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slopecarver

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Hate cracks appearing in your concrete floor? Hate dealing with those expansion joints? I just stumble across a technology that I had learned about years ago watching the history channel, It's called post-stressed concrete. The following was written before I had looked for the wiki which can be found here.

So as many of you already know and everybody should know, concrete ***** in tension and rocks in compression. So how do you keep an entire concrete slab in compression? You run cable through it and tension the cable with a few tens of tons of force.

Skip this paragraph for the gravy.
Bonded post-stressed concrete slabs are primarily for production work, say bridge pilings like those on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge,
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which were made using this process and also an interesting centrifugal casting process. The concrete is cast into a tube with evenly spaced holes placed radially around the tube and through it's entire length. After the concrete has been cast, cables are snaked through the holes, secured on one end and tensioned on the other end while grout is pumped into the holes and allowed to set. The cable is then released and the excess cut off. A simpler method, Pre-stressed concrete is where they stretch the cables then pour the concrete however the forms must be small otherwise the tons of force on the cables would crush the forms.

Unbonded Post-stressed concrete is generally done on-site, commonly in buildings but sometimes used on a smaller scale such as house slabs and in our case, garage slabs. I haven't done any research in terms of cost however is should only be marginally more expensive and you'll never need to deal with cracking again. One end of a cable is anchored into the side of a slab, the other end sticks through the side of the slab/form with a special backing plate. The cable is inside a plastic greased tube to allow it to stretch during the tensioning process. The concrete is then poured and allowed to set, then the cables are stretched with a hydraulic ram and held in place with a circular wedge. here's a LINK explaining how it's done.

Benefits:
Less/No Rebar
No stress relief cuts
No cracking in the future

Cons:
Requires unique equipment $
More set-up time (maybe) $
Requires knowledgeable contractor $$
Blowout

Disclaimer: I have ZERO experience with any of this.
 
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Bruce4310TX

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well they use post-tension slabs for homes here in TX they crack and shift like crazy the home industry loves it cause it saves the expense and labor of rebar. it might work for industrial applications where the inspections mean something but in home construction its **** my house is only 10 yrs old and has to be fixed il be getting that done next year. thousands upon thousands of home here in the metroplex are cracked and shifted. in commercial the standards are higher and the concrete psi is much higher so it lasts. use re-bar if you can.
Its not the miracle it might seem to be. oh yeh and the cables break after its been set no way to fix that, just prep the pad correctely and use lots of rebar it will still crack but should not shift,,,,,,Remember All concrete Cracks. no matter what method is used.
 
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Kma4444

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Think I'd worry a bit about my slab flying to pieces during the stressing procedure. The vids look pretty bad
 
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bgott

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I think that would **** for a shop floor. What happens if you want to bolt down a lift or a piece of equipment and you drill through one of the cables with a hammer drill?
 

alberto

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To my knowledge, this is used mostly on very large structures such as bridges, etc. This typically makes little or no sense for relatively small applications like homes, etc. There is a definite art to this method and as someone posted above, if not done right, the results can be, well, disappointing.
 

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You will get a huge suprise if you drill or cut thru these cables. Also poor workmanship is not the only reason concrete cracks.
 

Falcon67

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well they use post-tension slabs for homes here in TX they crack and shift like crazy the home industry loves it cause it saves the expense and labor of rebar. it might work for industrial applications where the inspections mean something but in home construction its **** my house is only 10 yrs old and has to be fixed il be getting that done next year. thousands upon thousands of home here in the metroplex are cracked and shifted. in commercial the standards are higher and the concrete psi is much higher so it lasts. use re-bar if you can.
Its not the miracle it might seem to be. oh yeh and the cables break after its been set no way to fix that, just prep the pad correctely and use lots of rebar it will still crack but should not shift,,,,,,Remember All concrete Cracks. no matter what method is used.

As an old Fort Worth guy - what he said. Post tension is **** IMHO, would not use it for anything even a dog house. Gimme rebar.
 

m.james

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i've since heard there are 2 types of concrete, cracked concrete and concrete about to crack

Yes this is correct as cracking as a result of concrete shrinking. I'm not sure that we will ever figure out how make concrete last forever.
 

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I will tell you in the early 80's, there was a boat load of homes thrown up in Houston using this method. Fast and Cheap.
And will testify the developer was just looking for a level slab to frame on, they were not concerned with longevity. There was a boom going on and they wanted to get theirs while the getting was good.

Brian L.
 

59 wagon man

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this is used a lot down here on multistory office and apartment buildings . have only heard about guys drilling into the floor and pop goes the cable breaks out the side of the building what a mess . we have to xray slabs if the building may use cables
 

Bruce4310TX

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To my knowledge, this is used mostly on very large structures such as bridges, etc. This typically makes little or no sense for relatively small applications like homes, etc. There is a definite art to this method and as someone posted above, if not done right, the results can be, well, disappointing.

This method is actually very common in home construction with slab on grade but its nowhere as good as used in commercial construction. Home construction is pure ****.
 
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