why is this even permitted? just nuts IMO .
insane 15amp receptacle
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mike93lx
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T-taps FTW
You don't use a punch down tool to install receptacles?
You don't use a punch down tool to install receptacles?
sparky 1971
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That there is a mobile home receptacle and one of the many reasons I won't set foot inside a trailer house. I admit to not watching the video.
msharley
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Cheaper!
Wiz02
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I know that UL is not the NFPA that handles the National Electric Code, but how can that fire hazard of a product be permitted by any licensing body? Instead of the NFPA mandating Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters, they should be banning that type wire connection, which is barely suitable for low voltage.
wyliesdiesels
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Why is it permitted? because its listed by an NRTL
when you think about it, push-wire terminals aka backstab terminals have about the same amount of contact as this does and its only being held on by a spring instead of instead of a sharp edge
when you think about it, push-wire terminals aka backstab terminals have about the same amount of contact as this does and its only being held on by a spring instead of instead of a sharp edge
It is listed by a NRTL, Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory, such as UL, CSA, or others, they are used by the manufactured home industry, & RV manufacturers, if my memory serves me correctly AMP was the 1st to introduce it, supposedly a time saver by not needing a box, plus no splices, I would hate to come behind & have to service them.
alfredeneuman
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Where's the "Insane 15A receptacle"?
I'm guessing the design if primarily to facilitate use in thin walls.
Dude did not show much of the inside of the back-plate that holds everything in place. I assume a special tool is used to "crimp" the entire assemble together.
I see nothing wrong with it.
Dude did not show much of the inside of the back-plate that holds everything in place. I assume a special tool is used to "crimp" the entire assemble together.
I see nothing wrong with it.
beemerphile
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The guy who installed the one in the video that failed obviously did not. An improperly pigtailed commercial grade receptacle can present an equivalent danger. I admit to some years of trailer life in my past, and I think the IPC wall switches might have been the only thing that DIDN'T fail. They must have had a proper punchdown tool.
The electrical item I most wanted to choke the mobile home manufacturer for was the contactor that brought on the heating system. It sounded like a NEMA 4 motor starter bolted to a piece of sheet metal followed by the rush of a 3600 rpm blower pushing air through a too-small uninsulated duct. Given the trailer insulation, on a cold night this happened about every five minutes as you tried to sleep. The wall switches never kept me awake and to the disappointment of my ex-wife, I didn't die in a trailer fire.
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4xdog
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I've never been a fan of insulation displacement contacts. And those look worse than T-taps or Skotchloks.
kaymccampbell
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Punched down correctly, that wouldn't bother me. Now, backstab fixtures, those bother me.
Trailers, just like tract homes, and multi family dwellings, are built as cheap as they can get away with, and the definite purpose contactors used in HVAC equipment is the same, they are designed to last a certain number of operations and as long as that is longer then the warranty period, it's all good.
wyliesdiesels
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Wondered that myself lol
When I first clicked on the article yesterday, thought it might be about those "audiophile receptacles"
Discussion forum about them.
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/audiophile-grade-wall-receptaclereader2580
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I built a really thin wall in my basement to make a closet wide enough for a standard door. I found a really shallow plastic electrical box at Menards and was able to mount a standard outlet. One of the tricks was to only run one cable to box so I didn't have to pigtail it.
theoldwizard1
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Why ? They seem very similar to me !
kaymccampbell
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Cause I've had backstab fixtures catch fire or melt down, but never punchdowns. The punchdowns dig into the conductor on two sides, the backstabs barely graze it. Again, this is assuming it was done correctly. I still prefer screwed or clamped.
yatg
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kbuhagiar
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When I first clicked on the article yesterday, thought it might be about those "audiophile receptacles"
Discussion forum about them.
Now THAT's insane!
This post from that thread says it all:
Sorta reminds me of all that Monster Cable audiophile nonsense.
wyliesdiesels
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then you havent analyzed the differences between the 2. a sharp edge biting both sides of a conductor is a lot different than a flat piece of metal touching one side of a conductor with a spring in the strap for tension
beemerphile
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No, those are "audiophoole receptacles". These are the same phooles who pay $800 for a souped up 10 awg power cable that does all kinds of marvy things to the sound. I read of a guy who put one on a DAC that drew about 15 watts and it "transformed his system" almost as much as the cable lifters he bought to keep his cables off the floor. There is a clown in Japan who had an audiophoole power pole installed that fed the dedicated service to his sound system.When I first clicked on the article yesterday, thought it might be about those "audiophile receptacles"
Discussion forum about them.
They speak **** like this with a straight face...
Yeah, that "nickle plating" really screws things up.
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Reading that thread is wow. Not as bad as the guy in Japan that bought his own pole and transformer for his stereo though…When I first clicked on the article yesterday, thought it might be about those "audiophile receptacles"
Discussion forum about them.
mike93lx
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I sold a lot of monster at tweeter in the early 00's...it sure did wonders for my wallet!
nadogail
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When you are not rich and do something outside the norm you might be called crazy or worse.
If you have enough money you can be elevated to Eccentric.
If you have enough money you can be elevated to Eccentric.
Crazyjake8493
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Those are garbage. Replaced many of those in RV's, and a handful in trailer homes as well. Total garbage.
alfredeneuman
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Are the audiofool recps. also available in tamper resistant ?
mike93lx
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It's really the arcs that mess up your vinyl playback. Need those AFCI's!Are the audiofool recps. also available in tamper resistant ?
Wiz02
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I doubt that I can remember or even search for the formulas to determine the current carrying capacity of a couple of thin knife edges, but I wouldn't push 15 amps through it, proper punch down tool used or not.
wyliesdiesels
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You do realize that it has been tested by an NRTL in a lab? So it has been proven that it can carry 15a.
Wiz02
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I know that you must have seen UL listed devices that are total POS's. IMHO this receptacle falls into that category. We can discuss skin effect and other attributes of how current is carried, but I do not trust that type of connection for this application.
Cost reduction has it's place, but not here.
beemerphile
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If they were, the phooles would have to call a proper sparky or other competent adult to plug it in.Are the audiofool recps. also available in tamper resistant ?
beemerphile
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Wiz02
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Thankfully I aged out of that hobby due to hearing loss, but I can say that mild hearing loss is good for your marriage
beemerphile
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I "overspend" a good bit on sound equipment, but I could buy a nice new touring motorcycle for the difference in price between two sound systems whose performance differences could be confirmed by oscilloscope traces but not by blind A-B comparison listening. Unless you are in the Gates/Musk/Bezos class purchasing decisions have an opportunity cost. My entire budget for audiophile tweaks remains unspent.Thankfully I aged out of that hobby due to hearing loss, but I can say that mild hearing loss is good for your marriage
Wiz02
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Helped a friend design an build an "audiophile" level speaker system in the early 80s. Speaker cabinets were huge, and I can't remember what components we used besides Klipsch horns. I designed and built the crossover network. He built the cabinets and bought the speakers.
We had a listening party where all the audiophile buddies came by and they raved about the speakers. Funny thing was that the mid range speakers were accidentally disconnected. I too could not tell the difference, and as a result, my interest gradually tailed off.
We had a listening party where all the audiophile buddies came by and they raved about the speakers. Funny thing was that the mid range speakers were accidentally disconnected. I too could not tell the difference, and as a result, my interest gradually tailed off.
WTF?????
As a Communications Contractor, I am very familiar with this type of connection. I use it all the time in cat6 plugs and jacks. Carrying milliamp range current on 23ga. at a few volts up to 30 or so, no problem. Carrying REAL electricity?? Not In My House!
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beemerphile
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I've never seen them used in houses, just RV's, mobile homes, but they are UL approved and manufactured by respected companies like Pass and Seymour (Legrand).
Absolutely nothing is "approved" by UL, they list a product if it meets the standard set for that product.