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hemdale

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Thanks a lot Ash, so the 87 22 250 is the evolution of the 87 05 250.

If I had to get one, should I definitely go for the 87 22 250 which seems to be more convenient to use ?

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Coolio, one more question.

What do you think of :

NWS 166-69-250
NWS 1661-69-250 Quattrogrip

I have some tools already from NWS but I've recently purchase the Knipex 86 05 250 wrench and the PVC cutter 86 05 250... I've been VERY impressed by the overall build quality.

I have a this at the moment:

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... which is a PITA when it comes to adjust it to different widths.
 

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The NWS ones are great as well, I would say between NWS and Knipex they are both great tools and you couldn't go wrong either way. Between the 166 and 1661 the 1661 has better grip and offers the quick set adjust so you do not have to press the button like the 87 22 25
 
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Coolio, one more question.

What do you think of :

NWS 166-69-250
NWS 1661-69-250 Quattrogrip

I have some tools already from NWS but I've recently purchase the Knipex 86 05 250 wrench and the PVC cutter 86 05 250... I've been VERY impressed by the overall build quality.

I have a this at the moment:

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... which is a PITA when it comes to adjust it to different widths.
The NWS Quattro grips are nice. I noticed a couple things though.

They have teeth covering the entirety of both top and bottom jaw. These teeth are non directional, as in they will tighten and loosen with the same gripping power without having to flip your pliers around. The idea is they give you four points of contact on your workpiece. This is not always true... In most situations with different sized diameter pipes I was only able to achieve 3 points of contact. Only 3 sets of teeth actually bit down on said pipe. These pliers are also not self locking, a feature that their tooth pattern will not allow.
I think the self locking ability of the knipex pliers is inherited, thanks to the pipe wrench style tooth design.
Unlike the Quattro grips, the knipex alligator and cobra pliers teeth are directional...you have bite down locking power in only one direction, tightening lets say. If you wish to now loosen your workpiece then you would have to take your pliers off and flip them around so that your handles are pointed away from you. Note these knipex pliers only boast two sets of teeth, save the small crimping teeth in the back, I believe.
I love my nws made Klein's, which are a Quattro grips clone, but if I really want to bite down and turn a pipe that won't budge, the knipex are the go to, or even the Irwin groove locks, which also self lock and bite down like a pit bull. Channellock grip locks are another good choice.
Hope this helps.
 

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I find that the quick set has a tendency to self adjust accidentally when you're in the middle of working on something, that's why I prefer the regulars.
 

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I find that the quick set has a tendency to self adjust accidentally when you're in the middle of working on something, that's why I prefer the regulars.

YES!!!!

I have a pair of quick adjusts and I hate them! Every time I get them out I start swearing and throw them, then go get a pair of the regular ones. They always adjust up too small and you have to re-adjust them 4 times with both hands. Then, half way through using them you have to repeat the process all over again, because you opened the jaws and they self-adjusted. If you are actually using your other hand to hold what you are working on, its basically impossible to complete the job. :mad::mad:

Have about 6 pairs of non-quick adjust and they are way better than channellocks. Absolutely love them.
 

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I would only wonder if the adjustments made to make it self adjusting weakened the holding power by altering the tooth/engagement/etc shape. However, I wouldn't expect Knipex to sacrifice too much for the sake of a finger-snap's-worth of easier adjustability.
 
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Thanks for your input guys.

Just received the NWS Quattro 1661-12-320 which is a hefty piece of kit !
I will try to see how the Knipex are just to have a fair comparison...
 
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