Introductery with compressor dilemma.

[Climber]

Hello guys and girls if any.
My first thread on this forum. I'v been reading a lot but never posted. Very nervous.
I am poor stupid emigrant who came to USA form Ukraine. My trip over border was in the trunk of some car. Very uncomfortable. So please except my apologies for misspelling and poor grammar.

I worked hard and got my self little house with chicken cube. Now I want to convert this peace of chicken poop into descent shop. Most important not to wash off poop all at-ones because the building will fall.

So my improvements start with changing 10-years old Colman to some thing more suitable. Came to this board and star reading about compressors.
All my overseas life I knew IR. Very good company. My initial model was from Tractor Supply IR TS4N5. Thanks to "Difference between Ingersoll Rand TS4N5 and 2340N5? " by bmwpower I discover monopoly model from TS. I hate this misbehavior. So started to look into 2340 models. Call to dealer and he mention it runs 1500 RPM. No doubt 2340 is world class compressor. But, is it not what we doing here trying to get best bang for a back?
Then bmwpower mentioned "Quincy" brand. Never heard of if. I did some research and findings were stanishing. Best PSI per dollar, 50,000 hours pump life, made in USA and most important blue color will mach my Miller plasma cutter and mig welder.
In the post "Eaton vs Quincy" by bill9860 I find more support for Quincy.
But now what model? I am leaning to 5Hp, single phase, 60-80 gal tank, 15-20CFM and 150+ max PSI. For now lets take one source NortherTool to compare pricing.

2V41C60VC - $1,500 5Hp, 60 gal, 15.2 CFM, 1310 RPM
well good machine. Just CFM little bit too low if I ran blaster or spray gun. What else?
251CP80VCB - $1,800. Wow ANOTHER $300 more. Let see what is giving me, what is the difference? same 5 Hp , but 80 gal and 17.2 CFM, and same 1310 RPM. Not bad, not bad. What else?
251CS80VCB - $1,900. OMG $100 more? Same 5 Hp and again 80 gal, 17.2 CFM, but look RPM drop to 942 AND it has mag start.
Later from Quinsy brochure I find out the 2V41C60VC also 942RPM.

So conclusion: The winner is 251CS80VCB

Who will support me in the butte with my wife for Quincy 251CS80VCB? Who? Lets here you!

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

If you go Quincy, try a QR-25 series, model 325 5HP unit. Pressure (not splash) lubed, spin on oil filter and even the piston pins are pressure lubed. You can hand that one down to your great grandkids. The rpm range is 400 to 900 rpm and is very quiet.

The only drawback the weight (and price...). The pump alone weighs 295 pounds without the motor or tank. Another great feature is that the valves can be pulled for cleaning without taking off the head.

As for the wife, don't you think she needs some diamond earrings? Necklace (or two)?, New furniture?

If all else fails, try what I do, begging......

 

[bmwpower]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

QR series is the way to go, but if you don't have that kind of cash, the lower duty models will work, too. It all depends on how much money you want to spend and what kind of power you can provide the compressor.

80 gallon and 17+ CFM is a nice sweet spot.

 

[bsaint]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Jenny (previously Emglo) makes a great compressor. Better valves.

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

QR series is the way to go, but if you don't have that kind of cash, the lower duty models will work, too. It all depends on how much money you want to spend and what kind of power you can provide the compressor.

80 gallon and 17+ CFM is a nice sweet spot.

bmwpower,

Anyone with a pretty blue Miller plasma cutter and Miller mig welder and is already looking at a $1,900 Quincy probably isn't worried about the price. I think he forgot to tell us the car he came over the border in the trunk was something like a Rolls Royce or a Bentley....

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

If you go Quincy, try a QR-25 series...
The only drawback the weight (and price...)....

I was looking into QR-25 as well. Question: do I need this? Hmm...
Drawback weight ... not really, it's not like I will carry it with me. Price is getting where air gets expensive.

As for the wife, don't you think she needs some diamond earrings? Necklace (or two)?, New furniture?...

She got it all of it.

If all else fails, try what I do, begging......

I'll stick to: Better to ask forgiveness then permition.

QR series is the way to go, but if you don't have that kind of cash, the lower duty models will work, too. It all depends on how much money you want to spend and what kind of power you can provide the compressor.

80 gallon and 17+ CFM is a nice sweet spot.

i don't want to spend ANY money, but if I have to - I am following logic: I am not reach to pay cheep multiple times.

Jenny (previously Emglo) makes a great compressor. Better valves.

May be, but Quincy: lockal dealer, good service, parts in stock, 50,000 hours ... come on, I am doing research for two weeks. Anogth choices. Quincy - IT IS.

bmwpower,

Anyone with a pretty blue Miller plasma cutter and Miller mig welder and is already looking at a $1,900 Quincy probably isn't worried about the price...

Originally I was looking for Kobalt for $900

...I think he forgot to tell us the car he came over the border in the trunk was something like a Rolls Royce or a Bentley....

Who needs long story about my trunk trip. It's just some minor details.

Cheers

 

[bmwpower]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

bmwpower,

Anyone with a pretty blue Miller plasma cutter and Miller mig welder and is already looking at a $1,900 Quincy probably isn't worried about the price. I think he forgot to tell us the car he came over the border in the trunk was something like a Rolls Royce or a Bentley....

That may be true, but a QR-25 in that spec range is over double the price last time I checked.

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

My chicken cube before renovation. You can see two carpenters running around. They took deposit and gone ...

 

[bsaint]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

May be, but Quincy: lockal dealer, good service, parts in stock, 50,000 hours ... come on, I am doing research for two weeks. Anogth choices. Quincy - IT IS.

Emglo distributors are a dime a dozen. Quincy distributors don't want to sell to small potatoes like you. Unless you have some major pressure lube pump, do you think the local Quincy dealer is going to start stocking parts for some walk in joe shmoe who nickel and dimes compressor service?

And you're screwing with me. I would love to see your little piston machine last 50k hours.

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

bsaint,

I hate to tell you this but my local Quincy dealer will stop and shoot the breeze with you. He also has no problem offering a good discount for an individual, will sell you anything you need at a good price (I buy my oil, oil filters and air filters from him) and will go out of his way to help.

I bought mine used from a custom interior shop and he had no problem telling my what I needed to know about it.

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

bsaint,
I hate you, you make me think. You know, I can hurt my head by thinking. Seriously, I appreciate your input.
Realy like model W5B-80. What do you have?
I can't find hours info. Do you have any idea.
mytoolstore.com selling now for $1,825
5hp, 80gal tank, 760RPM, 17.5 CFM @175PSI (!!!), 2 stage 4 cylinder(?), mag starter. WOW.
This think looks sweet. If hours will be good and local dealer available, I may be go for it.
BTW, do you know how noisy is it?
Thanks

 

[Kev442]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

My chicken cube before renovation. You can see two carpenters running around. They took deposit and gone ...

They forgot to harness up their Mules...

 

[bmwpower]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

bsaint,

I hate to tell you this but my local Quincy dealer will stop and shoot the breeze with you. He also has no problem offering a good discount for an individual, will sell you anything you need at a good price (I buy my oil, oil filters and air filters from him) and will go out of his way to help.

I bought mine used from a custom interior shop and he had no problem telling my what I needed to know about it.

I second this. I went to them to buy a piece of copper to fit to my setup. They bent it for me, too. If some recall, when I first got mine, I called the local dealer up to try to fix an issue I had after I changed the oil. They went over and above helping me out with fixing it. And I didn't even buy the compressor from them!

 

[bsaint]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Maybe its the area you guys live in. The Quincy dealer in CT doesn't even have a show room where you can come in and buy units. At least it didn't 3 years ago. All they wanted to do is sell 20+ hp rotary screw machines.

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

bsaint,
try
Scales Industrial Technologies - Worcester
URL: www.scalesair.com
118 Cambridge St. Worcester, MA, 01603
Contact Name: Dave Albert
[email protected]
508.798.0454

It's about 55-65 miles from you.
BTW i am 100 miles from you, so be nice

 

[Bootybug]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Stunning 27 CFM at 90 PSI!!! $1,900, Jenny. This Jenny won't lose your number!

http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Jenny-GC5A-60V-Air-Compressor/p3829.html

THIS IS A TYPO ON THEIR WEBSITE. THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT CFM--more than likely, 17ish.

 

[diesel research]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/eat...e-over-made-china-compressor-post-143953.html

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

booty,

You need to research Eaton a little more. If the owner said good morning, I would have to go outside and see if the sun was shining. They are a good compressor but I don't like the way they run their business trying to represent themselves as "American made".

By the way, my poor old 5 HP Quincy only puts out 18.64 SCFM at 175 psi.........

That Eaton puts out 19 SCFM at 100 psi.

 

[Bootybug]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Yeah, I'm more intested in a compressor that puts out at 90 PSI, than at 175. It's hard to compare apples to apples. In addition, getting a compressor that does not run at 100% of its ability is wise as it will get hot and die young.

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Yeah, I'm more intested in a compressor that puts out at 90 PSI, than at 175. It's hard to compare apples to apples. In addition, getting a compressor that does not run at 100% of its ability is wise as it will get hot and die young.

The Quincy we are talking about has a continual run function as an option to prevent the compressor from starting/stopping to often. It is designed to run 24/7 and not have a problem. Quincy also has several single stage compressors that run 100 psi specs. Those would be the 240 or 270 pumps.

 

[bsaint]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

bsaint,
try
Scales Industrial Technologies - Worcester
URL: www.scalesair.com
118 Cambridge St. Worcester, MA, 01603
Contact Name: Dave Albert
[email protected]
508.798.0454

It's about 55-65 miles from you.
BTW i am 100 miles from you, so be nice

Thats the one I am talking about. But I went to their other branch in Meriden as its closer.

 

[Bootybug]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Can someone tell me this isn't a good deal? I'm ready to buy and this looks like a beast...

http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Jenny-GC5A-60V-Air-Compressor/p3829.html

Or, I can go higher on the PSI and lower on the CFM...


http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Jenny-GT5B-60V-Air-Compressor/p3830.html

If I'm running tools, I think I'm better off with the lower PSI and higher CFM. Does this mean it will run more?

Is this worthy of consideration?? Nice CFM.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200434327_200434327

 

[boosteddsm92]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Can someone tell me this isn't a good deal? I'm ready to buy and this looks like a beast...

http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Jenny-GC5A-60V-Air-Compressor/p3829.html

Or, I can go higher on the PSI and lower on the CFM...


http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Jenny-GT5B-60V-Air-Compressor/p3830.html

If I'm running tools, I think I'm better off with the lower PSI and higher CFM. Does this mean it will run more?

Is this worthy of consideration?? Nice CFM.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200434327_200434327

I have a similar model of the first link in your post, J5A-60, 5hp, 60gal, single stage. Jenny's site says 28.7 @ "125 PSI CFM Disp" and 19.0 "Del'd Air" for mine and 27.8 @ "125 PSI CFM Disp" and 17.8 "Del'd Air" for the first link in your post.

http://www.jennyproductsinc.com/stationary/electric1.html

It's similar but mine has a lower RPM, slightly higher output pump I guess? Here's mine. I'm loving it so far.

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

If you putting close to $2K, consider as a investment in the future.
Get 175 or so PSI.
Here is why:
your motor stops when pressure reaches 175PSI and starts around 140PSI
most of the tools using 120PSI. 5 PSI for drop for house and lubricator.
so set up regulator pressure for 125PSI

You have full tank of air 175PSI ->You working and consuming air-> pressure drops to 140PSI -> motor kick in and filling up tank.

Another words high (175PSI) pressure in the tank nothing to do with your tools. It is your buffer to have constant 120psi supply to your tool.

If you have low (120psi) pressure compressor you motor will run all the time, your tool will get lower pressure and lower productivity.

When do you need compressor with low pressure but huge CFM, you may ask?
Well, if you run tools which require lower then 120psi pressure. For example: paint guys run HVLP ( high volume LOW pressure) spay gun. They (painters) consuming TONs of air with no stop, but need only 40psi (or so)

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

QR series is the way to go...

80 gallon and 17+ CFM is a nice sweet spot.

I was doing my research. bmwpower, I am totally agree with you. I hate you guys. now I want only QR-25 !!!
Just got quote from dealer.
325 Reciprocating Air Compressor - $2,989
Required 5hp, 230/1/60 Magnetic Starter - $135
Cork and Rubber Pads - $0
Estimated Freight from Quincy, IL - $260
Total wapping $3,384
I DON'T think so.
Whell ... I am not backing up from QR-25 idea. I'm just not going through dealer.
Here are my options:

OPTION 1
Got this one (left pic) for $500.
370 pump;3-year old; burned 15Hp 3 phase motor.
Need:
1. travel 250 miles to get it
2. get 7.5 hp single phase motor
3. mag starter
4. smaller motor pulley to run 500-600 RPM on compressor pump
On this low RPM it will give me 23ACFM@500 rpm or 27.75ACFM@600rpm. BTW minimum rpm for 370 pump is 400

OPTION 2
Buy 325 pump. Pic on right. price $1,000
20 hours, almost new 325 pump.
Need:
1. 80-120 gal tank
2. 1750 rpm 1 phase 230V Baldor motor with pulley
3. mag starter
4. pressure switch
Will run it about 800-900 rpm. Will give me 16.6 ACFM @ 800 rpm OR 18.6 on 900 RPM.

OPTION 3
wait for other deal

What do you think?

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Climber, Either one will work but I will say this, if my 325 ever gives up the ghost, I would be buying another one that same week. It's more than enought for one person. If you ever plan on running a 4 man shop, that 370 pump will make a ton of air and be very quiet doing it.

A lot of people think the heads and unloaders on Quincy's are complicated but what they don't understand is that you can pull and clean the valves without pulling the head. It's makes it an easy job.

Edit: That 325 is also a late model, spin on oil filter model.

 

[bmwpower]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Build it. That's what i did. It's no 325, but it's pressure lubed.
$1000 for that one pump is good deal, especially if it's newer. That spin on filter option is pricey. I priced it for mine for shits and giggles and it was more than I had into my whole setup.

 

[airbuff101]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

My chicken cube before renovation. You can see two carpenters running around. They took deposit and gone ...

Oh Man! I had those same two carpenters!
I paid 'em and now I only see them at night, leaping and hopping the way they do.
I hate those guys!

Rob

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

On Friday I went to pickup 325 pump. I had money in my pocket. Just wanted to check last time. Then I am notes ed it says on label / tag 325QRB. Hmm...? QRB? I asked pump owner to give me a manual. Apparently "B" means it is climate control version of "QR" models.
So I called to dealer and he explained to me: Climate control pumps are almost the same, however, since climate control does not required high pressure (175) they design to save power on resistance-friction and QRB pumps have different tolerances and totally different ring sets. They (QRBs) design to run 100 psi and 125 psi max. And regular QR-25 pumps 175 psi with 200psi max.
***** ...

Now I need to start my research again. I am looking to other QR-25.

 

[nate379]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

So the guy gets to US in the truck of a car and not one person has said anything about that?

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

So the guy gets to US in the truck of a car and not one person has said anything about that?

Nope

Same like guy says

... truck of a car...

and not one person has said anything about that ether.

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Climber,

That *****..... I would have bought the pump as a backup if it had been in this area. Have you called your local dealer to see if they have a rebuilt pump available? Mine will often sell rebuilt pumps at a nice discount from the factory prices. You can sometimes get tanks the same way.

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Climber,

... they have a rebuilt pump available? Mine will often sell rebuilt pumps at a nice discount from the factory prices. You can sometimes get tanks the same way.

Hm !!! I never think about. Grate Idea!
Thanks buddy.

BTW if you are interesting I can give you guy's phone #. I think it is still available. It weights 295 lb + plate ~20 lb and + motor ~70-80 lb. get the quote for freight from zip code 03054.

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Just brain storming with numbers. Calculating how much ACFM Quincy QR-23 pumps will produce on different RPMs.

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Updated:
Pumps, RPMs and HPs for electrical motor.
Enjoy ...

 

[Papa Gill]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Joining this a bit late. You may already be basking in the luxury of 17.2 CFM but.... Quincy 251CS80VCB compressor is listed at http://www.airpump.com/apcoinv.htm at an inventory reduction price of $1451
Just stumbled across this site today. I don't know a thing about this company nor how old the listing is (Could be current, could be 2 years old). Bad news is the outfit is located in Grand Blanc, Michigan which is 740-900 miles away from you. Might be worth a call and maybe they can ship it for you or you could "U-Ship" it. Good luck.

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Joining this a bit late. You may already be basking in the luxury of 17.2 CFM ...

You are not late.
I am still looking for QR-25 family compressor.

but.... Quincy 251CS80VCB compressor is listed at http://www.airpump.com/apcoinv.htm at an inventory reduction price of $1451...

I don't want splash compressor. I'd like to have pressure lubricated. My goal to find 325, 340 or 350 compressor. Preferably dual.

 

[SurgeonGeneral]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

I run a QR-25 model 325, got it off craigs list for $300 its in great shape was hardly ever used. Built the whole setup myself and could not be happier. Best compressors in the world in my opinion!

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

SurgeonGeneral,
You point of view is not taking unless it's supported by picture(s).
Just kidding, but pics would be nice.

In winter I am running on very low budget, so this project was postponed.
However, now I back to it.
SurgeonGeneral please answer some questions:

Did you buy whole set (pump, motor, tank) or by parts and assembled?
Do you have filter on pump? How old? Any rebuilds? What is pump pulley diameter? How many RPM, CFM and PSI production?
What motor do you use? Make, model, RPM, voltage, HP, starter or VFD, how many AMP beaker, frame, what is diameter of output shaft? What is motor pulley diameter?
Air tank is it horizontal or vertical? How many gal?

After so many questions, do you feel sorry to joint this conversation?

 

[Climber]

Re: Introductery with compressor delema.

Joining this a bit late. ...

Never is too late to join this site.

...You may already be basking in the luxury of 17.2 CFM but....

No still looking for deal

... Quincy 251CS80VCB compressor is listed at http://www.airpump.com/apcoinv.htm at an inventory reduction price of $1451...

Thanks, but I am not interesting in QT5, though it's good price.

As I mention before, I am on tight budget in winter. So all my toys projects are stand-by until spring. Now I am back to it.

So far I design to get into Quincy QR-25 series. Models I chose 325, 340 or 350.
I got 2 tanks.
First is 1938 year tank 40-50 Gal, heavy as mother-kisser. I got from eBay for $25. Went with my Yars to pick it up. Bearly fit it.
See pictures. I sent it to my fabricator guy for media blasting. He also will put extreme duty primer. The first tank will horizontal and also work as compressor base.