just got an est for vinyl siding.

[61falcon]

I was not expecting an est of $7300 for vinyl siding and two new gutters. My garage is 25x36 one story with a 16ft door, pretty straight forward job I would think. that was double what I was expecting. Am I wrong? I priced out doing the job myself and arrived at a little over $1000 in material but I'm sure there will be extra costs I didn't figure so I gave myself a window of $1500-2000 for everything if I do it myself.
I figure a contractor would get the material cheaper than I could and then factor in mark up and labor I expected an est of $3000-4000.

Has anyone else received est for siding, was this quote out of line??

 

[rieferman]

Get a few quotes, that will tell you what the going rate is in your area

 

[ddurrett896]

DIY and buy the vinyl from a supply house, not Home Depot.

I made that mistake on my 1st project and bought 2 square for $150 each - my neighbor paid $30/square at a local supply house

 

[icenfire01]

Didn't get an est for my house but I can tell you putting up vinyl siding was one of the easiest jobs Ive done so far. I cant believe labor would be 200% cost of materials but who know, could be.

 

[reader2580]

That price seems way out of line. That price is about what I paid to have my 53' x 26' house re-sided with LP Smartside and all of the soffit and fascia replaced. Vinyl siding would have reduced the price by several thousand.

 

[jkwilson]

Seems way over to me, but if anything is unusual like a lot of windows or other obstructions, uneven walls or you asked them to match another siding then it could explain it.

IMO, $5 a square foot is the gold plated price and he's way over that.

 

[Kamn]

That price is out to lunch
Call up other siding guys to come and give you a quote
Your initial estimate is in the general area of the price

 

[jkwilson]

DIY and buy the vinyl from a supply house, not Home Depot.

I made that mistake on my 1st project and bought 2 yards for $150 each - my neighbor paid $30/yard at a local supply house

I've never seen vinyl sold by the yard, but $30 a square yard would be a crazy high price. You get more than 20 square yards in a box for a little over $100.

 

[Adamski]

Vinyl siding, being petroleum based has gotten quite expensive over the past few years.

Does that include wrapping of the soffit/fascia with aluminum? Are they putting up tyvek or backer board?

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

While the price does seem high, there is a lot to doing vinyl properly. It really depends on how many extras there are on your place. 75%-90% of the job is prep. And proper installation wrb and flashing is of the utmost importance. You can pick up a booklet from the siding contractors association of alberta for $20; Building Envelope Tie in Details; An illustrated guide to proper preperation for exterior claddings. Your locals may have a similar booklet.

 

[ddurrett896]

I've never seen vinyl sold by the yard, but $30 a square yard would be a crazy high price. You get more than 20 square yards in a box for a little over $100.

Meant to say square - my bad!

 

[gungatim]

way too many unknowns...is it new construction? old clapboards to remove? does it need osb backer? include fan fold insulation on the outside? bunch of things factor into the labor side of it.

I would though go with the advice of getting material from a reputable supply house. in a few years if you need to replace some for whatever reason, you stand a much better chance of getting a matching pattern/color than from a box store with a supplier of the month mentality.

 

[CNGsaves]

Can't understand spending that kind of money on vinyl siding that will get all broke up first hail storm that rolls through.

I'd go with concrete siding that will last a lifetime. Buy a DeWalt shear and you'll have easy DIY job. Trim corners with 1x4 cedar and you'll have nice looking shop that will stay that way.

 

[Architorture]

seems like a pretty high number. i resided a rental property of mine a couple of years ago that was essentially a 40'x40'x20' box with 3 large gable ends and the material- vinyl siding (mid-range quality), vinyl soffit, aluminum coil, fan fold, lathe, nails- was about $5000.

it took me about a month to wrap all the window trim (~30 windows), wrap fascias, install fan fold and install siding on my own. a 1 story project like you described sounds like it could be a real breeze with you and a buddy.

get prices from a supplier for materials. you will do much better than the big box stores.

 

[sixty4]

This has nothing to do with your estimate, but if I did not see something like this I would of never believed it. We were working in an area that the homes were fairly close and the low e windows melted the siding off one of the units just like this. They had the window rep and siding rep scratching their heads trying to figure out who was responsible. I went with hardie board after that.

http://www.houselogic.com/blog/windows-doors/energy-efficient-windows-causing-siding-to-melt/

 

[CNGsaves]

^ ^ Not sure I believe the "low E window reflection laser beam" theory for the vinyl pictured above. That vinyl just looks like **** to begin with . . . . why spend money & effort putting that **** on ??

Friend's house got wiped out in Joplin, MO tornado couple years ago. The vinyl siding builder put on was such **** . . . homeowner decided to RE-SIDE the entire house 2 years later with a "better" quality vinyl !!

 

[Kevin54]

Falcon....where are you at in Ohio? If you are close enough, I'll help you out and we can knock it out in a day or two.

 

[jonjon1]

Vinyl siding is so easy, even the hardest stuff to install {small interlocks} is still so easy to do. If you were thinking about doing it yourself, put an add on c-list saying
"looking for a helper familiar with vinyl siding, will pay $20 an hour cash..."

Interview a few guys, pick the one that seems most qualified and you wont mind working with, then do it yourself...

I swear this should be a normal practice, I was talking to a friend of mine about starting a website that put "on the side" guys together with home owners that were just looking for a helper. I think contractors are out of their minds lately, before it was easy to find the guy that would bring a truck and a helper for $40 an hour, a couple guys {normally brothers, cousins, or friends}, that new carpentry, could move furniture, do landscaping, etc.. Where did all these guys go?

Do it yourself, I vote for doing everything yourself, pretty soon the town and cities are going to outlaw everything, you want be able to change your curtains without a permit and a licensed curtain changer..
Rant over.


Kevin54 was posting while I was, NOW THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT, good for your Kevin, FKING AWESOME....

 

[Firebird 1]

Siding is sold by the square, (100 square feet), typically there are 2 square in a box of siding. Get your siding from a roofing/siding supply house, not home depot. The siding that hd sells is a lesser quality, thinner guage.

 

[Tim The Tool Man]

O.P., Assuming I guessed your square foot measurement correctly, that price is at the high end of the average price according to my calculator:

Average cost to Install Vinyl Siding - 1600 square feet $5,409.45 to $7,575.16

 

[Kevin54]

O.P., Assuming I guessed your square foot measurement correctly, that price is at the high end of the average price according to my calculator:

Average cost to Install Vinyl Siding - 1600 square feet $5,409.45 to $7,575.16

At that size, and not taking out for doors or windows, you are looking at maybe 11 square. Figure $100/square which is high, you are looking at $1100 for siding. Add in the J's, corners, and such, you are looking at another $500 with quick figuring.

For less than $2000 you have all of your materials paid for. If you have the tools, it's a piece of cake to hang. The very worse thing I hate is just getting started with your starter strip, but once you have it level all the way around, it's just a matter of shitting and gitting. One cuts while one hangs.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Putting siding up is not that hard. It does take some patience making sure it's all correct without rushing the job.

Did the contractor have any windows to wrap ? Yuck.

I'd rough figure the job at about 13 sq of siding but the trim is where it can add up. I ordered house siding Wolverine Triple 3 at Carter Lumber in 2006. I bought the sidng for the garage a few years back, clearanced from Menard's and it's Monogram brand. Certain Teed makes both brands but I only paid about $35/sq for the garage.

 

[NUTTSGT]

At that size, and not taking out for doors or windows, you are looking at maybe 11 square. Figure $100/square which is high, you are looking at $1100 for siding. Add in the J's, corners, and such, you are looking at another $500 with quick figuring.

Were you figuring 8' walls Kevin ? I just roughed it with 10' walls to be safe. I also left the door out of it to take into account of the gable end.

 

[Kevin54]

Were you figuring 8' walls Kevin ? I just roughed it with 10' walls to be safe. I also left the door out of it to take into account of the gable end.

I figured 8' since the OP never specified.

And I know that you are up on what it takes also. I follow your thread to see and admire what you have done to you place by yourself. The pic that sticks in my mind is your concrete work to get a floor in your garage.

 

[NUTTSGT]

I figured 8' since the OP never specified.

I figured you did. When the OP said a 25x36 garage I just roughed it with 2.5 sq on the ends and 3.6 square front/back. The 16' door would be worth just over a sq.

 

[CTyankee]

At that size, and not taking out for doors or windows, you are looking at maybe 11 square. Figure $100/square which is high, you are looking at $1100 for siding. Add in the J's, corners, and such, you are looking at another $500 with quick figuring.

For less than $2000 you have all of your materials paid for. If you have the tools, it's a piece of cake to hang. The very worse thing I hate is just getting started with your starter strip, but once you have it level all the way around, it's just a matter of shitting and gitting. One cuts while one hangs.

I won't argue with you on the numbers Kevin.....and I certainly won't argue that installing vinyl siding is that hard to do. But I would agree with alwaysfloored that the prep is the most important part and if one doesn't understand drainage plans and proper flashing techniques, what the final job looks like doesn't mean much.

Also, all vinyl siding installations won't result in the same look even when using the exact same siding materials. I'm not fond of it myself, but done "right"(and at as higher cost) all vinyl siding installations are not created equal. Using composites for corners, skirts, facias, rakes and brick molding...while eliminating starter strips and j channels can make a huge difference. It all depends on what one wants/expects in the end.

 

[Notgrownup]

I installed all my vinyl myself on my 24 x 24... Never did it before and it was not that hard...
The soffits were the hardest part for me and I think I did ok...watched a lot of YouTube video and followed some sheet instruction.. I got 23% off from lowes , If you get more than $2500 the pro service wil give you a nice discount.

 

[99_xc600]

The price seems high, however if it's a good installer there should almost ZERO J channel being used in the install.

If you have a good installer who cares about the work and appearance, they will use the coil stock and the brake to fabricate the window capping and flanges out of a single piece of stock. When the job is done, there should be no J channel around the windows or doors. The only place you should see it is against the eves for the transition from the vertical to the soffit.

 

[99_xc600]

I won't argue with you on the numbers Kevin.....and I certainly won't argue that installing vinyl siding is that hard to do. But I would agree with alwaysfloored that the prep is the most important part and if one doesn't understand drainage plans and proper flashing techniques, what the final job looks like doesn't mean much.

Also, all vinyl siding installations won't result in the same look even when using the exact same siding materials. I'm not fond of it myself, but done "right"(and at as higher cost) all vinyl siding installations are not created equal. Using composites for corners, skirts, facias, rakes and brick molding...while eliminating starter strips and j channels can make a huge difference. It all depends on what one wants/expects in the end.

This is how a great job should look like. No J channel and perfect capping and brake work.

 

[61falcon]

Kevin, I appreciate the offer to help. I'm in Portage county. I have plenty of people that owe me favors that are willing to help knock this out so getting help is the easy part. I figured I would get some estimates and if they were low enough I would just have it done by a pro and not lose a weekend or two doing siding but it seems the logical choice is do it myself and save a lot of money.
The garage has 7 inch wood slats running horizontal. I know I need to install vertical furring strips but what do I put between them to keep the siding level?

 

[Notgrownup]

More horizontal slats would be my choice.

 

[stage20]

80 a square for install here. If you need a roll of aluminum for fascia and eves figure in around 400 to 600 just right here. Price sounds high, but you don't want to save a grand and have an idiot do it.

 

[Kevin54]

Kevin, I appreciate the offer to help. I'm in Portage county. I have plenty of people that owe me favors that are willing to help knock this out so getting help is the easy part. I figured I would get some estimates and if they were low enough I would just have it done by a pro and not lose a weekend or two doing siding but it seems the logical choice is do it myself and save a lot of money.
The garage has 7 inch wood slats running horizontal. I know I need to install vertical furring strips but what do I put between them to keep the siding level?

You cover the entire area with fan board. It is a 3/16" or 1/4" folded up Styrofoam panel. This levels out your entire surface. And one thing also, vinyl siding hangs, and IS NOT nailed tight. The siding is nailed in the middle of the nail slots, and the siding has to slide. I watched two guys side a house using a nail gun. It was bad enough when it was cool out, but when it warmed up outside, good god, it looked like a hedge apple with all of the bumps. You also want to have either a table saw, or a power miter saw, a fine plywood blade mounted backwards. this gives you a nice clean cut. A blade running forward will chew up your siding.

A little off topic, but since you are up in the corner of the state, any intentions of going to the Canfield swap meet? A group of members are going to meet up on the 2nd around 10:00. If so, Ratdoggy has a thread in Free Parking. The more members the better. And we usually go chow down somewhere afterwards. Just don't tell me it's too far of a drive. I have a three hour drive Hope to see you there if you can make it.

 

[Adamski]

This has nothing to do with your estimate, but if I did not see something like this I would of never believed it. We were working in an area that the homes were fairly close and the low e windows melted the siding off one of the units just like this. They had the window rep and siding rep scratching their heads trying to figure out who was responsible. I went with hardie board after that.

http://www.houselogic.com/blog/windows-doors/energy-efficient-windows-causing-siding-to-melt/

Had the exact same thing happen on one of my old jobs. Nobody could figure out who to blame....

 

[wssix99]

^ Yea. We need to know the cost per square foot.

 

[61falcon]

Kevin, Canfield is a maybe. My brother in law and I were just talking about going but he works Saturdays.

 

[rburke65]

Thinking Friday for me and will see about the rest of the weekend.

 

[jd_1138]

I would do it myself if I were you. Save $6,000 and end up with a better installation probably. Or find a more reasonable contractor.

 

[edcantu9]

I have a question regarding siding and soffit. Can I do the soffit later on do I have to do it before the siding?

What does about the garage door trim?

 

[scottydosnntkno]

Vinyl siding is so easy, even the hardest stuff to install {small interlocks} is still so easy to do. If you were thinking about doing it yourself


I swear this should be a normal practice, I was talking to a friend of mine about starting a website that put "on the side" guys together with home owners that were just looking for a helper. I think contractors are out of their minds lately, before it was easy to find the guy that would bring a truck and a helper for $40 an hour, a couple guys {normally brothers, cousins, or friends}, that new carpentry, could move furniture, do landscaping, etc.. Where did all these guys go?

Do it yourself, I vote for doing everything yourself, pretty soon the town and cities are going to outlaw everything, you want be able to change your curtains without a permit and a licensed curtain changer..
Rant over.


Kevin54 was posting while I was, NOW THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT, good for your Kevin, FKING AWESOME....

They went out of business or broke, realizing they weren't making any money. Or the homeowners realized they were getting **** work and **** results.

For $40/hr, I'd rather sit at home. That's just me, definitely not including an employee.

Put it this way, before I even leave my house in the morning, I have about $112/day or 14/hr in insurance, bonds, licenses, truck payments, fuel, overhead, office expenses, payroll expenses, etc.

Oh, and we're booked out with deposits on jobs 11 weeks right now. So there are people out there who appreciated a professional quality job, not joe blow and his third cousin