Lighting Choice; LED High Bay

[jackblack85]

Brandon,

Where did you get the diffuser from ?

* Disregard, it looks like the diffuser comes with the light.

I'm confused as to what to go with. I was originally looking at the 225W James, and doing 6 of those for my 20x30x12.5.

But then ran across the FEIT LED lights at Costco.... I picked up 14 of those but just don't know if they have enough "throw" to get the light down from the ceiling.

Still contemplating these... the budget allows for it - I just want the best technical solution. (Enough FC's and proper dispersion)

 

[Brandon314159]

Big push for me was the dimming features and that I only had to wire up 6 fixtures, not 10-20. Also the claimed lumens per watt (130/W) didn't hurt.

That said if I had lower ceilings are cared more about reducing ALL shadows, I could see wanting more, dispersed lower-power units.

Cheers!

 

[Radix2]

I think I have settled on the 165W James for my 40x50 -12 fixtures - the outer two rows at about 15' the middle one at 17'.

For the geeks here... i was thinking about shadowing and how to estimate it. I decided that what happens is you block one of the lights with your body,hand,tool etc. and you are left with the light from the other lamps. So I ran some simulations deleting one of the fixtures to see how the light would drop in the surrounding area.

Then I thought, why not drop some objects and see what the shadows actually look like - so I put in some foot and a half by six foot columns.

See results below - my interpretation is that the illumination in the shadows or where the light is blocked is only 10-30% less, so I think shadowing should be fairly minimal.

 

[motofool33]

That was temporary wiring for test.

Here's final wired and ran in conduit.







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[cybrdyke]

Looks good Motofool. Did you end up using a dimmer, too?
CD

 

[motofool33]

Looks good Motofool. Did you end up using a dimmer, too?
CD

Leviton Renoir II Master Dimmer AWSMT-7DW White 1920VA-4432VA 120-277V
Handles the load great with 18/2 wire

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[cybrdyke]

Leviton Renoir II Master Dimmer AWSMT-7DW White 1920VA-4432VA 120-277V
Handles the load great with 18/2 wire

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Great! Good on ya!
Looks great.
CD

 

[jackblack85]

Has anyone checked these out ?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JG3WF04/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[cybrdyke]

Has anyone checked these out ?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JG3WF04/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Not that one in particular, but that's the popular style. With decent stats. The only thing I'd say, Jack, is that if you can find a similar one from a reputable brand that you know will be around for a few years, you might be better off. Not saying anything bad about this one, though.
CD

 

[jackblack85]

Thanks cybr.

I keep wanting to bite the bullet on the James LEDs but want something with a motion sensor and also better dispersion of the light since my ceiling is only 12ft. I saw that these had an option for motion sensor as well as a prismatic diffuser that helps spread light for low bay lighting.

 

[motofool33]

I put motion sensors on my James lights for 28$ each

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[gnab2]

I would like to see how they work in your 12' ceilings. I have the same but in a 30x50.


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[dirtrunner0519]

What about these. I will have a sloped ceiling eave of 14' and pea of 17'6".

https://www.superbrightleds.com/mor...ting-brackets-2-foot-long-19,500-lumens/3599/

 

[jackblack85]

What about these. I will have a sloped ceiling eave of 14' and pea of 17'6".

https://www.superbrightleds.com/mor...ting-brackets-2-foot-long-19,500-lumens/3599/

Dirtrunner,

I actually checked out a few different versions of this light. (Made in China and rebranded 100 different ways)

The two big drawbacks on these were the cost, and the beam angle is fairly narrow for my application. I'm not sure how you would mount your lights (at crest or somewhere midway of the slope) but you may be fine if it is towards the top.

BTW - There are ways you can get this light with a 120 deg beam angle but you have to work directly with the manufacturer in China which can be cumbersome.

 

[jackblack85]

I put motion sensors on my James lights for 28$ each

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Good to know. Do you have a link for the motion sensors ? Or is it an option when you order the james lights ?

I ordered one of Amazon lights I posted earlier to try out. It will get here tomorrow so will try to get it hung over the weekend and provide you guys feedback.

 

[tomralph]

The 165W James lights are cheaper per Lumen than the 225W. Other than the 2' difference, any reason to not get the smaller ones, even though that ends up meaning you add 1 additional bank of lights per row?

I would think more sources of light, would mean fewer shadows?

 

[Radix2]

The 165W James lights are cheaper per Lumen than the 225W. Other than the 2' difference, any reason to not get the smaller ones, even though that ends up meaning you add 1 additional bank of lights per row?

I would think more sources of light, would mean fewer shadows?

Yep, the more sources, the better.

I went with the 165W units, they seem to be in the sweet spot right now. I haven't done my full install yet, just put up one to get a feel for it.

 

[motofool33]

Good to know. Do you have a link for the motion sensors ? Or is it an option when you order the james lights ?

I ordered one of Amazon lights I posted earlier to try out. It will get here tomorrow so will try to get it hung over the weekend and provide you guys feedback.

I put these on the end
ORDER: Leviton OSFHU-ITW Fixture-Mounted PIR High-Bay Sensor 3 Interchangeable Lenses

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[checkthisout]

Maybe put less light on the ceiling and instead put lights on the wall about 8' up, especially in your lift bay.

You can add these after the fact after getting all your stuff like hoists, shelves, cabinets etc installed and getting an idea of where you lose light when you have things parked in there.

If you're working under the hood or in the wheel well of a vehicle or whatever, you could have a small nuke burning up on the ceiling and it won't be enough light. Light coming in from the side solves this problem.

 

[jackblack85]

Has anyone checked these out ?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JG3WF04/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Finally got these in. I may have gone overkill. Hopefully I don't blind myself after using these lights.

Will try to get pictures up, but they don't really do the lights justice.

 

[jackblack85]

Oh and ... I managed to drop one of them from 12.5' High. Cracked the lens, but the lights still work good. Contacted the Manufacturer who sent me new lenses for a few bucks !

(Note: I did have to bang some of the metal back into shape, but wasn't anything crazy)

 

[jackblack85]

Here are some crappy pics of the lights. (I think the camera adjusted due to the light)

After going back and forth between these and the James LED's I decided to go with these over the James solely due to two reasons.

1. Prismatic Diffuser Option. I have 12.5' ceilings and I wanted the best dispersion of light.

2. The Light bars are more spread out, and are slightly adjustable so you can adjust the angle of the light towards where you want it.

Overall very satisfied with the result although I may have to wear sunglasses inside the garage. (Lux measured at 2ft above ground)

Disclaimer: Walls still need to be tidy'd up and painted among other things.

 

[revamped]

Very cool lights Jack! I am still going to stick with the James 165's. I am still getting through inspections but got my electrical bought off so time to order up!

 

[Radix2]

Re: Lighting Choice; LED High Ba

Very cool lights Jack! I am still going to stick with the James 165's. I am still getting through inspections but got my electrical bought off so time to order up!

I have mine ready to go up. Insulation being finished this week and metal should go up soon after. I have one hung and I like the way it looks.

 

[dontlifttoshift]

I ended up with (10) 110w and (12) 80w James highbays. The space is just under 2,200 square feet. The lighting surface is right at 15' from the floor. According to the phone meter I am over 100fc everywhere but I expect that to change as I fill the space with stuff. I'll try to remember to take pics once the space is occupied.

The 110s are on the right. They are laid out that way to frame the cars in light, I didn't see a need to waste the light on the roof of the car. On the left side will be general fab. All the equipment and fab tables will be on this side.

You can see the beam pattern on the wall. This is 110W side. The lights are 5' from the wall and about 12' apart.

I am running this whole setup with a one dual technology motion sensor wired to a couple of power packs and so far that has worked very well.

 

[revamped]

I ended up with (10) 110w and (12) 80w James highbays. The space is just under 2,200 square feet. The lighting surface is right at 15' from the floor. According to the phone meter I am over 100fc everywhere but I expect that to change as I fill the space with stuff. I'll try to remember to take pics once the space is occupied.

Very nice lighting at 15ft. would you mind sharing a ball-park cost of your install? We have great information on this thread... I think its valuable to also clue people in on what they experienced for costs on these installs so people can make a good judgment on options.

I will do the same once I buy the other 5 james 165's.
Thanks
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[revamped]

Here are some crappy pics of the lights. (I think the camera adjusted due to the light)

would you mind sharing a ball-park cost of your install? We have great information on this thread... I think its valuable to also clue people in on what they experienced for costs on these installs so people can make a good judgment on options.

I will do the same once I buy the other 5 james 165's.
Thanks
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[revamped]

Leviton Renoir II Master Dimmer AWSMT-7DW White 1920VA-4432VA 120-277V
Handles the load great with 18/2 wire

would you mind sharing a ball-park cost of your install? We have great information on this thread... I think its valuable to also clue people in on what they experienced for costs on these installs so people can make a good judgment on options.

I will do the same once I buy the other 5 james 165's.
Thanks
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[dontlifttoshift]

All in with everything related to hanging and installing the lights, I think I am about $2,600....$2,400 was just the lights and shipping. There was no labor cost other than some Advil after going up and down the ladder 3 million times.

 

[Ijhursh]

where did you get your lights? I think I am going to use the James 110's, my shop (excluding bathroom and compressor room) is 28x32. My ceilings go from 10 to 14'. The guy @ ledlightingwholesalellc.com told me I needed 6. so 14300x6=85800 and then 85800/896=95.76LM/ft i believe. the James 110's are $107 each.

thoughts?

Jim

 

[motofool33]

would you mind sharing a ball-park cost of your install? We have great information on this thread... I think its valuable to also clue people in on what they experienced for costs on these installs so people can make a good judgment on options.

I will do the same once I buy the other 5 james 165's.
Thanks
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196$ each Light, free shipping with atlanta light bulb,
60$ for switch
350$ for pvc conduit and supplies
70$ or so in thermostat wire,
already had the wire and breakers

 

[azgr]

I ended up installing 10 of the 110W James fixtures in my RV garage which is 25'x51' with 16' high ceilings. The fixtures are mounted almost flush to the ceiling and the LEDs are probably at about 15' height. I put a row of 4 lights down the center, and 2 rows of 3 lights on each side. The center 4 lights are on a separate circuit from the outer 6, so I can switch different numbers of lights on depending on how much I want/need. I'm very happy with how this turned out. attached are a couple of pictures showing the lighting. The "night" pictures show how much light there is. My building also has a 24x24 side with 10' ceilings that is lit with 4 linear LED fixtures from Costco - Those lights did a better job than I expected.

 

[revamped]

Wow! Very nice lighting... almost too bright/harsh. I will be glad when I get my LV circuit installed so I can dim those suckers!

 

[azgr]

I'm actually very happy with the amount of light - I guess the pictures make it look like it could be harsh, but it doesn't seem too bright in person. Also I can turn off the center row of lights to tone it down if needed. I opted not to run wiring to dim the fixtures, but if I were doing it again I would probably add the ability for a dimming circuit just in case.

 

[Simplytodd]

First I want to say thanks to everyone that's posted in this thread. I have been reading every led thread posted on this site and most don't apply to me because of my ceiling height. This thread has been a wealth of information.

I think I have it narrowed down to the James 110 watt or the 165 watt version but am not sure which way to mount them. Which will determine how many I need and which wattage to go with.

How many of y'all have surface mounted them and which way are they oriented in the bays. Should they be mounted perpendicular or parallel to the bay. Chain mount is out of the question because of my high lift doors. My building is a red iron building with the perlins spaced at 4' 8" across the thirty foot depth.

Any ideas on which way to go would be greatly appreciated.






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[brota]

Hello I was told the Aleo are the same as the James by LED Lighting warehouse https://www.ledlightingwholesaleinc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SLB2-95

I have ordered 12 of them for my 32x42

 

[revamped]

First I want to say thanks to everyone that's posted in this thread. I have been reading every led thread posted on this site and most don't apply to me because of my ceiling height. This thread has been a wealth of information.

I think I have it narrowed down to the James 110 watt or the 165 watt version but am not sure which way to mount them. Which will determine how many I need and which wattage to go with.

How many of y'all have surface mounted them and which way are they oriented in the bays. Should they be mounted perpendicular or parallel to the bay. Chain mount is out of the question because of my high lift doors. My building is a red iron building with the perlins spaced at 4' 8" across the thirty foot depth.

Any ideas on which way to go would be greatly appreciated.

I would mount hooks on the purlins and hang'em high! I stuck with 2ft lights so it doesn't matter what direction. They put out so much damn light, I don't think it matters.

 

[Brandon314159]

I hung my James 225's with the S-hooks only direct on the purlins of my post-frame barn. I hung the ones either side of the overhead door tracks with chains.

Parallel to the 'bay'. Still happy with them. Fairly rare that I have to break out a flashlight, even under a vehicle.

 

[NebrTd]

Has anyone noticed insect or dirt buildup in their installs? I am getting ready to order lights for my building and I am concerned that these might need cleaned often.

I will be ordering 1 of the aleo 95w lights this week to decide if that is the direction I want to go. These lights would be going in a 40x40 area of my shop with 16' ceiling height. I also want to order a surface mounting bracket to see what they are like before I order 15 more.

 

[Brandon314159]

I haven't seen any bugs or noticeable dirt in the light path. I don't see anywhere for stuff to easily get in there either but I've only had mine up for a few months.

Cheers!