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I've seen some talk of these on the forum; to guys that have them how do you like them? How are the groves in the open end? anyone have a picture of it? Comparing them to reg snap on's dimensions, all the lengths are the same. How is overall quality to snap on or wright? I'm torn between long sk, wright and these williams. Wright would be nice because theres a few places locally that sell them. And wright is 30 min from me for warranty. I wasn't overly impressed seeing them in person, they are nice though.
 
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My friend is a Cat Service Tech and has the CAT branded Williams wrenches.They are nice, and pretty thick on the beam so they are pretty comfortable to use.The added thickness really helps when you are tugging pretty good on the wrench,doesn't feel like it's cutting into the hand.They do have the modified open end,kinda like the FDP series.I'd say the modified open end is more towards the off corner engagement,rather than the grooves to bite into the fastener tho.I've watched him double the wrenches up for leverage and they don't seem to spread,or bend.I'm not really sure on the pricing of them new,but I'd say they are a very good wrench for the money.
 
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I have a couple of the Williams super combos, I really like them. One of these days I want to pick up a complete inch and metic set. If I had known about them when I originally was wrench shopping, I would have gotten them then.

They have a heavier beam then just about any combo wrench on the market. They are fairly heavy, weight wise, especially the larger ones like the 1-1/4.
The open end does work like the flank drive plus, and can chew the **** out of fasteners. They are a long pattern wrench, comparable to the S-O's in legnth, maybe a hair longer.

I'd say overall they are better then Snap-on (my opinion), if you take all of the features into account (The beam thickness, legnth & FDP style open end). The Snap-ons may have an advantace in being "slim" though.
 
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The open end does work like the flank drive plus, and can chew the **** out of fasteners. They are a long pattern wrench, comparable to the S-O's in legnth, maybe a hair longer.

Would you say thats a good feature or bad? Could be either I suppose. I'll still have my craftsman rp 6 and 12 pts if i don't want to chew something up. Yea the length is exactly the same as snap on's standard length. The heads are a hair thicker, not much.

stephen9666 thanks for the pic. Looks more impressive then wright's grooves but I'm sure they work too.

I'm looking for a set up to 1 1/4 and 24mm. I believe I found the Williams for 200, close to what the wrights go for. The sk long pattern, which now have grooves in the end, are a little more. $50 maybe.

How bout the box end? Anything special there?
 

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They're not as pretty as the Snap-on's but more industrial looking like the Proto with a satin finish. Little thicker on the beam as said above. No fear in smacking them with a hammer when needed. I like them and have several in my toolbox(s).
 
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Where did you see this? I've only seen a little teaser pic on the SK website. I didn't know it was actually in production.

Oh, I was assuming that then I guess from the picture. I thought it said something in the description but thats just about the suregrip on the box end.

They're not as pretty as the Snap-on's but more industrial looking like the Proto with a satin finish. Little thicker on the beam as said above. No fear in smacking them with a hammer when needed. I like them and have several in my toolbox(s).

They make them in polish too ya know?
 

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The box end has the normal flank drive style that everyone has on thier wrenches and sockets these days.

The open end will chew fasteners if they are really tight or if your reefing on them, they dont do it all the time, but it's something to be aware of. If you have a back up set with smooth open ends, you should be good.


I do have an S-K metric set (7-19) and they are nice wrenches too, But I still would like to get the Super combos sometime.
 

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I purchased my son a metric set of full polish JH Williams supercombo wrenches and myself a set of SAE full polish Wright combination wrenches for Christmas.They have not seen any hard use yet ,but they both appear to be very high quality (Snap On league)but much more reasonable in price.The Wrights are slightly shorter and have a flatter beam, both of these wrench sets are made for real work. The open and box ends on both brands appear flawless I will have to use them more before before I pass judgement on the open end flank drives. I feel this is more a marketing tool than a real advantage but time may change my opinion. I first looked at the matt finish Wrights and they are not very appealing, but the full polish Wright combos are beautiful as are the Williams. I suggest you buy one of each ,in a small, high use size, as the biggest difference is the shape and feel of the beam,then decide:beer:. Snap On is just to expensive for me.
 
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Dougd, cool you'll have to give us an update when you get some use on them. Thats a good idea about buying one of each, i might just have to do that.
 

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I am a huge williams tools fan as I always let everyone know on Williams threads but I had the opportunity to buy from a variety companies but I chose use polished super combo's my buddies have been so impressed they are getting some. They replaced my full set of Craftsman SAE and MM sets and now those are my off road wrenches. The williams are so well made and the length and width of the beam where what just sold them for me and ultimately how I found GJ.

Pull the trigger and you will no be disappointed.
 

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I have both Williams full polished supercombos and Snap on FDP metric wrenches. The biggest differences aside from price is weight and beam thickness. The williams wrenches are more like clubs than wrenches starting at probably 18mm and going up to 24mm. Still great wrenches and great for people than don't care for Snap on thin beams but with the extra weight, you lose balance and agility when swinging the wrench.:beer:
I get my williams tools here: www.toolsdelivered.com
 
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I'm a little confused, i thought i found the number for a full polish set up to 1 1/4 but i can only find it for satin. Do they sell the set in polish?
 

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I have the metric supercombos 7-19mm. I'm a professional tech and I love them. I would put them up against my snap-on's any day, as far as strength, and resistance to rounding fasteners. The plating quality is much thinner than my snappies though.

Overall I am VERY pleased with them, and actually just ordered a set of their flex-head ratcheting wrenches tonight to keep them company in my toolbox ;)
 
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Thanks, I think I figured it out now. The wrenches up to 1 1/4 are polish, 1 5/16 to 3 1/2 are satin. When I searched that number a lot of places describe it as satin but i think they re just confused. They arn't alone
 

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Thanks, I think I figured it out now. The wrenches up to 1 1/4 are polish, 1 5/16 to 3 1/2 are satin. When I searched that number a lot of places describe it as satin but i think they re just confused. They arn't alone

Yeah I'm looking at the catalog right now- you have it right. Everything above 1 1/4 is satin
 
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Well, you guys talked me into it, got the supercombo set on the way. Will take some pictures when they get here.
 
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How do the Williams wrenches compare to Bacho? Any chance they would be the same with a different label? Found a good deal on Amazon for a Bacho SAE set, and they are US-made according to the stock photo. Seen this set drop as low as $46, if it drops that low again I may have to pull the trigger...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004BJ0EM0/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Yep same thing, bahco and williams are both snap on industrial brands. You can tell by the unique cut down beam toward the open end too
 

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How do the Williams wrenches compare to Bacho? Any chance they would be the same with a different label? Found a good deal on Amazon for a Bacho SAE set, and they are US-made according to the stock photo. Seen this set drop as low as $46, if it drops that low again I may have to pull the trigger...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004BJ0EM0/?tag=atomicindus08-20
I have that set which is sold on Amazon. The only difference is they do not have the Flank Drive Plus style open end. You wont be disappointed I can tell you that.

Same wrench was used by Harley Davidson for their branded wrenches.
 
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Resurrecting this thread for some pictures. Snap-on chrome is better and the normal combination are even longer than the ratcheting wrenches. Williams are extremely hard to beat for the price, especially with a Zoro coupon. They have thick beams but I wouldn't call them clubs.
 

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Those thick beams on the Williams are uber comfortable. I prefer them over the S-o knife edges.

I wish the USA Williams metrics were available in satin finish.
 

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Those thick beams on the Williams are uber comfortable. I prefer them over the S-o knife edges.

I wish the USA Williams metrics were available in satin finish.

They used to have a somewhat satin finish, I completed a set my brother had ('05-'07 date code) with wrenches from Zoro, I was not really expecting them to be polished chrome.
 

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They used to have a somewhat satin finish, I completed a set my brother had ('05-'07 date code) with wrenches from Zoro, I was not really expecting them to be polished chrome.

The box they came in was labeled Satin wrenches. I guess they don't even realize they switched to polished chrome. :headscrat
 

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I was always under the impression the Supercombos where pretty long with thinner beams, but they look pretty beefy in those pics. I was going to pickup a set and compare them, but I might have to stick with the Wrights afterall.
 

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I have Supercombos. Excellent quality, US made. Full polish and thicker beams. I think the older ones may be different but the current production has pretty thick beams and are very comfortable.

The downside is the thicker wrench and thicker head can mean access issues on certain fasteners so you’ll still want a backup set of wrenches around to deal with special situations but for everyday use they are great wrenches.
 

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I was always under the impression the Supercombos where pretty long with thinner beams, but they look pretty beefy in those pics. I was going to pickup a set and compare them, but I might have to stick with the Wrights afterall.

They increase in thickness in proportion to the size. Somewhere around 16mm is where they become noticeably thick compared to Snap-on. I’ll do the same comparison with a smaller size when I get home from work today.
 

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As promised here are the same pictures with 14mm wrenches.
 

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As promised here are the same pictures with 14mm wrenches.

Thanks! Those 14mm look much more like the other pics I had seen. Now it makes my choice even harder. I've got small hands and actually dont mind smaller handles on tools or the thinner beams, and I love my Wright Grips but kinda wanted to pickup a SAE set and I'm stuck between super combos and the wrights. Tough choices haha
 

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There was a time I started building up a snap on collection because I was apart of the bandwagon and toughed it out paying for tools I couldn't actually afford. That's until I paid way too much for a 10 PC set of the flank drive plus wrenches. I dont like them at all, in fact I do everything I can to avoid using there open ends. I bought them under the impression that they would round off less fasteners then other wrenches. They seem like they round off just about half the fasteners I use them on.

That's just the open ends, the box ends are great. If I could go back, I probably would have at least considered other options first because box ends on wrenches are pretty hard to screw up these days as far as reputable brands go and they didn't exactly invent the wheel with FDP.

Plus I have a problem with losing the 13 and then finding it, just to loose it agian. That wrench is about the only tool that seems to evade any type of organization. Not exactly SO problem though.

I am considering picking up a set of the super combos as well, will probably be a while as its not high on my priorities.

Somethings to consider, that I feel gets lost in context here, is William's isnt apart of Snap On Discount Brands, its apart of Snap On Industrial Brands. Your gonna find things like 40 tooth ratchets, thicker beamed wrenches, sockets without large size stampings, etc because there meant for industrial/manufacturing environments, not professional/repair environments. Not saying that there not worth considering or are obsolete in a professional setting.

As someone stated earlier the beams get thicker as the sizes go up, something to consider which makes me wonder about the head sizes, but at some point your not going to run into as many clearance issues with larger size fastener heads anyways.

You can get the SAE William's wrenches in various colors which I think is a route I'm going to take if I get to it.
 
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As promised here are the same pictures with 14mm wrenches.

Not to nitpick, but why do the Williams' kind of neck down at the end of the beam on the open end? I noticed that on the 19mm picture you took and thought it might just be a reflection, but the 14mm has it too.

What's the point of the thicker beam if there is a thinner spot that looks machined out? I know some people like how the thick beams feel in the hand, so maybe that's it. But I don't get why they went out of their way to create a 'weak point' by thinning it out.
 

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Not to nitpick, but why do the Williams' kind of neck down at the end of the beam on the open end? I noticed that on the 19mm picture you took and thought it might just be a reflection, but the 14mm has it too.

What's the point of the thicker beam if there is a thinner spot that looks machined out? I know some people like how the thick beams feel in the hand, so maybe that's it. But I don't get why they went out of their way to create a 'weak point' by thinning it out.

It’s a good question. I initially thought it was to help with clearance issues but I’m not sure where it would make a difference.

It doesn’t look machined. I think it is part of the hammer forging process.
 

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Thanks! Those 14mm look much more like the other pics I had seen. Now it makes my choice even harder. I've got small hands and actually dont mind smaller handles on tools or the thinner beams, and I love my Wright Grips but kinda wanted to pickup a SAE set and I'm stuck between super combos and the wrights. Tough choices haha

It is a tough call. If you could get the Wright Grip style teeth in the Williams length it would be ideal. Always trade offs but having two great USA made choices for under $200 is pretty good.
 

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Seriously.

Slightly off topic...those SO reversible ratcheting wrenches look SWEET :drool:

I bought them one per month until I completed the set. That took a year, 8-19mm.

It is hard to justify the cost but I could at least rationalize it because there is nothing else like them. Great length, smallest profile on the ring end and the reverse lever is almost impossible to hit accidentally.
 
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