Just wow... Very sad.

[PelicanPines]

Ask the local building department if they know any good drawers

 

[yeldogt]

Sorry they are different styles

The dutch colonial was once widely popular and has an old history in the USA ... they are tricky to add onto ... but, yes the roof lines are similar. It allowed for greater second floor head room with shorter lumber ....

Ofttimes the additions get rotated and a different roof line is used .. did you modify the portico? I own a stucco dutch in SA

 

[SgtHawkUSMC]

Sorry they are different styles

The dutch colonial was once widely popular and has an old history in the USA ... they are tricky to add onto ... but, yes the roof lines are similar. It allowed for greater second floor head room with shorter lumber ....

Ofttimes the additions get rotated and a different roof line is used .. did you modify the portico? I own a stucco dutch in SA

No apologies necessary! Opinions are just that. Yes, with the house being a mostly original 1730 home, it's tricky. I'm building mine at ~60 degree angle off to the left with the gable end towards the road. Opposite what the house is. The dutch colonial has the oldest history in the USA if you think about it. The Moore house in Yorktown where the surrender was signed by the British is a dutch colonial. It looks almost identical to ours. I'm from New England, so I know there are older styles. Just being funny...

 

[ddurrett896]

I'm in southeast VA and professional plans aren't needed for a garage. All they need is a hand drawn layout showing the material and they check the load calc on the joists.

Trusses come with a stamp that's acceptable.

Hell, I went in front of a board at the courthouse to request a variance with a hand sketched drawing and got approved

 

[SgtHawkUSMC]

I'm in southeast VA and professional plans aren't needed for a garage. All they need is a hand drawn layout showing the material and they check the load calc on the joists.

Trusses come with a stamp that's acceptable.

Hell, I went in front of a board at the courthouse to request a variance with a hand sketched drawing and got approved

I'm a little north of Williamsburg. I'm sure I could get approved with a hand sketch. The Build Insp said all I really needed was a basic drawing with a view looking at a wall to show how I would frame the doors and windows. Size of studs etc. Nothing fancy. I'm going to go with the plans just as a little more of a how too. Materials list will be helpful too even though I have one from the Menards on line program. I'm pretty good at building, but haven't built something this big yet. If it weren't a gambrel, I wouldn't sweat it. Not that the gambrel really is tricky... It's not so much for them as for me.

 

[Moose97]

We have some companies here locally that will draw up a set of "architectural type" plans without actually having the architects stamp. It's a good way to go.

 

[SgtHawkUSMC]

We have some companies here locally that will draw up a set of "architectural type" plans without actually having the architects stamp. It's a good way to go.

Thanks. That's what this is really. I think it will end up working out better in the end.

 

[yeldogt]

The earliest examples hid the roof line behind a false facade (typically brick) -- that's why you see variations placed in every direction. The vast majority built in the USA are modern -- dutch revival. The point of the original design was to hide the roof -- those positioned with the roof on display from the side as your house used balance to hide the roof midpoint -- with a cedar roof that point had the roof line extend past w/ larger split shakes

Early settlers to the USA had no timber shortage -- even with the big stuff going to the crown -- finding long timbers was not a problem .. lifting them was. In PA they built them of stone and few remain in the original state as they often were one story.

Have you thought of making it look more like a barn ?

 

[SgtHawkUSMC]

Ours originally had scalloped cedar shakes. Unfortunately the previous owner stripped them just before we bought it. They appeared to be in good condition too... I now have to re-do what they did as they did a poor roofing job on the lower portion. Upper is metal.
As far as making it look like a barn, yes, that's the plan. I couldn't think of anything looking more like a barn than a gambrel. I plan on having three 10x10 garage doors that appear to be classic barn doors towards the front. I'm also planning on clapboard siding like the house or possibly vertical tongue and groove. Eventually I'd like to connect the garage to the "L" via a breezeway/mud room. It would make for a nice size room.

 

[ratdoggy]

She's probably a real cutie. Or, the bosses daughter?

Maybe a plaything for a trustee?

 

[yeldogt]

Ours originally had scalloped cedar shakes. Unfortunately the previous owner stripped them just before we bought it. They appeared to be in good condition too... I now have to re-do what they did as they did a poor roofing job on the lower portion. Upper is metal.
As far as making it look like a barn, yes, that's the plan. I couldn't think of anything looking more like a barn than a gambrel. I plan on having three 10x10 garage doors that appear to be classic barn doors towards the front. I'm also planning on clapboard siding like the house or possibly vertical tongue and groove. Eventually I'd like to connect the garage to the "L" via a breezeway/mud room. It would make for a nice size room.

There is nothing as expensive as restoring an old building -- traditional building supplies are expensive -- slate and shakes .. wood windows ..etc. All to often the original details get removed and replaced .. just never look quite right.

Many of the "barns" built today -- look more like big sheds. The picture above has some competing design items.



I'm an old building nut .. here is the old damaged roof of my current project - built in 1873 -- and the new replacement.

 

[SgtHawkUSMC]

There is nothing as expensive as restoring an old building -- traditional building supplies are expensive -- slate and shakes .. wood windows ..etc. All to often the original details get removed and replaced .. just never look quite right.

Many of the "barns" built today -- look more like big sheds. The picture above has some competing design items.



I'm an old building nut .. here is the old damaged roof of my current project - built in 1873 -- and the new replacement.

Now that's what I'm talking about! Beautiful roof. I'd love to go with slate. Unfortunately the Rockefeller's left me out of their will. ;-)

 

[bobj49f2]

The OP's original post reminded me of a story an acquaintance told me. He wanted to add onto his garage but to do he would have to violate the setback of the one side of his property. He went to the local municipality to get a variance. A group from the building department came to inspect his property to see if it would work. One member was grousing about how he couldn't see how it could work. The acquaintance walked over to see what the problem was. He looked over the grouser's shoulder, took the drawing, turned it 180° and gave it back.

 

[yeldogt]

Now that's what I'm talking about! Beautiful roof. I'd love to go with slate. Unfortunately the Rockefeller's left me out of their will. ;-)

This building had a simple two flat plane roof -- very steep ... but, nothing crazy like the wacky suburban houses built in many parts of the country today. It's still expensive to do slate ... this was just over 3k per square. Slate costs are actually lower than many years ago ... more mechanized quarry equipment etc. This is Buckingham from VA .... its a vey high quality slate and has grown in popularity .. so much so that a quarry reopened a few years back. With the labor so high only the better slates are worth buying .. this has closed many quarries. Years ago when labor was less expensive and moving slate was so hard ... it was a regional product. This building is in PA -- PA had many many quarries .. but, the slate was not a long lived .. so they are all gone.

The labor has really hit cedar roofing -- there is less really high quality cedar around and the labor cost while not as high as slate ... is up there. A really top cedar roof can last past 60 years ... quality slate is past 200. I helped restore a cedar roof of your design many years ago on a building from the mid 1700's -- it's part of a living history site not far from valley forge .. your building has a simple elegance .. form had to follow function.

 

[SgtHawkUSMC]

Wow. $3k per square? That's just not right... Unfortunately, although it might be what I end up with, I've always disliked cedar. It looks beautiful at first, but then when it greys, it's just not what I like. We go to Colonial Williamsburg a couple of times a month and see some of the beautiful roof restorations. I'd love to have them come up and do my roof... They make their own scalloped shakes locally according to a roofer I was talking to down there. Metal roofs are big around here and that's what someone did on our top roofs prior to the 30s.

 

[ddurrett896]

You ought to be able to get trusses made to the exact dimensions you want. I ordered my material thru 84 Lumber and got my trusses from Riverside Roof Truss about 2.5 hours south of Richmond.

Riverside will only sell thru a retailer like 84 Lumber however you can contact Riverside for any alterations. I went back and forth with them three times till the plans were right then the final copy was sent to 84 and paid for.

 

[SgtHawkUSMC]

You ought to be able to get trusses made to the exact dimensions you want. I ordered my material thru 84 Lumber and got my trusses from Riverside Roof Truss about 2.5 hours south of Richmond.

Riverside will only sell thru a retailer like 84 Lumber however you can contact Riverside for any alterations. I went back and forth with them three times till the plans were right then the final copy was sent to 84 and paid for.

Thanks for the name. I'll keep them in mind.