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Knipex... WTF?

dutchgray

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Carpenters pincers/nippers are best if you're doing enough carpentry to justify buying a pair. Low cutting force makes it easy to grab nails and the head is a good bit larger than regular end nippers so it's better for prying without damaging the wood.

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Regards knipex in general they're a mixed bag. Some class leading products and others where you'll find better price and/or performance elsewhere.

This, carpenters pincers are what you need for pulling small trim nails out of trim. Luckily here in the UK you can pick up a good used English made pair for pennies at a car boot sale, I have several pairs, they are very common.
Here Knipex's reputation was built on their VDE diagonal cutters, pretty much standard issue with the electricians by about 1990.
 
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Luckily here in the UK you can pick up a good used English made pair for pennies at a car boot sale, I have several pairs, they are very common.

Used English ones are great if you can find some. IIRC the English ones also have a nail pulling claw on one of the handle ends too.

Here Knipex's reputation was built on their VDE diagonal cutters, pretty much standard issue with the electricians by about 1990.

That and the tool trucks started carrying Knipex around the same time. And FWIW the US is 20+ years behind the UK when it comes to insulated hand tools. I use some over here by choice but I've never been required to have them.
 
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I think I have more questions about your kitchen than the Knipex Diagonals. First of all, who has a kitchen that friggin' clean (not a dirty plate, wrapper, or even a crumb to be found, anywhere)?... looks like something out of the Property Brothers episode, and maybe even nicer. Why were you messing with a custom island? Seems like a tremendous amount of work, especially since it has a built in sink and heavy granite top, and I'm not sure for what gain (just wondering). That single piece granite slab must weigh a ton, so how did you handle that in order to cut the island height? The ceiling is interesting as well - did you do that, yourself? Finally, that refrigerator you have is quite a piece... looks like a $10K German Liebherr. You should start a thread on just your damn kitchen. Very impressive... :bowdown:.

LOL, it's only that clean because my wife snapped the photo about 30 seconds after we finished it up, before we cooked our first meal in it.

We actually tore out most of the existing island, which was a dual-height design that really boxed in the kitchen. Granite was dark, dated, and cracked- the wife really wanted it counter height so.... I removed the existing granite countertops, cut down the plumbing wall, relocated the plugs and switches, removed the alder face frames , completely dismantled the frame and panels (that's where pulling hundreds of brads came into play) , cut everything down and reassembled it, added the columns, corbels and a new plywood sub-top. Interesting fact was the island (and the entire house) is all steel frame construction. The new counters are quartzite -a natural stone that look like marble but is harder than granite. To install it we also had to remove the bottom row of backsplash tiles on the rest of the kitchen to remove the existing countertops. (HF 1.5 ton aluminum floor jack and a 31" long 4x4 made quick work of popping those up) My wife did all the staining and finishing- she's much better at it than I am. No seams in the granite anywhere- single slab for the island, second slab went into the back counters. It was heavy- I helped the installers roll the island slab over and into place.

Appliances were already in place when we bought the house- GE Monogram.

This is a big custom house that had been seriously neglected- deferred maintenance, pet damage, etc-and needed a bunch of work. (LX Cam saw it the day after we bought it, before we started the remodeling )
The place was built with incredible attention to design details- all travertine floors, custom multi-level coffered ceilings, stone columns, massive wood beams, etc throughout. The kitchen remodel needed to complement the rest of the custom features. We had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to buy the place at a huge discount in May , have taken care of the maintenance issues, done some minor remodeling, and just moved in a couple of weeks ago.
 

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And, for the naysayers and Knipex fanboys, here's the requested picture of the big old honkin' 18 gage brads that incapacitated these fine German pliers- and the force it now takes to open/close them.

Love 'em all you want, insist I misused them, but I'm done with Knipex pliers.
Do like their mini bolt cutters, though. :thumbup:
 

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Ive found my knipex diagonals and lineman pliers to be near indestructible. Right now I’m beating up some NWS stuff and they are holding up fine so far.

For the record - i believe Knipex makes different diagonals for different uses. Some are just rated for lesser thing like plastic and stuff. That said - everything has its limits. Ya never know till it fails - and its usually on something where you really dont know what it is.

Not saying it isnt there, but i dont see any nicks in the jaws in that pic. Didnt read the whole thread - but is it the jaws that got nicked or are the handles just though to open? If its just the handles just try grabbing the twisting the handled while you open and closes em, or throwing some valve grinding compound in the rivet and give them a workout.
 
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That dip **** on Youtube......Wranglerstar just put up a video today where he 'compared' Knipex Bolt cutters with a $25 pair of China ones from Amazon.
He tried to cut hardened chain, Titanium rod and Carbide rod. Clueless about what BOLT CUTTERS are intended for I guess. But the China ones actually did better and took a bit more abuse than the K brand.
 

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And, for the naysayers and Knipex fanboys, here's the requested picture of the big old honkin' 18 gage brads that incapacitated these fine German pliers- and the force it now takes to open/close them.

Love 'em all you want, insist I misused them, but I'm done with Knipex pliers.
Do like their mini bolt cutters, though. [emoji106]


You can send them to me. I'll pay shipping. Those are nice pliers with insulated grips. I bet I could get them going again.

Here's a pair of 1914 Keenkutter lineman's I restored.

This Knipex would be a cakewalk. :beer:


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I had a brand new pair of knipex side cutters, and was cutting a thick bunch of stretch wrap from a skid, a piece of stretch wrap got into the joint from the cutting end. I opened and closed them a bunch of times and started seizing up, so bad they were creeking. Took alot of force to move them. So i... torched the **** out of the joint basically turning the plastic to ash, or hard at least.Turned the metal straw/blue, but whatever. Sprayed some penetrating fluid in the joint. Worked it open and closed. Could hear the grinding. And they eventually went back to normal. A small piece of shrink wrap almost ruined mine
 

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Finally, that refrigerator you have is quite a piece... looks like a $10K German Liebherr.

Since I'm here, a side note. I am constantly amazed at how midgrade (and that's being generous: Liebherr is actually a low-end-of-midgrade sub-brand, engineered specifically for the 'value-but-solid' market since at least the turn of the century) European brands manage to market themselves as something exclusive and worth $10k stateside.

Goes with certain German tools, I guess .. :)
 
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And, for the naysayers and Knipex fanboys, here's the requested picture of the big old honkin' 18 gage brads that incapacitated these fine German pliers- and the force it now takes to open/close them.

Love 'em all you want, insist I misused them, but I'm done with Knipex pliers.
Do like their mini bolt cutters, though. :thumbup:

Have you tried cutting the same brads with a similar diagonal plied like channellocks or Kliens? The cutting edges from what I can see appear undamaged, for them to stiffen/seize up the handle or pin join must have bent correct?
 

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Have you tried cutting the same brads with a similar diagonal plied like channellocks or Kliens? The cutting edges from what I can see appear undamaged, for them to stiffen/seize up the handle or pin join must have bent correct?

My leatherman does this all the time. Any hard binding at the joint and they become really stiff. Its just the handles finding a spot on the rivet that hasn’t been worn down.. some twisting while opening and they are fine.

The jaws on the correct model knipex cutters are some of the hardest you can find. I cant see them being damaged from such a small nail. A rough spot on the rivet is something else all together.

Really small, really hard objects like that are where something like the NWS fantastico cutters shine. They were made exactly for such a task.

I didnt research part numbers - but if those are insulted handles (looks like a flash guard towards the top), and with Knipex offering various models offering differing hardness of cutters, if the jaws got damaged - one might speculate those might be rated for only cutting soft metal like copper and aluminum. Intended for electrical work.

This is pure speculation mind you. The only way to know for sure is to look them up, but even marketing can be deceiving with some brands. My Knipex cutters have always held up, but Channellock is a good example of this. Even rated for cutting hard piano wire, I ruined a brand new set of their cutters in one day at work. I got like 2 pages worth of sarcastic remarks from the Channellock cult followers telling me i used the wrong pliers - until i posted the email response directly from channellock clarifying that there is no difference in the quality of steel used, or the hardness of the jaws for any model of their diagonal cutters. Models vary only by size, type to joint, and style of head only.
As you can imagine - there were no more responses after that.
 
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I had a similar problem with mine. I wasnt using them hard and they just started binding. I was going to get them warrantied but soaked them in ATF overnight. Worked just fine in the morning and have for 6 months. Still not sure what caused it.
 

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I've had a pair of Klein cutters and my Dad had a Snap-on needle nose (pre talon) have the joint rivet "turn" to where they were very stiff. You could tell the issue as the laser etching was not lining up on the rivet and jaw. Oiling and use got them working fine.
 

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I have a few Knipex pliers, all have served me well. For pulling nails, I've had really good luck with Crescent NP-11 nail pulling pliers
 

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End nippers would be the right tool for pulling nails, not dykes. That being sad, I would think they'd handle pulling finish nails without trouble.
 
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