Kyle's Garage Project

[55cadillacking]

This is a 5-star thread if ever I saw one.

 

[G20-Budo]

Kyle -
Here are the links to the ones I found and used to calculate my lighting needs.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150938


It sends you to this article(which is great) about how to calculate how much light you need.
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/content.php?146-Lighting-the-Small-Workshop-by-Jack-Lindsey

Thanks Paul, I couldn't remember which thread I saw those in, it was YOURS. Thanks buddy.

Great start. You're going to have an awesome work space once the 'junk' is sorted and dealt with. Its a constant problem I have too

For organization, I found it useful to draw inspiration from typical hardware store sections ("paint department", "plumbing", etc)

Kyle,

I wanted to offer you some encouragement. You've got some work ahead of you, but you are in the right place! Lot's of helpful tips here, lots of great folks to spur you on. Keep at it.

I see that someone gave you a 1 start rating. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I feel that such action is a little uncalled for. It is discouraging to post up your challenge and your work and then have it so quickly devalued by someone. I say keep up the great work and you'll get there. You'll have some days you win and some days you lose, but any day you get to be out there is a good day.

If you ever need any advice, thoughts or a friendly 'push', feel free to PM me anytime.

Now, about that rating...

This is a 5-star thread if ever I saw one.

Thanks guys.. as usual, great encouragement, and inputs. I've been on forums for a number of years, and one gets a feel for the kind of people that are on them by how helpful and understanding they are. You guys have all been so cool, AND you guys provide GREAT tips. I feel lucky just to be able to get to know you all.

As for the star rating deal, to be honest Red Leader, I didn't even notice it? Thanks for your kind words (and your comment Rick). One day perhaps my garage will look better and be worthy of mention with some of your VERY impressive garages. In the mean time, I'm with what you said Red Leader (heard Rick say it too in his thread)... just being able to spend more time out there has been enjoyable.

I'm feeling more and more OCD all the time. I came home from dinner with the family tonight, and for the second night in a row, the family went inside and I grabbed a tape measure and started measuring to see if a planned move will work or not?

I have cleaned up a few other items, but I really need to get a shed sooner than later to get changes made you guys will notice. In the mean time it's cleanup, measure and move.

 

[G20-Budo]

Ok. so I made some progress tonight. I packed up two items to be shipped to a friend out of state (some extra $, and now they're out of my garage).

I also looked around and found about 15 black globs on the floor (either candy, or grease clumps, gum or something)..

I went at them with a scraper and cleaned them all up. I also threw out some boxes and other junk. Little by little it's getting better.

I also took a pic of my garage from the door way to the house, to be used for a comparison later.

If you look closely you can see a few of the globs on the floor (which are cleaned now).

I believe I have a plan for lighting. I think I'll install a total of 6 of the 4' two bulb florescent light fixtures (I currently have two). Then expand with 2-4 more in the future. That should give me PLENTY of light. In order to do this, I really should run another electrical circuit or two. Lucky for me, the breaker box is just outside the garage wall.

More progress as I have it.

 

[HSpencer]

Good on the lights. Cleaning up those hanging electrical cords will improve and provide more safety. Good looking white cars. What is the Minivan or SUV, and do those rear doors open out like suicide doors, or is it a slider? I am partial to white vehicles myself.
I have used "Simple Green" full strength with an electric power washer to remove even paint from my garage floors. Simple green will clean anything. Glad to see your posting your progress and I think you are doing great. LOL---don't lose sleep over it!!!
ps: Don't worry about thread ratings I don't think it matters. No one ever bothered to rate mine at all.

Best Regards
Herb Spencer

 

[G20-Budo]

A small update:

Tonight I went to work on one corner of the garage. I realize it's nothing as major as what many of you post, but I figure if I keep at it, a few nights a week and in a month or two my garage will look different.

Since I cleaned out the cabinets, I had new storage space to use. So I migrated all of my detailing supplies into one of the cabinets.

Corner before:

Corner after:

I'm planning to install a retractable water hose next to the water softener system (there is a water spigot right off the end of the top of the softener system). Here in the Phoenix area we have HARD water (causes bad water spots). Best to use softened water when washing the car. A retractable water hose would make it much easier for me.

I think my next step is to get an attic door/latter for the garage and a storage bin for the side of the house.

 

[G20-Budo]

Good on the lights. Cleaning up those hanging electrical cords will improve and provide more safety. Good looking white cars. What is the Minivan or SUV, and do those rear doors open out like suicide doors, or is it a slider? I am partial to white vehicles myself.
I have used "Simple Green" full strength with an electric power washer to remove even paint from my garage floors. Simple green will clean anything. Glad to see your posting your progress and I think you are doing great. LOL---don't lose sleep over it!!!
ps: Don't worry about thread ratings I don't think it matters. No one ever bothered to rate mine at all.

****, I missed this msg from you Herb. The van is my wife's, it's a 2004 Nissan Quest. The doors slide open on the sides.

The cords cleanup is on the to do list. But I'm planning on getting more lights first, well scratch that. I could clean it up as is, and it will look better until I paint.

I use Simple Green, but I had no idea it would remove paint? Cool.. I'll have to give it a try.

Thanks Herb.

 

[dubber]

****, I missed this msg from you Herb. The van is my wife's, it's a 2004 Nissan Quest. The doors slide open on the sides.

The cords cleanup is on the to do list. But I'm planning on getting more lights first, well scratch that. I could clean it up as is, and it will look better until I paint.

I use Simple Green, but I had no idea it would remove paint? Cool.. I'll have to give it a try.

Thanks Herb.

Simple grean beyond its power and quality, smells delicious!!

 

[Rockuf8]

Good progress Kyle. Get that shed, mine was paramount when I cleaned out my garage and garage attic, and now I will use it for permanent storage once I pick through and choose what goes in the attic, the garage cabinetry or stays in the shed.

 

[Bob Heine]

I've had this retractable air hose for like 7 years now, but never installed it.

I was thinking of mounting it on the wall between the garage doors here (attach a mounting board with lag bolts and bolt the retractable hose to it).

Do any of you have inputs on the height you'd mount a retractable hose such as this? Also, any inputs you guys might have on the kind of hard airline you might have ran in your shop/garage.. pro's/con's.

Kyle,

Like you I have a 3-car garage (but with 3 small doors). That spot is a great place for a retractable air line. I would mount it above forehead height but that's just me -- I have a very lumpy forehead because of low-hanging stuff. I mounted my air hose reel above the air compressor because the tool cabinet with all the air tools is right there -- and there's a chance I'll remember to turn off the compressor if I'm putting the air line away (I'm old and forgetful).

As far as the hard line goes, copper is probably the best because it is a great heat conductor. Based on price, I used galvanized. In the dry Arizona climate you probably won't need to install a long line but for Florida's underwater environment I put 60 feet of pipe between the compressor and air filter. I installed four 10-foot sections under a wall of shallow cabinets. That down-pipe on the right has about a half-cup of water in it for every half-hour the compressor runs (I replaced the small red compressor with the black one since this photo was taken).

Corner after:

I'm planning to install a retractable water hose next to the water softener system (there is a water spigot right off the end of the top of the softener system). Here in the Phoenix area we have HARD water (causes bad water spots). Best to use softened water when washing the car. A retractable water hose would make it much easier for me.

I think my next step is to get an attic door/latter for the garage and a storage bin for the side of the house.

Having a hose reel right next to the door is great (see my picture above).

The pull-down attic ladder is a great addition to the garage. My house came with one but because of some repair work, the garage wing got a second ladder. It isn't as handy as the main ladder because I have to pull one of the cars out and then close the garage door. But that section is storage for the bulky parts for the cars.

I had a big plastic shelf unit in the garage but it took up too much space so I mounted the shelves on some 2x4s added to the trusses up in the attic.

 

[G20-Budo]

Good progress Kyle. Get that shed, mine was paramount when I cleaned out my garage and garage attic, and now I will use it for permanent storage once I pick through and choose what goes in the attic, the garage cabinetry or stays in the shed.

Thanks.. yeah, working on the shed. It will probably be a few weeks before I get a shed and make much progress.

Kyle,

Like you I have a 3-car garage (but with 3 small doors). That spot is a great place for a retractable air line. I would mount it above forehead height but that's just me -- I have a very lumpy forehead because of low-hanging stuff. I mounted my air hose reel above the air compressor because the tool cabinet with all the air tools is right there -- and there's a chance I'll remember to turn off the compressor if I'm putting the air line away (I'm old and forgetful).

As far as the hard line goes, copper is probably the best because it is a great heat conductor. Based on price, I used galvanized. In the dry Arizona climate you probably won't need to install a long line but for Florida's underwater environment I put 60 feet of pipe between the compressor and air filter. I installed four 10-foot sections under a wall of shallow cabinets. That down-pipe on the right has about a half-cup of water in it for every half-hour the compressor runs (I replaced the small red compressor with the black one since this photo was taken).

Bob, thank you for your response and your tips. As for the retractable hose, I was thinking waist level, but over head would be fine too. Only thing is I'm 6'1", so if I put it above my head, my kids and shorter people would not be able to reach it.

I do have a question about the piping, you said that copper piping is the best? So do you mean just get copper piping like one would use for water plumbing? And just solder it as I would water plumbing?

Having a hose reel right next to the door is great (see my picture above).

The pull-down attic ladder is a great addition to the garage. My house came with one but because of some repair work, the garage wing got a second ladder. It isn't as handy as the main ladder because I have to pull one of the cars out and then close the garage door. But that section is storage for the bulky parts for the cars.

I had a big plastic shelf unit in the garage but it took up too much space so I mounted the shelves on some 2x4s added to the trusses up in the attic.

A shelf up there in the attic is a great idea. I don't plan to store anything heavy up there. Just suit cases, and X-mas decorations. Anything heavy that doesn't stay in the garage will be going in a shed on the side of the house.

Thanks again for your inputs, I do appreciate them.

 

[HSpencer]

(Kyle wrote): "A shelf up there in the attic is a great idea. I don't plan to store anything heavy up there. Just suit cases, and X-mas decorations."

My daughter's baby bed is up in my garage attic. My daughter turned 42 years old this June. An attic will get something put in it, the attic will hide it, and you will one day rediscover lots of memories and treasures up there!! LOL. When I am trying to clean up the shop and I want to keep something a while, I tell the item: "You will go high for a while".

Best Regards
Herb Spencer

 

[Bob Heine]

Thanks.. yeah, working on the shed. It will probably be a few weeks before I get a shed and make much progress.

Bob, thank you for your response and your tips. As for the retractable hose, I was thinking waist level, but over head would be fine too. Only thing is I'm 6'1", so if I put it above my head, my kids and shorter people would not be able to reach it.

I do have a question about the piping, you said that copper piping is the best? So do you mean just get copper piping like one would use for water plumbing? And just solder it as I would water plumbing?

A shelf up there in the attic is a great idea. I don't plan to store anything heavy up there. Just suit cases, and X-mas decorations. Anything heavy that doesn't stay in the garage will be going in a shed on the side of the house.

Thanks again for your inputs, I do appreciate them.

Kyle,
You can adjust the position of the rubber donut on the hose so more of the hose is hanging down, which should put it in reach of the "vertically challenged" in your family. Just loosen the screws, slide the hose out of the donut and re-tighten the screws.

For those special non-drinking water soldering jobs, I have squirreled away a roll of 50-50 lead solder. Makes the job a little easier but if you have successfully soldered copper water lines with the unleaded solder, making up copper air lines is no problem.

My main attic section has the suitcases, coolers and x-mas decorations, along with family heirlooms that don't fit in the house. Unfortunately. my wife's basket collection resides above 50 feet of my cabinets. She also laid claim to six of my 20 feet of counter space. Although this encroachment is considered a crime against my manhood by many, it might partially explain my remaining married to the same woman for more than 50 years.

I have a 12'x18' shed/workshop as well. It's big enough for the radial arm, power miter and table saws, along with the sanders, grinders and buffers. It keeps most of the dust and dirt generators out of the garage. It also stores the pressure washer, emergency generator and chain and pole saws needed in hurricane territory.

 

[G20-Budo]

Herb - Yeah that was kind of the idea. We don't do anything with the x-mas decorations all year long, until Dec.. and they take up plenty of (on top of cabinet) space. I want them and the suit cases OUT of the way.

Bob - Thanks for the inputs on where to hang the hose (using donut to adjust hang), and on the copper piping. Heck, if soldering copper pipe is all I need to do, that should be pretty easy for me to throw together. Of course soldering up in the attic is gonna ****! It was 111 here in Phoenix yesterday, I'm sure the attic is even hotter.

Something I find kind of funny is, I see so many here on GJ that are trying to get their garage to be warmer, where as hear in AZ, we want to COOL our garage.

 

[Bob Heine]

Something I find kind of funny is, I see so many here on GJ that are trying to get their garage to be warmer, where as hear in AZ, we want to COOL our garage.

Not just AZ. I really like working in the garage but without A/C I couldn't survive for long most of the year in FL.

This 110v Frigidaire window unit has kept my garage cool for 13 years. It easily keeps the garage at 77* when it's 93* outside (it rarely gets hotter than that here). It is set on "low cool" and below half-way on the 1-5 cooling knob. Insulated garage doors (with weatherstripping), R-19 insulation in the ceiling and R-13 in the walls helps a lot. On the off chance it ever gets too cold to work in the garage, that orange fan has the add-on heater element.

 

[HSpencer]

Here in NW Arkansas it gets pretty warm, but I make it ok usually out in the bays if I have a couple fans running. In my back shop/office (10'X20' well insulated) I have a 6000 btu window unit. If I am going to be in the back shop for very long, I usually cool it down. What I really like the best of all are my shade trees just outside the garage. If I have a project involving time or woodworking, I roll my tools out under the tree and go at it. It is also much less mess if building something like a cabinet. There is usually a nice breeze and the temp difference is about 25 degrees in the shade. I can cool my garage bays enough with fans to be ok, but I do like working outside all I can.

Best Regards
Herb Spencer

 

[G20-Budo]

Herb & Bob,

Again, great ideas. I really hadn't thought of putting an AC unit in the garage, I figured it would too costly (our electric bill in the summer is unbelievable as it is). But if I can find a smaller unit, it might work out. My space is around 640 sqft. After living in AZ for 12+ years now, and wrenching in the garage every summer, I've kind of gotten used to the heat. So long as I have a tall glass of cool water nearby and I'm not in the direct sun, I can stand the heat. Even so.. the idea of having it even 10 degrees cooler in the garage is very appealing to me now (I guess that means I’m getting older, or smarter?). I don't know what kind of insulation is the ceiling above the garage, but I will check it when I put the attic door/latter in.

This garage project seems to be expanding all the time. But it has become something I look forward to messing with when I get home.

 

[G20-Budo]

Hello again,

I just wanted to post, so you guys would know I didn't wonder off. I was out of town for work all last week, and then had a fuel leak on my car, so that took priority.

Tonight, I did get some time to go through some boxes, throw out more trash/recycle items, and reorganize. I found a good spot for my two transmissions, and I'm pretty sure I know where the spare motor is going to go now. I have the picture in my mind, and I'm slowly making it happen. I don't have any pics at this time, due to the fact that it's still a mess. I hope to have some update pics in a few days.

Happy garaging!

 

[G20-Budo]

Ok.. another day of progress. I've found a number of things I forgot I even had? I've found a good spot for my wet/dry vac (I have an older one, pretty big). There is a lot of oil under my existing bench (where the old transmission was), so I have more cleaning to do. I also need to purchase another large piece of MDF to place on the bottom self of the bench.

Quick question, what height do most of you have your work benches at? Also, has any one here used, or thought of using formica as a bench top cover for the working area? I would figure it should hold up ok, clean up easy and be pretty cheap.

Comments?

I'll post some pics of my "in process" mess tomorrow. I'm just happy I AM making progress.

 

[Bob Heine]

Quick question, what height do most of you have your work benches at? Also, has any one here used, or thought of using formica as a bench top cover for the working area? I would figure it should hold up ok, clean up easy and be pretty cheap.

Comments?

Workbench height depends on a lot of things. If you plan to stand at the workbench, elbow height is a good measure (bend your arm and measure from the floor to the bottom of your forearm). If you have a table saw, radial arm saw, or other large tool, having the adjacent benches at the same height is a good idea. I think Jack Olsen made all of his benches 37" high (except the one he sits at). Having overhead cabinets can also affect workbench height. It's nice to have at least 14" between the bench-top and bottom of the cabinets.

My garage workbench is a set of cheap Mills Pride base cabinets with two sections (6- and 8-foot) Formica kitchen countertops. I installed this setup in 1996 and there are two or three chips in the top. I don't rebuild engines or transmissions on this bench but it sees its fair share of messy jobs. Paint and epoxy spills on these counters clean up real easy and even the hardened stuff comes right off with a razor blade.

 

[aps63]

I echo what Bob wrote. My new work bench is purposely high just because I like to stand at my workbench and work on projects. I hate to be in constant state of hunch.
I'm 6' tall so a high bench(around 42") is perfect for me. Make it suit you and your average project.

 

[G20-Budo]

Thanks for the feedback guys... My current bench is around 41" tall. I'm 6'1", and usually like to stand while I work, so I guess I'll keep it at about that height.

So while cleaning this weekend, I found some items I haven't seen in a decade! And I wonder why did I keep all this ****?

I know this might not seem like much in the way of progress to some of you, but it's been big time for me.

Bench before pic..

And where it is now:

I still need to buy another piece of MDF to put on the bottom of the bench, and move the horizontal support pieces down close to the floor. I'm going to store my large wet/dry vac there, and a few other items.

For the silver rack, I haven't had the top of this empty in a good decade.. (now I need to do the same to the black rack):

And the bottom section of the black rack is where I'm placing my spare transmission, jack stands and old oil transport containers (Yes there is a big oil spot right in front of the rack, I'm working on getting that clean):

I moved the freezer over about 18" (so now it's even with where the wall recesses back for the A/C system), cleaned up the area around the A/C system. I still need to clean up a bit and paint, but it sure looks better to me. Now I just need to find a shoe rack of some kind, which should help us to get the area cleaned up.

I still have a ton of work to do, but I'm making some progress each and every weekend now. Oh, and in case any of you wondered about the temps here in Chandler/Phoenix AZ area..

Today it read 120.

 

[djcslice]

Hey Budo, nice to run into on another forum. Nice garage!

 

[G20-Budo]

Yeah, I'm here there and everywhere. Nice to see you here as well. TJ also (mxer683) is also here, he sent me a PM last week. This forum was a great find! Tons of good people that provide advice and great ideas!

 

[G20-Budo]

Hey guys, I haven't been posting much in awhile (didn't have much in the way of updates). This past weekend I had some spare time, so I went to work on one of my shelves/racks.

I went from this:

To this:

I realize this doesn't look very impressive to many of you, but for me it was HUGE! I now know where my some of my tools are, and I found a number of items I no longer need.

Now I need to get to work on the other set of shelves/rack. I cleaned the bottom rack up, but I still need to go through all of the green hanging bins and the top.

I've also clear more items out from around my bench. I have to admit, it is time consuming going through all of my, well junk. But as I complete each small piece, it feels like a win. I'm getting more of my garage back.

Happy garaging!

 

[55cadillacking]

Where there's a will, there's a way! Keep on fighting the good fight, Kyle.

 

[dubber]

Keep it up, you definitely have a lot of "stuff" to go through so its good your tackling it a shelf at a time to not overwhelm or discourage yourself.

 

[HSpencer]

Doing well there and it is a never ending process. However, it is doable, you just need to take it a bite at a time. In my 20X20 I have put a complete woodworking shop, and a detail shop and a general repair shop. It is tight but it is a matter of a place for everything and everything in it's place at all times. I really envy your space. I would say the wide garage gives you a big edge on mine. Keep up the work and you will see much progress and satisfaction before too long!!

Best Regards
Herb Spencer

 

[aps63]

Remember, I am the king of clutter.
To me it looks like you made some real progress.
Just keep that vision of your garage you have in your head and you WILL get there.
Keep it up.

 

[G20-Budo]

Thanks guys.. as I've said before, this is a great forum with some really cool people. I have the image in my mind of how I want it to look, but there's so much clutter that it's messing up my picture. And Herb, I like your comment about a place for everything and everything in its place. I gotta work more towards that.

 

[dubber]

a place for everything and everything in its place. I gotta work more towards that.

I tend to truly believe in this motto, and based on my personal experience it might take a few tries to find "that perfect spot".

 

[G20-Budo]

I tend to truly believe in this motto, and based on my personal experience it might take a few tries to find "that perfect spot".

It's funny you say that dubber.. that is one of the challenges I'm having. But I'll work through it. It might take me awhile to get my garage turned around, but I'll get there.

 

[pitterpat]

Keep up the good work, if you just do a little bit every day or when you can it will go by fast.

What part of Chandler do you live in? I lived there for a few months in 2008/2009.

Also, I didn't realize you could do those diagrams like that in Visio; I have dabbled in Visio a little.

Good work, your garage looked like my dad's 2 car block garage; but his had a 56 Nomad in it and 1 small path through the garage. After he died and I had to clean it out I did come out with a lot of good stuff.

 

[G20-Budo]

Keep up the good work, if you just do a little bit every day or when you can it will go by fast.

Yeah, I'm starting to see that. When I look at the garage there are now some "better" spots. Which is helping me to see how it "could" look, and that helps to motivate me.

What part of Chandler do you live in? I lived there for a few months in 2008/2009.

Also, I didn't realize you could do those diagrams like that in Visio; I have dabbled in Visio a little.

Good work, your garage looked like my dad's 2 car block garage; but his had a 56 Nomad in it and 1 small path through the garage. After he died and I had to clean it out I did come out with a lot of good stuff.

I live near Alma School and Pecos. Yeah, you can do some pretty cool stuff with Visio if you play around with it.

Thanks for the kind words on my progress. You guys really are an inspiration.

 

[HSpencer]

Those steel shelving sets you have are a real asset. We put one in our utility room and we store all of our excess canned goods and extra paper goods and such. Ours is the large one like yours, on wheels. I have even thought of getting one for the shop, but I have most of my stuff where I want it already. Did you look at the loft shelving on my back shop re-do? These are shown and are called "hyloft shelves". Since I put them up, I am always amazed at how much I like them and how much they will hold. If you use them, get the plastic bins to go on them. I have stored a lot of things there, and I label them. I can actually find what I want now!!!!
I am a big big fan of the plastic bins of all sizes these days. I got a label machine and it makes the inch size labels. I made some investment into all that stuff, but wow it was really worth it and paid off big time!!
Keep on keeping on my friend!!!

Best Regards
Herb Spencer

 

[G20-Budo]

Well, I've done a little work here and there. I pulled everything off the far wall and sorted it all. I found more items to sale, and more junk that was useless that I tossed out. I have some pics in process, but I didn't take a pic of how it looked when finished (I'll get a finished pic tomorrow).

Here are the pics as I was working on it:

I'm actually pretty happy! I found more items I didn't even know I had. Once I sale a few more items and get some storage on the side of the house and/or the attic, I'll have a lot of room.

At this point I'm still in clean-up mode. To finish the clean-up I need to:

• Pick up one of those Husky or Craftsman rail system
• Get up in the attic - run copper air lines
• Get up in the attic - run power for lighting/tools
• Install attic ladder
• Sale more stuff
• Get storage for side of house

After all of those are finished, I can start trying to make it *nice*. The cool stuff like flooring and changing the cabinets will all have to wait. In the mean time, I need to CLEAN!

 

[dubber]

At this point I'm still in clean-up mode. To finish the clean-up I need to:

• Pick up one of those Husky or Craftsman rail system
• Get up in the attic - run copper air lines
• Get up in the attic - run power for lighting/tools
• Install attic ladder
• Sale more stuff
• Get storage for side of house

Those are tremendously useful. But don't kid yourself, you won't end up with just one haha. I now have 5.

 

[G20-Budo]

Yeah, I can see of where I want it. I don't have as much empty wall space from all the cabinets and shelves.

 

[HSpencer]

Your doing well. I can see your into it and will be having much more room as you get through the items. Can I say don't throw out the good stuff? Often I am tempted to do that because I just don't want to deal with it, but later if you throw it away, you will just buy another one. I see LOTS of treasures in your stuff that you will want later in the process of setting up shop.

Good Job and Keep Us Posted!!

Best Regards
Herb Spencer

 

[G20-Budo]

Herb,

Not to worry, I am keeping plenty. I'm just selling the odd car parts that I no longer need, and tossing out the boxes and misc car brackets, etc that I have no need/use for. I of course am offering them up to friends for free if they want them.

And you are correct, I AM into it. As Rick and a few others have stated from their experience, I have noticed the more I work on it, and look at it, the more I realize how some of my original ideas might not work out.. or I've realized better ideas now. I also found another florescent light (two bulb) I forgot I even had. I just need to buy some bulbs, and setup power.

Oh, and here are some pics of the mess cleaned up/organized a bit. I have items to sale on the outside of the stacks, to make them easier to remove.

More updates as I have them.

 

[Oldbear]

Have a look at my garage pictures - When we moved I went from a 24x24 to a 25x15. I had a smalled garden shed too. We had so much stuff in there that I could only get to either end of my shop by opening a door and trying to fly...