Bib Overalls
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No suggestion on cutting the holes. But I'm sure they will come out right. Everything else you have done is spot on.
InTheMitten Garage Build
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Thank you! I've done some checking and the ones we're going to use are for sure the LED recessed and they can mount to a standard 4" box. Measure 14 times... cut once.
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Making a decent amount of progress this week. Carved some time out away from the office this afternoon and had a buddy of mine come over to assist on getting the interior gable framed up.
A little figuring to make sure we had a rafter in place to catch the return for the ceiling steel, then craft and opening for the doorway to the loft/cubby storage space and get purlins in to hit our attachment points.
We took some extra time and measured out so we'll have screws at even placement all the way around the inside of the building - placed the purlin section on that wall accordingly.
A couple photos of the work in progress. Cheers!
A little figuring to make sure we had a rafter in place to catch the return for the ceiling steel, then craft and opening for the doorway to the loft/cubby storage space and get purlins in to hit our attachment points.
We took some extra time and measured out so we'll have screws at even placement all the way around the inside of the building - placed the purlin section on that wall accordingly.
A couple photos of the work in progress. Cheers!
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Not much to update on here and we're kind of at a stand still. With exterior home projects taking priority over interior barn projects headed deeper into fall. Picking off small items like more spray foam and sealing up any joints where possible.
Next steps are to continue work on the electrical and hope to make more progress there this weekend.
Next steps are to continue work on the electrical and hope to make more progress there this weekend.
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Progress... Finally!
The entire weekend was dedicated to garage work. At the end of it, we strung nearly 800' of wiring and I'm feeling like we're getting things back on track.
A couple pictures to keep things going.
All outlets have been run with 12-2 w/grnd. with a dedicated line for 220v for a hoist down the road on the north end, then 10-2 w/grnd. for the compressor. Ended up having to run 8-2 w/grnd. for the welder which I've placed that plug in between the two main overhead doors up front. All lighting is run with 14-2 w/grnd. on their own circuits to try and keep things clean and manageable for service work down the road.
I ended up going with 6" can lights for exterior lighting. 2 in the "porch" area and 3 in the soffit eaves between the main overhead doors. Went with the LED "disks" that you can get from Home Depot. They either act as a retrofit into existing cans, or can mount direct to a 4" junction box. Seeing as though this is a new construction and space is limited in the eaves, the 4" junction mount is appealing. I like them. Sealed from the elements, damp rated, very low draw.
The secret to cutting your steel ceiling and soffit is a tungsten carbide bit in the Rotozip! I killed about 4 standard bits before discovering this. Do yourself a favor, spend the $9 on the bit and be done with it.
I ran into a small issue I did not take into account during the build. Our ceiling profile overhead doors in the large area will not clear my 8' fluorescents. Switched gears, we'll be using 2, 8' fluorescents up high in each bay, then 4, 6" can lights recessed on the lower portion of each bay. Cost-effective and a great solution.
I figure another afternoon of wiring and we'll be ready for insulation. Sorry for the low quality pics but wiring is tough to shoot! Cheers.
The entire weekend was dedicated to garage work. At the end of it, we strung nearly 800' of wiring and I'm feeling like we're getting things back on track.
A couple pictures to keep things going.
All outlets have been run with 12-2 w/grnd. with a dedicated line for 220v for a hoist down the road on the north end, then 10-2 w/grnd. for the compressor. Ended up having to run 8-2 w/grnd. for the welder which I've placed that plug in between the two main overhead doors up front. All lighting is run with 14-2 w/grnd. on their own circuits to try and keep things clean and manageable for service work down the road.
I ended up going with 6" can lights for exterior lighting. 2 in the "porch" area and 3 in the soffit eaves between the main overhead doors. Went with the LED "disks" that you can get from Home Depot. They either act as a retrofit into existing cans, or can mount direct to a 4" junction box. Seeing as though this is a new construction and space is limited in the eaves, the 4" junction mount is appealing. I like them. Sealed from the elements, damp rated, very low draw.
The secret to cutting your steel ceiling and soffit is a tungsten carbide bit in the Rotozip! I killed about 4 standard bits before discovering this. Do yourself a favor, spend the $9 on the bit and be done with it.
I ran into a small issue I did not take into account during the build. Our ceiling profile overhead doors in the large area will not clear my 8' fluorescents. Switched gears, we'll be using 2, 8' fluorescents up high in each bay, then 4, 6" can lights recessed on the lower portion of each bay. Cost-effective and a great solution.
I figure another afternoon of wiring and we'll be ready for insulation. Sorry for the low quality pics but wiring is tough to shoot! Cheers.
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Pretty sure I'm on this 2-week kick where I get a large chunk of items accomplished, then I'm able to provide some updates.
The wiring is almost completed which is a great feeling. The lights in the soffit threw me for a bit of a loop but I've got it figured out. Mounting those things to the 4" boxes in the soffit was more of a challenge than I anticipated. I'll post up pictures of my solution later.
Wired the building for sound and the air line kit showed up the other day. Decided to go with one of the RapidAir Max Air 3/4" kits. I read enough pros/cons on the PVC route and didn't feel like threading all the pipe necessary to do it in hard line.
Garage door openers should be here on Friday. Ran into a minor snafu there. We're running the Liftmaster Elite 8500 side mount / jackshaft openers. Since we're using low clearance tracks on the doors, the torsion shaft is mounted within 2" of the ceiling and Liftmaster wants 3" for those... so, they'll be getting an adapter that drops them down another 6" to accommodate. Not happy about that, but it will be a clean install when done.
I'll post more pictures when time allows this week.
Cheers!
The wiring is almost completed which is a great feeling. The lights in the soffit threw me for a bit of a loop but I've got it figured out. Mounting those things to the 4" boxes in the soffit was more of a challenge than I anticipated. I'll post up pictures of my solution later.
Wired the building for sound and the air line kit showed up the other day. Decided to go with one of the RapidAir Max Air 3/4" kits. I read enough pros/cons on the PVC route and didn't feel like threading all the pipe necessary to do it in hard line.
Garage door openers should be here on Friday. Ran into a minor snafu there. We're running the Liftmaster Elite 8500 side mount / jackshaft openers. Since we're using low clearance tracks on the doors, the torsion shaft is mounted within 2" of the ceiling and Liftmaster wants 3" for those... so, they'll be getting an adapter that drops them down another 6" to accommodate. Not happy about that, but it will be a clean install when done.
I'll post more pictures when time allows this week.
Cheers!
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Per my last post I've continued to make some great progress over the past weekend and was able to snag a few photos to share.
The loft (storage cubby) area which is up in the raftered area above the short side of the building has been sheeted with 5/8" OSB and is ready for storage.
We were able to plumb all of the airlines in. A smaller air manifold out of 3/4" galv. was assembled to bring air into the system, provide a sediment drop and a short period of time to cool the air before it dumps in through the water trap. From the water trap it goes back into the MaxAir 3/4" (rapidair) system which was actually quite nice to work with. I highly recommend it. Once you understand how it works, it's amazing the area you can cover in a short period of time. Straightening it is a chore, but 2 guys can get it done.
Air line runs from the back (east) of our building, with an air outlet there by the compressor (60 gallon unit). Another drop/outlet in the NE corner of the building to accommodate for the other bay. Then up to the ceiling where it connects to a hose reel. We then jumped it over to the other side of the building (west) to bring a drop in just above where the welding and metal fab bench will reside.
Pressure tested the system and we've been holding 50 PSI for about 4 days now so I'm thinking we're just fine. Double checking all the wiring locations now and am thinking insulation will be going in very soon.
Chatted with my steel supplier yesterday to get details on measuring for interior liner panels and think I understand how that works.
I'll post more pics as we make progress - thanks to everyone for following along! Cheers.
The loft (storage cubby) area which is up in the raftered area above the short side of the building has been sheeted with 5/8" OSB and is ready for storage.
We were able to plumb all of the airlines in. A smaller air manifold out of 3/4" galv. was assembled to bring air into the system, provide a sediment drop and a short period of time to cool the air before it dumps in through the water trap. From the water trap it goes back into the MaxAir 3/4" (rapidair) system which was actually quite nice to work with. I highly recommend it. Once you understand how it works, it's amazing the area you can cover in a short period of time. Straightening it is a chore, but 2 guys can get it done.
Air line runs from the back (east) of our building, with an air outlet there by the compressor (60 gallon unit). Another drop/outlet in the NE corner of the building to accommodate for the other bay. Then up to the ceiling where it connects to a hose reel. We then jumped it over to the other side of the building (west) to bring a drop in just above where the welding and metal fab bench will reside.
Pressure tested the system and we've been holding 50 PSI for about 4 days now so I'm thinking we're just fine. Double checking all the wiring locations now and am thinking insulation will be going in very soon.
Chatted with my steel supplier yesterday to get details on measuring for interior liner panels and think I understand how that works.
I'll post more pics as we make progress - thanks to everyone for following along! Cheers.
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Blackhawks63
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Great project. Thank you for sharing.
Rockcam
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Looks great.
How rigid is the rapid aire pipe?
How rigid is the rapid aire pipe?
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It's actually pretty solid considering it comes coiled up in a 2' x 2' box! Think of working with soft copper tubing as an example of this stuff. That's the closest thing I can relate it to.
You can just keep working it until you get it straightened out the way you want it and if you want to make a bend, just work it around and it will happen. Good stuff!
mhayden550
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Looking great!!
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Following my usual M.O. it's about a month since my last update. Now that we've gotten through the holiday rush I was able to get back out to the pole barn and get more work done. Of course this was during -10 to -15 windchill weather!
With all the roof baffles installed, double checked all wiring locations and it was on to insulating. R30 in the ceiling and R19 in the walls. This is my first time insulating a pole barn so it was interesting to say the least. Once we got a system down it went pretty quickly and we tried to work it 1 section at a time. Pre-cut the purlins, pre-cut the insulation and off we went.
Note: Use a staple gun and pop a couple staples in up top on your batt to help hold it in place while you're getting your purlins installed. Works well.
I made use of my help this weekend and got as much of the "high" stuff taken care of. Figured we have 70% insulated so far. A few cuts to make in the ceiling to make sure we wrap the purlins and get good coverage.
Cheers!
With all the roof baffles installed, double checked all wiring locations and it was on to insulating. R30 in the ceiling and R19 in the walls. This is my first time insulating a pole barn so it was interesting to say the least. Once we got a system down it went pretty quickly and we tried to work it 1 section at a time. Pre-cut the purlins, pre-cut the insulation and off we went.
Note: Use a staple gun and pop a couple staples in up top on your batt to help hold it in place while you're getting your purlins installed. Works well.
I made use of my help this weekend and got as much of the "high" stuff taken care of. Figured we have 70% insulated so far. A few cuts to make in the ceiling to make sure we wrap the purlins and get good coverage.
Cheers!
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Looks like you have a very unique garage going up. It looks great! Im from MI as well and Im planning my future build to be metal for cost purposes. I was wondering how i'd go about insulating it but your pics just solved that. Heat and insulation is important up here!
you should post up what you plan on using the garage for or what will be reside inside it when completed.
you should post up what you plan on using the garage for or what will be reside inside it when completed.
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Thanks Chad!
Insulation and heat are definitely needed that's for sure and I would say to take some time and plan out how much time you're going to spend out there in the cold months. I couldn't justify radiant floor heating but wanted to make sure I could insulate and get some heat held in there.
The building will serve two purposes, especially in the winter. While we have an attached garage our SUV will not fit in there during the winter with a ski box on top. So that will be parked in the pole barn during the winter.
A portion of it is setup for future installation of a 2-post lift. Concrete has been prepped and a 220v line run for it down the road. I'm a general garage tinkerer and car guy so this gives us the space to have both lawn equipment in there that will primarily be the use of the "short side" and general vehicle work in the larger side.
No plans of bolting a bunch of cabinets to the walls yet. Planning on most everything being mobile. Workbench and toolboxes - providing the most flexibility in space use. Trying to keep everything somewhat modular if you will.
There will be a cabinet inside the man door when you enter that will house the radio and probably charging stations for power tools and considering a storage solution for bolts/fasteners. Haven't gotten that far just yet though.
In terms of projects... there's totally a hot rod in the future, just not certain when. 30's vintage ford coupe is the plan. In the meantime... I've got an old Allis Chalmers garden tractor that's going to get a restore. That's right... a garden tractor! haha.
Cheers!
Insulation and heat are definitely needed that's for sure and I would say to take some time and plan out how much time you're going to spend out there in the cold months. I couldn't justify radiant floor heating but wanted to make sure I could insulate and get some heat held in there.
The building will serve two purposes, especially in the winter. While we have an attached garage our SUV will not fit in there during the winter with a ski box on top. So that will be parked in the pole barn during the winter.
A portion of it is setup for future installation of a 2-post lift. Concrete has been prepped and a 220v line run for it down the road. I'm a general garage tinkerer and car guy so this gives us the space to have both lawn equipment in there that will primarily be the use of the "short side" and general vehicle work in the larger side.
No plans of bolting a bunch of cabinets to the walls yet. Planning on most everything being mobile. Workbench and toolboxes - providing the most flexibility in space use. Trying to keep everything somewhat modular if you will.
There will be a cabinet inside the man door when you enter that will house the radio and probably charging stations for power tools and considering a storage solution for bolts/fasteners. Haven't gotten that far just yet though.
In terms of projects... there's totally a hot rod in the future, just not certain when. 30's vintage ford coupe is the plan. In the meantime... I've got an old Allis Chalmers garden tractor that's going to get a restore. That's right... a garden tractor! haha.
Cheers!
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why is the batts facing out on the cieling and the reverse on the wall.s I have never hung insulation in a ceiling before.
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Great question! I should have clarified the differences in the batts.
On the ceiling, those are unfaced R30 batts and the walls are R19 kraft faced batts.
Honestly... I didn't question my friend who use to do insulation as a living and went with his recommendations.
I did find a good thread on GJ here to give you some additional ideas: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85681
Given the air gaps created with the purlins between the exterior steel and insulation, along with the air gap I'll get between the interior liner steel and the insulation, it should be all good. Sad thing... probably better than my house!
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Not quite sure where a month went. Been super busy and quite honestly... it's been way to ******** cold outside and I haven't been overly motivated to work for hours on end in the pole barn.
Update, I'm about 95% insulated now. Just a couple pieces here and there and the wall where some electrical connections need to be shored up.
The biggest head scratcher I had recently was trimming out the windows.
After about a week of thinking about it, drawing, measuring - I figured out a method that worked. I needed to mirror the way the purlins were done to some extent when the builder placed the windows in. Then create an "extension jam" to bring everything out flush with the finished wall.
I ended up using 1/2" BC plywood ripped to the proper width needed, attached various blocks on them to keep things square. Once the jams were installed and squared up, the 2x4 purlins were brought in to surround it.
Since I'm going with steel on the interior, the J-channel will screw to the purlins and the jams will just be painted white this spring.
All in all, it turned out great. Now to replicate this on two more. Cheers!
Update, I'm about 95% insulated now. Just a couple pieces here and there and the wall where some electrical connections need to be shored up.
The biggest head scratcher I had recently was trimming out the windows.
After about a week of thinking about it, drawing, measuring - I figured out a method that worked. I needed to mirror the way the purlins were done to some extent when the builder placed the windows in. Then create an "extension jam" to bring everything out flush with the finished wall.
I ended up using 1/2" BC plywood ripped to the proper width needed, attached various blocks on them to keep things square. Once the jams were installed and squared up, the 2x4 purlins were brought in to surround it.
Since I'm going with steel on the interior, the J-channel will screw to the purlins and the jams will just be painted white this spring.
All in all, it turned out great. Now to replicate this on two more. Cheers!
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I feel you on the cold! I'm up in Pellston MI the ice box of the nation lol. I have not been getting much work done in my garage either. Hard to get motivated when its not even above 0 or in single digits most of the time. But keep up the good work and pics! Spring is on its way.
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Thanks! I'm with you on the single digits. I love the snow but the extremes on cold temps we have had are brutal this year. Especially trying to get things done outside. Appreciate the positive comments and I'll keep the updates coming in the next week here.
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Well it's been awhile! Since February I think?
My schedule got a touch crazy this spring/summer with work, a baby, a car, etc.
Steel rolled in for the interior in April. I was able to source it somewhat locally which was an excellent decision. Quality product, super helpful guys. Ordered on a Monday, rolled on Thursday, delivered on Friday!
Since April I've been working off and on trying to get the interior buttoned up. Finally have it to the point where I've started to move stuff in. Only a couple spots to finish up steel, above the OH doors and for the door on the attic storage space.
Electrical is done, fixtures all installed. Audio is hooked up and tested.
When some time frees up in the next couple of months I have a couple mobile benches to get assembled, the welding table, etc.
For now - I'll fast forward you with pictures!
My schedule got a touch crazy this spring/summer with work, a baby, a car, etc.
Steel rolled in for the interior in April. I was able to source it somewhat locally which was an excellent decision. Quality product, super helpful guys. Ordered on a Monday, rolled on Thursday, delivered on Friday!
Since April I've been working off and on trying to get the interior buttoned up. Finally have it to the point where I've started to move stuff in. Only a couple spots to finish up steel, above the OH doors and for the door on the attic storage space.
Electrical is done, fixtures all installed. Audio is hooked up and tested.
When some time frees up in the next couple of months I have a couple mobile benches to get assembled, the welding table, etc.
For now - I'll fast forward you with pictures!
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jwhcars
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Great looking garage and nice work.
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Thank you!