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Both great points!

Just like medicine today is about treatments, not cures (what was the last thing that was actually "cured"? Rabies?)
No one wants to sell just one single "durable good",
so we have fragile equipment sold as "new and improved".

Failure isn't a problem,
it's a Feature! :(

As far as free trade goes,
if you have a country that can act like the worlds largest corporation,
spreading subsidies to whichever market it wishes to conquer,
you can not have free trade on any level.
I guess this raises a question. Would you prefer China, or America, be that country?
 
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Hmm, pork but didn't china buy the largest pork producer in the US a couple years back?


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Tariffs are just another junk tax on the backs of consumers. Many, like me, will choose not to participate and sales will drop. Tariffs are most effective when threatened and rattled about but quickly forgotten when the political demand is met. Actually levying one is as dumb as can be.
 
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Free trade is something that only exists in economics classrooms. Economics especially at the low level is taught almost entirely from principle and theory. .

We have never had the "free trade" that economists speak of with anyone. There are "free trade agreements" that outline the restrictions and tariffs, set limits boundaries, duties, regulations etc etc.

I want to return to the days of heavy duty, serviceable, rebuildable products that you bought once in a lifetime. Not saying this is exactly how we get there, but the "free trade" import everything mentality is not helping.

I have a working 1939 General Electric Refrigerator. Show me a 2018 Refrigerator running in 2097. I strongly doubt it.

I agree with this in its entirety.
Trump seems to like picking fights to focus peoples attention on various inequities, then often drops it once he's got your attention. China has been "dumping" goods here for years and severely restricts imports & foreign ownership on Chinese soil. But when WE retaliate in a small way (talking less than 5%), then WE are the bad guys? I don't think so.

My hope is this little trade skirmish will result in either: equal offsetting tariffs that don't have much affect (what we have right now) OR --better-- China removes the MANY tariffs on our exports and creates some semblance of a level playing field. Might not be "free trade" by textbook definition but it's better than what we've had for the past 30 years.
 

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I have a working 1939 General Electric Refrigerator. Show me a 2018 Refrigerator running in 2097. I strongly doubt it.

Show me your electric bill, and let me know how often you have to defrost your ice box. I’ll pass on an almost 80 year old refrigerator.
 

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Who else, saw this coming?

the Chinese are no longer The 16th century hayseeds, they were in 1972.

Not only is the price of Harbor freight tools going to go up, the price of everything is going to go upregardless of where it's made, or where the steel came from.

Oh well. It's all good. We'll All get pay raises, to cover the difference.


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You guys are completely missing the point of this thread.

Today, the US government published a list of some 1900 items we import from China and use every day that our government plans to levy an import tax on.

Among those things are angle grinders, welders, hydraulic presses, and 1897 more items.

How is a 25% import tax on these items going to affect companies like HF.

If the tax is passed on to the consumer (that’s us) will you willingly pay 25% more for your next Milwaukee angle grinder, made in China, or will you change brands?
 
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Show me your electric bill, and let me know how often you have to defrost your ice box. I’ll pass on an almost 80 year old refrigerator.

There's something to be said about advancements no doubt, but I believe the crux he was leading to is that we used to build things that lasted, and could be serviced easily. My father in law had a fridge that was purchased by him, new in 1966, and was still running when he passed away in 2015. Compare that to me and my wife on our 3rd refrigerator in 26 years.
 

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The problem with sorting this all out is that there are no doubt all kinds of deals being worked in the background with trade of all kinds for various motives of which the general public has no knowledge. If we did, we'd likely say, "Oh....so THAT'S why we're doing it like this!"

I'm confident that when our Pres says something critical of, let's say Putin in a speech, our diplomats call their diplomats and say, "Hey, we have to say such-and-such a thing in this upcoming press conference because of such-and-such a reason or for such-and-such a group." Then the other side replies, "OK, thanks for letting us know. Now you know we're going to have to say such-and-such and thing in retort because of such-and-such a reason." Yes, we understand." "OK?" "OK." It's all been hashed out before we ever hear it.

Before the era of substantially taxing your own citizens picked up steam in the early 20th century, this country's operating revenue was derived primarily from tariffs.

I believe the USA is still the largest consumer of imports in the world. That's a lot of power. China can't simply sell their goods to someone else as compensation. First, they're probably already doing that. Second, none of these other countries combined could make up for the revenue coming from the USA. Look, our people know this and have researched all this.

A lot of this has to do with the production of wealth, which I've written about at length on other threads. If the USA wants to produce real wealth (not just print Federal Reserve Notes), it has to harness and develop products on its own soil--it has to manufacture. But you can't do this against a competitor who pays labor like $5 a month and has government assistance with things like materials and machinery. Tariffs are the only way to help level what is now a hopelessly lopsided trade environment. Whatever you think of Trump, he is indeed one of the most knowledgeable persons with regard to business and trade who ever held the office. He knows what the dealings are behind the scenes.

Yes, and things might change at the store. Some things we may have to go back to the old mentality of buying quality as an investment and caring for it instead of throwing everything away. We may only own ten pairs of shoes instead of 25. We may not be able to walk into HF and by complete wrench sets for stupid low money. We may have to revert back on some level to the old traditional USA consumer mentality. That may not be such a bad thing. Maybe we'll have to give things more thought when we buy. Remember, it was the American consumer responding to the flooding of cheap Asian imports with, "Yeah! Yeah! Gimme! Gimme! More! More!" that devastated the American mfrs starting in the late 1950s and reaching huge proportions by the late 1960s.

Sure, some US producers will be harmed. But wait....where have you been? Hasn't that already happened in spades? China has been kicking USA producers' butts and wiping the floor with them for decades. Maybe it's time Uncle Sucker fought back a little.

This^^^^^^:beer:
 

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Just was watching Motor Week. The mid size Buick SUV is made in.......drum roll please. CHINA!! That is the first that I know of but it probably won't be the last.
This is what they bailed GM out for?

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I remember reading a few years back that China was one of the biggest reasons the Pontiac brand was killed off. Apparently the Chinese love them some Buick.
 

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You guys are completely missing the point of this thread.

Today, the US government published a list of some 1900 items we import from China and use every day that our government plans to levy an import tax on.

Among those things are angle grinders, welders, hydraulic presses, and 1897 more items.

How is a 25% import tax on these items going to affect companies like HF.

If the tax is passed on to the consumer (that’s us) will you willingly pay 25% more for your next Milwaukee angle grinder, made in China, or will you change brands?

What if the global materials used in a "Made in USA" angle grinder come from China? Will the price also be affected?
 
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China's government backed companies have been buying up USA companies, land and resources..

The price of HF tools going to go up? Don't worry; Maybe Eric will sell the joint to Mother China and eliminate himself as a middleman.

China could afford to run HF at a low profit, and continue to capture more of the market; even with a tariff.. Do it long enough, they stand a chance to bankrupt more of the competition, then buy them outl

China have a goal? I will reserve My opinion on that one.
 
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The way things have been going the last couple of decades the next global showdown is going to be between the US and China. It could be anywhere from a limpwristed hand over like when we surpassed the British or it could be like the cold war or it could even be large scale combat. China's ascent into the ring is being funded by their trade surplus to rich nations like the US and those in western europe.

I love buying domestic stuff but there's pleanty of stuff a rich nation shouldn't be wasting its resources to make so we're much better off to import the chintzy junk we all buy. But that stuff doesn't have to come from our main antagonist in the world, China. We have pleanty of low cost friends especially in asia that we could source stuff from, possibly for less money.

I think it's a big opportunity for the other contries in asia to get started exporting angle grinders or fireworks or phones or tool boxes or whatever else makes sense for us to import. Personally I just ditched apple and got a samsung because it was made in Vietnam and not China.
 

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There's something to be said about advancements no doubt, but I believe the crux he was leading to is that we used to build things that lasted, and could be serviced easily. My father in law had a fridge that was purchased by him, new in 1966, and was still running when he passed away in 2015. Compare that to me and my wife on our 3rd refrigerator in 26 years.

And while I understand your premise, the world moves at a much quicker pace, exponentially so actually. There's lots of examples of things that were "made to last", that are obsolete. I have my grandfathers Mall drill, it still works. It's a single speed all metal drill and I am pretty sure it could do some serious damage if it ever bound up. Additionally, it's all metal and you could easily use it to knock out a prize fighter. It's heavy. It's also pointless when you pick up a new Milwaukee 20v brushless drill that will do the exact same thing with 1/4 the effort.

How about rotary phones? Tube televisions? VCR's as a more recent example? Think about this, when I was 10, I had a Commodore 64 and it was awesome. Now I carry a computer in my pocket that can be a rocket ship in comparison! Do I really care if my iPhone is still working in 10 years? No. Even look at gas stoves. Yep, they'll likely be around a very long time, but look at all the new features and the dual fuel ovens (gas burners, electric ovens), or even the induction cooktops (try one if you haven't). Point being, just look back to 1988 and see how far we've come to see how much made then just doesn't even apply today. Did it really need to last?
 
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Whats wrong with taking the first step to leveling the playing field? An annual ~$350B trade imbalance is unsustainable. How else do you deal with a country that has little regard for the environment, the treatment of its workers, and keeps its currency artificially low?

As the graph above shows, the USA is getting the short end of the stick in nearly every major category.
 

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You guys are completely missing the point of this thread.

Today, the US government published a list of some 1900 items we import from China and use every day that our government plans to levy an import tax on.

Among those things are angle grinders, welders, hydraulic presses, and 1897 more items.

How is a 25% import tax on these items going to affect companies like HF.

If the tax is passed on to the consumer (that’s us) will you willingly pay 25% more for your next Milwaukee angle grinder, made in China, or will you change brands?



I guess it would depend on the price, like I said it earlier post the price of everything's going to go up so it's really not going to matter. imo

You don't think American companies are going to take advantage of this if they can?

Everyone will jack up their prices and blame Tarrifswhether it affected them over or not.

I would

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I guess it would depend on the price, like I said it earlier post the price of everything's going to go up so it's really not going to matter. imo

You don't think American companies are going to take advantage of this if they can?

Everyone will jack up their prices and blame Tarrifswhether it affected them over or not.

I would

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Whats wrong with taking the first step to leveling the playing field? An annual ~$350B trade imbalance is unsustainable. How else do you deal with a country that has little regard for the environment, the treatment of its workers, and keeps its currency artificially low?

As the graph above shows, the USA is getting the short end of the stick in nearly every major category.



We did take the first step and the way it looks is chances are good just gonna come back and bite us.

One part of your graph it's missing is the value to lower paid Americans Who save money by purchasing imported goods.

For me personally it's about $20,000, on tools alone.


Will teach the Chinese a lessen my running our own economy back into recession


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We did take the first step and the way it looks is chances are good just gonna come back and bite us.

One part of your graph it's missing is the value to lower paid Americans Who save money by purchasing imported goods.

For me personally it's about $20,000, on tools alone.


Will teach the Chinese a lessen my running our own economy back into recession


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At some point there will be no customers for your goods or services, as they will all be out of a job. Then you can polish your bargain price tools. Saying that we will anger the countries being hit with the tarrifs is like saying there is no solution to getting screwed and we should just let the economy go into terminal decline. You cannot sustain a trade imbalance forever and keep borrowing money. Aside from craving cheap tools, what is your solution to the problem of unsustainable debt, lost jobs and lost industry? Somebody has to put on the big boy pants and try to fix it.

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