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I juat found out they will no longer warranty my Torx socket set that I purchased under the lifetime warranty ( I know lifetime doesn't mean forever ). They also said the part was sold with one year warranty. This was quoted directly from the Snap-On warranty center rep and his manager. I know for sure I got the Torx bits from them before. I'm going to switch to Bondhus.

Part Number: FTX27A, FTX45A and FTX500

Anyone having the same issue when swapping these out?
 
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No sence in paying top dollar for something warranty for a year. Sometimes other brands that are less expensive are better.
 

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Those PNs appear to be really old, they are on E now and you are talking A, curious as to when you bought them?
 
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This was direct warranty dept. from Snap-On. I no longer work at a dealer so I get all my warranty replacement directly from Snap-On.

This Torx set are pretty old and some of them were replaced by Snap-On warranty with E


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I think I got these 15 years ago. I'm pretty sure the truck snap-on dealer said these were lifetime warranty.


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Those are the low grade SO ones. Probably would've had better luck with the higher quality ones.
 

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Try calling again tomorrow. They're probably tell you to send them in... Or you can email them like I do. It's easier to relay all the important information as you aren't trying to think on the spot.
 

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This is a very worrisome development. Fortunately you can buy USA made Lisle for 20% of the price and they are happy to swap out broken ones.
 

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I think I got these 15 years ago. I'm pretty sure the truck snap-on dealer said these were lifetime warranty.

I'm pretty sure this story doesn't add up. which is probably the same reacton the warranty people had. so I would put this down as user error, unfortunately.

:dunno:
 

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I blow up a t55 monthly and have never had an issue with having snap on warranty it. Sounds like there's more to this story.
 

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Try flagging down a driver

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Something about this smells...you're the original owner and bought from a snap on dealer (tool truck) and they won't warranty it? Maybe the hex bits really aren't lifetime warranty :dunno:
 
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I have a set of Snap-on Torx sockets. You better believe when the time comes to get the bits changed out, they will be changing the bits out.
 

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This is a very worrisome development. Fortunately you can buy USA made Lisle for 20% of the price and they are happy to swap out broken ones.

I had an experience with Lisle and T55 head bolts. Bought the Lisle because easy to get at the local automotive store. Took one head bolt out, then broke. I warranteed it, and it broke. Repeat to the total of 5 times. Called my Snap-on guy and he was in town so he dropped one off on Saturday. Finished the job, no problems.

Sold me on the Snap-on vs. Lisle question!
 

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I've never heard of anything snapon having less that lifetime warranty and you are surly not the only person out there with old snap on tools needing warranty. I've had sockets replaced that were from the 70's under warranty and when my fl936 needs a rebuild I expect it to be covered.
 

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Not every Snap-on product carries a lifetime warranty. You need to know the products warranty code which is not typically published but is available from a Snap-on franchisee or representative.

From the Snap-on warranty:
"Snap-on Logistics Company, or it's assigns, ("Snap-on") warrants to customers who purchase products from authorized Snap-on distribution channels that Snap-on brand products and Blue-Point brand products will be free from defects in workmanship and materials for a duration described in each product's warranty code. The warranty duration depends on the nature of the product. Prior to a product purchase, or if the product information for purchased product does not include a warranty code with the applicable duration, customer can obtain the product warranty code and warranty duration from a Snap-on franchisee or representative.

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During the applicable duration of the warranty, at it's option, Snap-on will repair or replace it's products which fail to give satisfactory service due to defective workmanship or materials or provide a refund by repaying or crediting customer with an amount equal to the purchase price of such products."

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Having provided this information from the Snap-on catalog, I realize that many times a Snap-on franchisee or customer service will replace products with no questions asked. I do not wish to get into a debate about warranties or Snap-on policy, I'm just providing information from the Snap-on catalog.
 

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They are a lifetime warranty. Perhaps because you are doing them through the corporate channel you got flagged for high warranties? How many have you needed to warranty?

There is more to the story for sure. Maybe you should look into the harder gold bits if you go through them a lot.

And the Lisle's are so soft in the smaller sizes they are useless.
 

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When it comes to Torx sockets, my buddy swears by MAC. You need a long T40 to do the thermostat on the Volvo 5 cyl, he's done hundreds. He needs a new one every couple of years.
 

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When it comes to Torx sockets, my buddy swears by MAC. You need a long T40 to do the thermostat on the Volvo 5 cyl, he's done hundreds. He needs a new one every couple of years.

MAC and Cornwell are the same as VIM S2 steel. MAC only make the most basic style bit sockets in the USA, the long, stubbies, universals, big master sets etc.. are not made by them and are contracted out to Taiwan. Good quality though.

Snap-On use to be made by Zephyr but a few years ago they lost the logo and started getting Snap-On date codes so they may be made in house. Apex is another alternative.

Without a warranty Snap-On bit sockets become a joke. Last time i checked they want $10 a pop for a bit that probably costs them about 50 cents. Working on Euro cars you'll go broke dealing with that.
 
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Something about this smells...you're the original owner and bought from a snap on dealer (tool truck) and they won't warranty it? Maybe the hex bits really aren't lifetime warranty :dunno:

Like I said I don't work at a dealer anymore so I calling Snap-On direct to get warranty swap outs. They did swap out these below.

They warranty these below:

FTX40TPE
TTX25C
TTX20B
TTX8

They said the FTX500,FTX27A, and FTX45A were all sold with a 1 year warranty and these were discounted in 1997. I I swapped out similar sockets in the same set just one year ago. I even asked for a manager too. She said this product part number is discontinue and is no longer under warranty.


When it comes to Torx sockets, my buddy swears by MAC. You need a long T40 to do the thermostat on the Volvo 5 cyl, he's done hundreds. He needs a new one every couple of years.

I'll give Mac a try but I have had get success using Bondhus Allen and Torx set. The Allen set was cheaper than my Snap-On set and stronger. I'm going to write a letter to their corporate warranty dept.
 
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Like I said I don't work at a dealer anymore so I calling Snap-On direct to get warranty swap outs. They did swap out these below.

They warranty these below:

FTX40TPE
TTX25C
TTX20B
TTX8

They said the FTX500,FTX27A, and FTX45A were all sold with a 1 year warranty and these were discounted in 1997. I I swapped out similar sockets in the same set just one year ago. I even asked for a manager too. She said this product part number is discontinue and is no longer under warranty.

Call again tomorrow. The CSR department at Snap-On is a revolving door of employees being low in pay and having nowhere to advance to. Depending on who you talk to you can get 4 different answers from 4 different people in the same day. One person will tell you there is no warranty on a screwdriver shank and the next person will happily mail you 8 replacement combo wrenches without question. Its all random.
 

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I have never had issues warrantee bits of hex torx or triple square but regularly served by dealer

Vim makes Cornwell bits I know
 

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This is an unfortunate case, but the snap on guys are right here.

The OP did not buy the parts at the time or the manner he claimed, and they basically were able to determine this with elementary fact checking.

I agree that OP should replace them with VIM if looking for bang for the buck.

New snap on bits also are not backwards compatible, so I think the whole story here is unfortunately a bit twisted (no pun intended). OP not trying to be harsh or judgemental here its just a realistic assessment of the situation.

You did not convince the parts counter guys you bought parts off the truck, as by you're own admission 15 years ago was 2001 and its just not realistic to ask anyone to believe this story, as even the latest bits (and they are all mixed up) were not sold according to the reps in that channel at that time.
 
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I have never had issues warrantee bits of hex torx or triple square but regularly served by dealer

Vim makes Cornwell bits I know



Oh when I say dealer I mean a car dealership. I no longer work in the automotive industry and don't have access to the truck franchise. I beer sold my tools and I just use them at the house when I repair stuff. Occasionally a tool breaks here and there. I call up the direct warranty dept. at snap on and get my tops swapped out by mail exchange.

This is an unfortunate case, but the snap on guys are right here.

The OP did not buy the parts at the time or the manner he claimed, and they basically were able to determine this with elementary fact checking.

I agree that OP should replace them with VIM if looking for bang for the buck.

New snap on bits also are not backwards compatible, so I think the whole story here is unfortunately a bit twisted (no pun intended). OP not trying to be harsh or judgemental here its just a realistic assessment of the situation.

You did not convince the parts counter guys you bought parts off the truck, as by you're own admission 15 years ago was 2001 and its just not realistic to ask anyone to believe this story, as even the latest bits (and they are all mixed up) were not sold according to the reps in that channel at that time.



As far I can remember Torx bit sockets were always sold under lifetime warranty. I also question the manager about the new one with the part number ending E. She 1st said is the bit damage or the whole socket and bit. Than she correct her self and said sorry we have to replace the whole unit. I didn't have time to argue with them today but I'm going to call them back since I found my other rma numbers from the last 4 years. So they are definitely wrong about them not being warranty. Sometime they have sent me bits and other they swap the entire unit to the new one ending in E.
 
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They said the FTX500,FTX27A, and FTX45A were all sold with a 1 year warranty and these were discounted in 1997. I I swapped out similar sockets in the same set just one year ago. I even asked for a manager too. She said this product part number is discontinue and is no longer under warranty.

The FTX500 WAS discontinued.

Its a GM T-47 used for door strikers and seat belts.
It was an early use of torx plus. If you look at it close, you will see the splines are flat.
Many people just used a T-50, but it didnt fit well.

It was replaced with FTX47E:

https://store.snapon.com/TORX-174-Special-Application-chrome-3-8-quot--Socket-Driver-TORX-GM-Style-T47-P636916.aspx

Or perhaps you can ask for the insert bit only:

https://store.snapon.com/TORX-174-Special-Application-chrome-3-8-quot--Bit-TORX-reg-GM-Style-T47-P651645.aspx
 
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The FTX500 WAS discontinued.



Its a GM T-47 used for door strikers and seat belts.

It was an early use of torx plus. If you look at it close, you will see the splines are flat.

Many people just used a T-50, but it didnt fit well.



It was replaced with FTX47E:



https://store.snapon.com/TORX-174-S...-Socket-Driver-TORX-GM-Style-T47-P636916.aspx



Or perhaps you can ask for the insert bit only:



https://store.snapon.com/TORX-174-S...-quot--Bit-TORX-reg-GM-Style-T47-P651645.aspx



Thanks for the tip


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Thanks for the tip

Its possible the CSR's you talked to are fairly new and werent aware of this change.
Try asking for a FTX47 substitution.

They should have warrantied the 27 and 45, IMO.
(FYI, The A series appeared around 1978.)

Snap-on did offer a one year warranty on their "Good as Gold" items.
This covered meters and pneumatic tools, etc.
But ive never seen this applied to the standard torx bit sockets.
 

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My SO dealer sold used torx bits and claimed they had a lifetime warranty still. He would warranty them for you no problem, don't know if the company approved of it but he did it.

As to the Lisle torx bits, I need to clarify. The one piece bits that are so cheap that they are only sold in sets, yes, those are garbage. Lisle now has a line of "super" two piece torx bits that don't cost much more and work great. I got a set for my portable kit and am very happy with them, so far they are holding up at least as well as my Mac and S-K bits in the garage.
 

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As far I can remember Torx bit sockets were always sold under lifetime warranty. I also question the manager about the new one with the part number ending E. She 1st said is the bit damage or the whole socket and bit. Than she correct her self and said sorry we have to replace the whole unit.

As far I can remember Torx bit sockets were always sold under lifetime warranty. I also question the manager about the new one with the part number ending E. She 1st said is the bit damage or the whole socket and bit. Than she correct her self and said sorry we have to replace the whole unit.

Lifetime warranty for orignal owners, althoug truck guys are good about taking stuff from people in the industry. The retail sales reps are trained not to warranty garage sale stuff, which is what this looks like to them. Wether or not that is true, that is what they are lookin at here.

1) guys comes in parts claimed bought in year x, but were not made fo at least 20 years prior to year x. this will raise eyebrows.

2) guys claims he worked in indusrty for Z years, but sockets were perdect for all of that hard insustry use, with no issues. But now they all fail together in a big group. this will raise eyebrows.

3) the parts are not possible to fix with simple swap outs, you need entire new replacement pieces, which is $100+ of parts...etc. This again is a red flag, because when in combination with (1) and (2) it starts to look like behaviour they don't want to incentivise.

Again, wether or not the facts are exactly these, this is how a reasonable person is starting to see the big picture, if they are in the business and trained to do basic checking, for honesty/integrity etc.

If you are honest with them they usually are pretty good, but even if it was by mistake a small error, they are having a hard time to put together all of the facts here in your favour.

So its not fair to **** on the company here.

That's why this thread is kind of un-cool.

The flip side is these are expensive flippin sockets and when you buy them you want to get good value and be treated with respect, not like a sucker who is throwing money away. Totally get that angle as well. But it is a very difficult problems given the issues involved here. Because even if you want to buy the $10/per replaceent bits you are kind of screwed on the earlier stuff, so its a bit swing who pays for that.

Good luck, hopefully it will be sorted out.
 

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I don't care if you're the 10th owner of 40 year old sockets, for the price Snap On charges they should warranty them imo. I'd be surprised if there is less than a 1000% mark up on these things. I love many Snap On products, and their warranty has always been good to me, but honestly having the warranty only officially apply to the original purchaser is kind of BS at their prices. Unfortunately, the products are great so we just have to deal with the warranty and hope that they take care of us if we can't find the receipt 20 years down the road.
 

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but honestly having the warranty only officially apply to the original purchaser is kind of BS at their prices.

I agree with you on this point. BUT Snap-On can run their business however they want.

New Harbor Freight > Used Snap-On. Hard to argue otherwise. This coming from a "pro-American" consumer with about 3 HF items in my garage.
 
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