or so IMO that is worth every penny. Yes it is expensive to buy SO stuff and most, not all, but most is worth it. The ease of warranty is #1. Heck today I warrantied a set of vise grips that I striped the teeth out on. Was it abuse? Probably. There were no questions asked, Its usually not that easy to get anything replaced under warranty anywhere else. No one is forcing you to buy it, if others want to let them. And as to the 50% discount for students who says the markup is that high. Perhaps at that they loose a little. For instance when Xbox 360s and PS3s came out every single unit sold was sold for less than they had in them. They took a small loss on the initial console knowing full well that 95% of people would buy tons of games and they make their money there. I would bet the tool trucks run on the same principal when doing student discounts. Snap on is not the only one to offer this discount, when I went to tech school you could get the same deal through SK, Mac, Snap On, even NAPA. They know if they get you started you will more than likely return to buy more. Take a small loss selling a tech a starter set of tools and he will probably buy from you for 20 years or more. Just my 2 cents and strictly my opinion, take it for what its worth.
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nicksnothereman
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I'm sure there's at least one guy on here that spends that much yearly on conditioner for his mullet.
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kythri
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Plus, you are limited to only one of everything Snap-on chooses to allow you to get 50% off on. They don't give you the 50% off on every tool they own or sometimes not even much ie. diagnostics.
85camaro
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Student tools are not warrantied for life. That's why they can sell them at 50% off. Now we can put this 6 year old thread to bed.
aside from the stupid thread topic about how people spend their money.
how can this possibly be true? a student can buy whatever they want, and it's not a trackable item. they don't get sold something that is stamped "student" on it.... how does it not carry the snapon warranty?
Banjorear
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Just because you can wrench, doesn't mean you are good businessman. One of the most important rules when starting a business, only buy what you can afford or what you can afford to pay.
Simple math is all that's needed.
carterbeauford
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it was late, poor choice of words
I still stand by my theory that they just make up numbers for retail prices.
Who the hell dug up an old ToolGlutton thread?
How do you get banned from this site?
That is kind of interesting. How much better is it than this?
http://www.grainger.com/product/PROTO-Socket-Set-6A540
Which is a helluva lot of money also, but at full-tilt retail is still 2/5 the price or so.
...plus, brands like that are discountable:
http://www.toolup.com/proto_j55104_34-drive-29-pc-socket-set-12-point.aspx
Maybe those larger sized Snap-on sets aren't marketed at individuals but at companies instead. They'd probably have their own price sheets anyhow, but in my experience big corporations can be a lot less price sensitive on tools and instruments.
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Highlux
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There are always those who will justify there exspensive purchases with the cry of quality or craftsmanship. They will sing from the rooftops about how justifiable thier purchases are.
I'll make my stand now. Snap On is overpriced. Snap on preys upon shops and students to get a hook in them. Free tool credit plans....etc....its like the buy here pay here version of tools. Here take this 100 Ratchet...you can give me 20 a week on it.
I may not make friends with what I say...but I doubt anyone here is coming to dinner anytime soon. I personally think snap on is a huge ripoff with a clever marketing plan to take advantage of students and techs. Like a crack dealer that delivers and will front to you.
I'll make my stand now. Snap On is overpriced. Snap on preys upon shops and students to get a hook in them. Free tool credit plans....etc....its like the buy here pay here version of tools. Here take this 100 Ratchet...you can give me 20 a week on it.
I may not make friends with what I say...but I doubt anyone here is coming to dinner anytime soon. I personally think snap on is a huge ripoff with a clever marketing plan to take advantage of students and techs. Like a crack dealer that delivers and will front to you.
I have yet to see anyone being dragged on to the truck and being forced to purchase tools and having a gun held to their head to sign up for credit. At some point people are responsible for their own decisions. I believe that point is their 18th birthday.
Highlux
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Coming from a guy with name creditor....I bet you have a Snap On truck dont you? lol.
warmpancakes
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Nobody forces you to buy snap on,Nobody forces people to buy A cadillac when a yaris does the same job, its called choice some people choose to buy snap on some people choose to buy harbor freight. Its what makes this country great you can choose to buy what you want.
Hpozzuoli
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I don't find the actual tools that over priced. When you consider the warranty and then the quality of the tool what can really compare. How many times have we read off brand wrenches splitting or brand x sockets rounding off stuff. Granted it could happen with snap on, but just warranty it if doesn't work right. Show your your rep the issue. You get a salesman right at your door most any time you need him/her. When they come to your door they represent that tool and the name behind it. Can't remember the last time the sears guy or Home Depot guy came by to check on me and see what it is I do.
Now the boxes on the other hand are so over priced. 10k for a metal box is the best con job a company could pull off.
Now the boxes on the other hand are so over priced. 10k for a metal box is the best con job a company could pull off.
Rental houses and several other businesses. Typical Alinsky response, don't like the message, try to discredit the messenger.
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