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madosta

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What's the advantage over a porcelain base? Seems a lot pricier than just a base. If you're crushing bulbs that often, you have a different problem.
 
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Yeah I have to admit I kind of fell for the look of them. They just scream submarine to me, I have visions of acting out 1000 leagues under the sea in the back room of my garage. I also like the idea of not having to worry about smashing the bulb (the ceiling is low) especially with flammable stuff often around. They are stupid expensive though, I agree.
 

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Those are vapor tight fixtures, used in walk-ins, commercial kitchen hoods & other places.


If the fixture is marked "not for use in dwellings" then it is a violation of NEC art. 110.3(B) to do so contrary to manufacturers instructions & the listing of the listing.

110.3(B)

(B) Installation and Use. Listed or labeled equipment
shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions
included in the listing or labeling.
 

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If you just like the look, search further. I found some wall-mount lights with the same kind of cage, but it's all plastic. Listed for home use. --the first time I came across the "explosion proof" rating, I thought it meant able to survive an explosion. Tough stuff! I thought.
I can't imagine an inspector would fail that - would be like installing Plenum rated cable in a non-plenum area. You're allowed to use cable with ratings that exceed what's necessary.
 

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If you hit up a salvage yard, you may find solid brass examples. Very cool.
 

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If you hit up a salvage yard, you may find solid brass examples. Very cool.


My front porch light is a solid brass caged fixture. Garage sale find many moons ago. I don't even want to know what it would cost to replace.:shocking:
 

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Yeah I have to admit I kind of fell for the look of them. They just scream submarine to me, I have visions of acting out 1000 leagues under the sea in the back room of my garage. I also like the idea of not having to worry about smashing the bulb (the ceiling is low) especially with flammable stuff often around. They are stupid expensive though, I agree.

Captain Nemo, If you happen to come across a cheaper, "interior", caged, bulkhead style light like that, be sure to report back. I also have a fascination with nautical nonsense. :lol_hitti
 

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If one looks around, the long time manufacturers of vapor tight fixtures, Appleton, Crouse-Hinds, & Killark, can be found & most likely without the "not for use in dwellings" limitations, of the 3, I like Killark ,now part of Hubbell, best they are a pretty versatile design, for wall, pendant, & surface mounting, plus guards,reflectors as accessories.
 

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I have 6 of those lights in my cattle shed. No cattle just for damp weather conditions. Wish I could find them on sale. I need about 10 more to light up the last two bays.
 
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I got some from this place for a good price:
http://www.warehouse-lighting.com/warehouse-industrial/vapor-wet-location-/jar-vapor-lights

Made my own customized "barn" lights with them.
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If you want cheaper protection for bulbs on keyless bases these might be a solution. They are a bit expensive though for what they are.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0018Y3BOY/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I used them in a few locations, but I would try to find them cheaper before buying more.

Those are mighty cool! Custom paint job? What kind of paint?
The only thing I would have done different is make your conduit go 90 degrees UP, then turn a 180 degrees down and into the fixture. A more old-timey look, but still modern with the straight sided shade.
Well done!:beer:
 
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Brass ones would be very cool! I think I will go with a couple of these fixtures, one where the fixture is now and one over my bench. I will run BX along the ceiling between the two. I think these will look really cool with these light bulbs:

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Those are mighty cool! Custom paint job? What kind of paint?
Thanks. I used black automotive wrinkle finish from a spray can. It looks speckled in the photo but that's just the sun reflecting on the finish.
 

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Brass ones would be very cool! I think I will go with a couple of these fixtures, one where the fixture is now and one over my bench. I will run BX along the ceiling between the two. I think these will look really cool with these light bulbs:

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Those bulbs do look cool, but they don't put out much light and they are very expensive. A cheaper alternative that sill looks sort of vintage are the clear halogen round bulbs. They put out a lot of light too and are more efficient than standard incandescents.
 

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Those bulbs do look cool, but they don't put out much light and they are very expensive. A cheaper alternative that sill looks sort of vintage are the clear halogen round bulbs. They put out a lot of light too and are more efficient than standard incandescents.

I agree with the appearance of clear, round bulbs, but the efficiency of halogens is a red herring. The best claim I've come across is "up to" 40% less energy for the same light. If you do a little research (looking at the bulb packages in the store will do fine), you'll find that standard incandescents range from about 7 lumens/Watt to 19.5 l/W. That's waaayy more than a 40% difference, so it completely swamps the halogen benefit. Halogens run their filaments hotter than standard nitrogen-filled incandescents, so their color is a bit bluer. Whether you like that is a matter of taste. But, to compare efficiency, you need to choose the bulb you like, look at the package (or website - good luck finding hard numbers), check the output in lumens, divide by power consumption in watts, and there you go.
Among all the variables, one rule holds true across the board for any given incandescent bulb type: the higher the power consumption, the higher the efficiency. For instance, a 100W bulb will put out 1700 lumens, but a 60W bulb only puts out 500. 60% of the power, but 30% of the light!
Oddly, LED's are exactly the opposite. A milliwatt range LED can easily have ten times the efficiency of an incandescent, but the watt-range LEDs are more like four times. That's why practical LED lamps are still made with multi-LED arrays.
And don't forget the difference between a lamp and a luminaire! LED's especially are bad about being rated in candelas, which is a measurement of brightness, not light output. Don't make the mistake of thinking candelas and lumens are the same thing by different names!
Standard incandescent bulbs (and CFL's, and HID's) emit light essentially in a 360 degree spherical pattern, all but the shadow of the base. LED's never cover more than half a sphere, and many have internal lenses that focus the light into a fairly tight beam - 30 degrees or so. They are lamp and luminaire in one package, so if you can only find candela ratings, they are comparable only if you measure the brightness of the other lamp you're considering IN THE LUMINAIRE you'll be using, and at the same distance the LED was tested at!
Confused yet?
It gets worse. The human eye is nonlinear. Doubling the measured brightness of a light does not make it LOOK twice as bright. So, if you're comparing two light sources that differ by, say, 20%, you won't see the difference. On the other hand, a 20% difference in energy consumption in many, frequently used, lights may make a difference you will see in your electric bill.
All this info is out there, on the web and in stores. It's tedious to wade through, but once you do, you'll be able to make better, more predictable choices.
 

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Sparkfarmer, I've got a couple in my shop. I install them at work on occasion and believe they are a "cat 1, div.1" fixture, can't quite remember though, i'd have to check the code book again, essentially rated for hazardous locations. I like the look of them which is why I installed them also. They are manufactured by "Rab", check the wholesalers in your area, "eccol, westburn, nedco" ,should be easy to find. You can also get ceiling mounts like the one you posted or the one in the photo that's posted.
Cheers!
 

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Norcal

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Sparkfarmer, I've got a couple in my shop. I install them at work on occasion and believe they are a "cat 1, div.1" fixture, can't quite remember though, i'd have to check the code book again, essentially rated for hazardous locations. I like the look of them which is why I installed them also. They are manufactured by "Rab", check the wholesalers in your area, "eccol, westburn, nedco" ,should be easy to find. You can also get ceiling mounts like the one you posted or the one in the photo that's posted.
Cheers!

They are just vapor tight, not hazardous location fixtures, there would labels affixed to the fixture if they were for hazardous location use & high dollar too.
 
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