Led shop lighting

[Reit38]

I know the feit leds from Costco are the normal go to but does any use the menards ones? They're saying 3650 lumens and linkable up to 9 lights. Normal price is $40 but black Friday they will be on sale for $20

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[cajunfirehawk]

Only advice I can give is check their wattage consumption, I bought 12 led 4ft lights from rural king for $20 and sent them back cause they consumed over 80 watts per 4ft light!, that's like double the costco lights! YMMV!

 

[6PTsocket]

I know the feit leds from Costco are the normal go to but does any use the menards ones? They're saying 3650 lumens and linkable up to 9 lights. Normal price is $40 but black Friday they will be on sale for $20

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I see them when I am in Costco and they may be good but I was turned off by the little footnote at the end of the specs, on the package that says,in effect, that they make no claim that the specs are accutate.I have never seen a disclaimer like that before. So a bulb is 1100 lumens.....or not.

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[Reit38]

Looks like they are 42 watts.

I'm thinking of getting 16 of them for my 30x40

http://www.menards.com/main/lightin...-c-1472133557086.htm?tid=-3688149853182881861

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[gungatim]

16?? I have 3 in my 30x40 plus 9 regular light bulbs. they are super bright, I think one puts out more light than all 9 regular CFL's combined.

I paid full price for mine because I was sick of it being so dim since you can't get real bulbs anymore, but I can't imagine needing 16.

thanks for the heads up on the BF price, I will probably pick a few more up and just ditch the CFL's altogether...

 

[NUTTSGT]

I bought T8 replacements at Menard's, just lamps, not fixtures. They are Sylvania, out 2200 lumens at 17W, 5000k (other colors available) and 48". They are available in 10 packs which are currently on sale for $55.

http://www.menards.com/main/electri...3764709189-c-7482.htm?tid=6216090077424539484

 

[Showkey]

16?? I have 3 in my 30x40 plus 9 regular light bulbs. they are super bright, I think one puts out more light than all 9 regular CFL's combined.

I paid full price for mine because I was sick of it being so dim since you can't get real bulbs anymore, but I can't imagine needing 16.

thanks for the heads up on the BF price, I will probably pick a few more up and just ditch the CFL's altogether...

Guessing we all have different ideas of what bright is and have difffernt needs on the amount of light reaching the work the surface. A simple check for comparison, use a light meter smart phone app. Detailed work on a bench top one might want 1000 LUX or FC and general shop lighting might be 300 LUX.

Obviously..........Ceiling height is going to have huge effect on the light reaching the work surface.

For comparison I have 18 fixtures in a 24'x36' 9ft ceilings and would not consider it over lit.

 

[reader2580]

These Menards lights are barely more efficient than T8 fluorescent. T8 is 92 lumens per watt (not including ballast) and this is 87 lumens per watt.

 

[Reit38]

How do the Costco ones compare then

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[revamped]

Damn, the LED HB's I am installing are 125 Lumens per watt. No thanks, cheap is not always the best way.

 

[Firebrick43]

These Menards lights are barely more efficient than T8 fluorescent. T8 is 92 lumens per watt (not including ballast) and this is 87 lumens per watt.

I think it's a misprint in the title. Look at the specs, they list 17 watts for 2200 lumens or 129 lumens per watt

 

[Thirdyfivepickup]

I'm looking at my the black friday flier online and I dont see any of these lights...

There's knives... giant plush toys... scented candles... nonstick copper pans... pet sweaters...and a 4 pack of European mustard.

I want to put on a flannel shirt, skinny jeans and put my hair in a man bun after reading that advertisement...

 

[6PTsocket]

Showkey is right to be using lux rather than lumens as it is much more relavant. Lumens is the total amount of light a bulb puts out including what might be lost behind the bulb and wasted. Lux is the amount of light hitting a surface and that is what really matters. Light falls off rapidly with distance. If you double rhe distance you only get 1/4th the light hitting the surface. So the height of the lights is a big factor. Unfortunately lux has to be measured and it is not something they can print on a box and big lumen numbers are more impressive.

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[Reit38]

Ceiling height will 10ft when finished

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[Reit38]

I'm looking at my the black friday flier online and I dont see any of these lights...

There's knives... giant plush toys... scented candles... nonstick copper pans... pet sweaters...and a 4 pack of European mustard.

I want to put on a flannel shirt, skinny jeans and put my hair in a man bun after reading that advertisement...

It's in a 3 day Sale flyer starting Friday

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[Showkey]

bottom line do your home work. A casual look at Menards web site, the first four LED shop lights:

1. 42 watt no lumens spec given on line, appears to the one in the BF ad 3650 lumens
2. 41 watt 3300 lumens
3. 45 watt 3200 lumens
4. 70 watt 4800 lumens

Costco fixture

1. 42 watt 3700 lumens
2. Feit drop in bulbs 17 watt 1700

Menards
Sylvania's drop in bulbs are 17 watt 2200 lumens

There are some marginal fixtures with poor specs out there........and in the past the specs where inflated. High 80's to 100 lumens per watt is the general spec for the low priced fixtures. Any of these fixtures keep your receipts and date the fixtures so three years in on the 5 year warranty you have the needed documentation.

 

[reader2580]

I think it's a misprint in the title. Look at the specs, they list 17 watts for 2200 lumens or 129 lumens per watt

I think you're confusing the fixture the OP wants to buy versus the T8 tubes somebody else brought up. I was talking about the fixture, not the tubes.

 

[Reit38]

I think you're confusing the fixture the OP wants to buy versus the T8 tubes somebody else brought up. I was talking about the fixture, not the tubes.

So it's basically the same light as the Costco light, it will just cost a little more due to Costco being sold in a 2 pack?!?

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[revamped]

Showkey is right to be using lux rather than lumens as it is much more relavant. Lumens is the total amount of light a bulb puts out including what might be lost behind the bulb and wasted. Lux is the amount of light hitting a surface and that is what really matters. Light falls off rapidly with distance. If you double rhe distance you only get 1/4th the light hitting the surface. So the height of the lights is a big factor. Unfortunately lux has to be measured and it is not something they can print on a box and big lumen numbers are more impressive.

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I agree, that is why we ran the calculations. I suspect below 12 feet, its probably no big deal and if you don't have enough lighting they can just add more. I am at 17 feet and getting 120-130fc at the work surface with only 6 fixtures that are dimmable. Cost wise... I'm paying about the same per lumen as cheap fixtures and way less than $1 per watt. using LED high bay lights. Of course I had to run a separate low voltage circuit but that was cheap security wire.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=337137

 

[jekquist]

I love the Costco lights. I bough the final 4 they had at 23.99 each. Way worth it. Was planning on buying 6-10 but they didn't have any more.

I have 4 Costco leds and 2 t8 fixtures. The leds are brighter than the t8's and are instant on. This is in my 24x32x12.

 

[stg454]

Has anyone tried these? Looking to change out the CFLs that I have now. Wondering if they're any good.

http://www.rockler.com/led-shop-light-with-shroud

 

[Showkey]

Has anyone tried these? Looking to change out the CFLs that I have now. Wondering if they're any good.

http://www.rockler.com/led-shop-light-with-shroud

Used a similar shade system on large CFL ..........they worked well but focus the light down in a spot at the cost of the NOT spreading an overall lighting.

$45 for the larger models makes them a little expensive??? Medium priced tube fixture with LED bulbs might out perform the single light source at a similar price. I replaced my CFL shade with tube LED and the overall light in the shop is improved.

 

[Reit38]

Here's the info of the box for the menards led




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[NUTTSGT]

Let me pose this question to the OP.

Say you are planning on linking them together and one of them dies and you can't buy any more (like jekquist) or they change the design so they don't link together ?

Yes, they are LEDs and should last for many years but one of the LED (GT-Lite brand) I just put in a few weeks ago died and I had to replace it. I'm only out $6 for a new bulb and not having to buy a new $20 fixture. .... or am I wrong here. Are the bulbs replaceable in these Costco/Menard's linkable LED fixture units ?

 

[Showkey]

No bulb replacing on the fixtures mentioned .........but..........even the "bulbs" on the High priced fixtures are not serviced.

On the linking....... it does just mean they are plugged into each other........nothing more. So replacing a fixture down the road is not a big deal but it may not be a exactly the same in looks.

Not too much difference current lower end T8 where the ballast replacement costs more than the fixture. Yes there is different quality and price point in T8 fixtures and they are not all throw always. But we are talking about complete LED fixture with bulbs in the $20-$30 range.

 

[NUTTSGT]

On the linking....... it does just mean they are plugged into each other........nothing more. So replacing a fixture down the road is not a big deal but it may not be a exactly the same in looks.

Well that would be good, I figured they would have some type of proprietary plug on them.

 

[Thirdyfivepickup]

Here's the info of the box for the menards led


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I went and checked them out at my local Menards and took pics too. They are part of the 3 day sale so they will be available through Sunday. My Menards had 100 in stock. Sale begins 6am Friday.

 

[jekquist]

Well that would be good, I figured they would have some type of proprietary plug on them.

My lowes t8 linkable fixtures use a three prong plug, while the Costco leds use a two prong. I didn't link any of mine but some people might. I hope to pick up 3 of these if they are still there on Sunday. Not going out on Friday.

 

[Whichamatuzit]

OK so where did we end up with this discussion? Lol. Are the menards one better or worse or the same as the costco? Sorry I **** with the whole spec thing.

 

[reader2580]

I think the Costco and Menards lights are pretty similar in terms of specs. Costco has an advantage in that Feit Electric is a brand sold in many stores, but the Menards ones are certainly cheaper and Menards is pretty good at replacing their brand name stuff.

 

[Whichamatuzit]

I'm been eye balling the costco ones but never seem to catch them for sale. I might try the menards ones. Trying to light up a standard 2 car garage. Should I go with 6 or 8?

 

[Reit38]

Hopefully someone bites the bullet on the menards ones before the sale ends sunday. I've looked at them twice now in store and can't decide how bright they are due to all the other lighting in the area. I even tried using a Lux app

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[Whichamatuzit]

Hopefully I can get there tonight after work. I've got one costco one in my basement for the wife to do hair so if I can I'll do a side by side comparison

 

[roc_on_the_rocks]

Are these chain suspended? If so, could they be directly attached to the drywall ceiling? (my ceiling is only 93" high)

 

[Firebrick43]

I think you're confusing the fixture the OP wants to buy versus the T8 tubes somebody else brought up. I was talking about the fixture, not the tubes.

Sorry, there was some confusion there.

If that's the case why wouldn't one buy standard fixtures, rip the ballast out and put the t8 replacement led bulbs in?

Instead of the trouble of replacement of the whole fixture(which exact replacement may not be available 5 years from now) you just replace one bulb. Also the efficiency is much higher.

At work we replace 20 acres or sodium vapor with LEDs. Cost over a million dollars. They were high dollar fixtures using Cree diodes. Very heavy aluminum extrusions 3 rows 4' long. They were north of 1000 dollars each. I was appalled at the failure rate (of a row or even 4 or so individual LEDs ) in the first week. About a month later the installers came back and replaced the failed rows with another section. In talking to them they had planed on a 15% low hour failure rate. After that failure rate is very low. One area has quite a few individual diodes fail but it's over a wet transfer line with water soluble cutting fluids and the mist is hell on everything.

 

[reader2580]

If that's the case why wouldn't one buy standard fixtures, rip the ballast out and put the t8 replacement led bulbs in?

This is exactly what I am doing. I bought a bunch of fixtures from a store that sells Home Depot returns. I will rip out the ballasts and put in LED tubes. I ordered LED tubes from Bee's Lighting that will be here Monday. (They are at the local Fedex center, but won't be delivered until Monday.)

 

[Showkey]

Or another option........use the drop in bulbs for $ 5 each and leave the ballasts and tombstones in place. The drop in bulbs can be 125 lumens per watt and the experts say ballast is only a 2% loss.

 

[IPACA9]

I've been eyeballing these to go under my mezzanine I'm almost done with. The linkable feature looks nice so I can stretch these above my head and I thought about wiring a wireless switch to them that I could mount to a post to turn on when needed. The shop was bright before but it's dark under the mezzanine. The lights would be about 7½ feet above me.

 

[Whichamatuzit]

Well picked up 8 of the Menard lights. Hope they work out

 

[creativecars]

Or another option........use the drop in bulbs for $ 5 each and leave the ballasts and tombstones in place. The drop in bulbs can be 125 lumens per watt and the experts say ballast is only a 2% loss.

Showkey, What bulbs are you speaking of here??

It seems the Menards and Costco lights are similar, but where did the Rural king offerings fall into the mix?
Thanks.