Lighting Choice; LED High Bay

[fixedspeed]

I came across this website.
http://cheaphighbays.com/
I bought a couple of the dome high bay for my shop and they're working really well. A couple different form factors too.

 

[tomralph]

Here is what my 36'x48'x17' looks like with the lights.



Looking at using the James 165 watt bulbs, having them about 16' off the ground. The black hole at the top will be a wood shop that is enclosed, I will figure out its lighting later

 

[motofool33]

Hangzhou ZGSM has been specializing in LED high bay lights for more than 10 years. They have serise of LED high bay lights. You can see what you need in that website: http://zgsmled.com/products/led-high-bay-lights.html.

they look nice, but it might be helpful if you had posted prices and if they ship from China direct or have US warehouses.

 

[NotOrganized]

Just read through this and see the James lights are popular. A 30x53x16 Morton building is going up now and if I could get lights quick, I could use this dandy lift. I do want LED.

Menards a couple of hours away has the Lithonia 15000's in stock. I will probably just take my time and rent a lift when I have everything. I also want to be sure I can get replacement bulbs as the years go on.

Still a part of me says do it before this bad boy is gone.

 

[Nick Yao]

they look nice, but it might be helpful if you had posted prices and if they ship from China direct or have US warehouses.

This is Nick from ZGSM Tech, could you be so kind to inform us your email address or send an email to [email protected] so that I could quote for you. Thanks.

Nick Yao
Sales Manager
Skype: nick-zgsmled
Email: [email protected]

 

[swharris]

Here is what my 36'x48'x17' looks like with the lights.



Looking at using the James 165 watt bulbs, having them about 16' off the ground. The black hole at the top will be a wood shop that is enclosed, I will figure out its lighting later

Can someone post a link of a free light layout planner and where to get some of the popular .ies files for them? Thanks!

 

[kberjian]

I ordered a few lights from Amazon. For the price they had the best warranty and price per lumen. Made in China but I thought I would try them out and see how they work for a while before ordering the balance.

 

[Truckone]

Been looking at this thread for a while and finally bought some lights. Just hung and wired in my high bay lights today. Very happy and plenty of light.

8 165W james high bay LED
2 110W james high bay LED ( on the flat part of ceiling )

Pictures don't do the lights justice on how much light they put out.

 

[automag928]

Can someone post a link of a free light layout planner and where to get some of the popular .ies files for them? Thanks!

Yes I'm curious too on the .ies files, thanks all for sharing! I'm in the decision process on a 32x40 with 16' ceilings.

garage by automag46gt, on Flickr

 

[Radix2]

Can someone post a link of a free light layout planner and where to get some of the popular .ies files for them? Thanks!

The lithonia tool is good and they have a zillion .ies files for their products. You can download .ies files from the manufacturer if they have them. james has them.

You can use .ies files from any manufacturer with the lithonia tool.

Here it is:

https://www.visual-3d.com/tools/interior/

 

[NebrTd]

I have a couple of the aleo 95W high bay fixtures temporarily placed in my shop. I like the lights, but the brackets for mounting them were not what I had in mind. The aleo brackets bolt on to the fixture at the ends using the 4 bolt holes at the corners of the fixture. I was hoping the bracket would bolt onto the center of the fixture so that they could be hung at a single location from a ceiling fan box.

I think I am going to draw a bracket for the lights to cut out on the plasma table. That way I can also tilt the fixture so it is parallel to the floor when mounted to my scissor trusses.

I am putting 12 fixtures in a 40x44 area with ~16' ceilings. Still deciding whether to spend the extra money on the 162w fixtures. The 95w fixtures seem to have plenty of light, but my shop is also completely empty.

Were is the best place to buy the grey/purple control wire for the dimming circuit?

 

[Radix2]

I have a couple of the aleo 95W high bay fixtures temporarily placed in my shop. I like the lights, but the brackets for mounting them were not what I had in mind. The aleo brackets bolt on to the fixture at the ends using the 4 bolt holes at the corners of the fixture. I was hoping the bracket would bolt onto the center of the fixture so that they could be hung at a single location from a ceiling fan box.

I think I am going to draw a bracket for the lights to cut out on the plasma table. That way I can also tilt the fixture so it is parallel to the floor when mounted to my scissor trusses.

I am putting 12 fixtures in a 40x44 area with ~16' ceilings. Still deciding whether to spend the extra money on the 162w fixtures. The 95w fixtures seem to have plenty of light, but my shop is also completely empty.

Were is the best place to buy the grey/purple control wire for the dimming circuit?

I looked all over for a specific wire for the dimming...and it was crazy expensive. Ended up using the 18ga two cond shielded alarm system wire from Lowe's... as I recall the 500ft roll was about $60.

 

[NebrTd]

I looked all over for a specific wire for the dimming...and it was crazy expensive. Ended up using the 18ga two cond shielded alarm system wire from Lowe's... as I recall the 500ft roll was about $60.

That is what I was looking at also. I did find THIS on amazon. More expensive than the red an black at the big box stores though.

 

[Radix2]

That is what I was looking at also. I did find THIS on amazon. More expensive than the red an black at the big box stores though.

I chose the other one based on it being shielded. Doing my final install right now, going to use one dimmer for three circuits of four lights each, will post if that works properly. Ended up with plugs on the lights and luminaire disconnects on the dimming.

I think many use the stat wire, no proof that sheilding is going to help anything at this point. I did run my dimming wire well away from the power anyway.

 

[swharris]

The lithonia tool is good and they have a zillion .ies files for their products. You can download .ies files from the manufacturer if they have them. james has them.

You can use .ies files from any manufacturer with the lithonia tool.

Here it is:

https://www.visual-3d.com/tools/interior/

Fantastic! Does anyone have the .ies file for the James high bay 165 or similar Lithonia comparable??

 

[swharris]

Yes I'm curious too on the .ies files, thanks all for sharing! I'm in the decision process on a 32x40 with 16' ceilings.

I posted a direct question and someone helped me out. Here is the link to the post here on GJ. The .ies files are for the 165W High bay units on the James page. A bit confusing, but look up the ZY-H5-165w=XDZ (5000K) unit. There will be two links in two columns for that light style. One is for the PDF with all the units specs and the other will be the .ies file. Save it to your hard drive and then when you are using the Visualizer tool, hit the green "+" button at the bottom and navigate to the file you saved on your HD. It will then use that light's output data in its calculations. Cool, huh?

Link to GJ post for James High-bay 165W light
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=361009

Link for the James page. It's under "Magic High Bay LM-79" Click 165W
https://www.getjl.com/test-reports

Lint to the Visualizer tool:
https://www.visual-3d.com/tools/interior/

 

[Radix2]

I have my 12 james 165s up, dimmer installed and I just love love love it!

I will get some pics up, but the light is great. 40x50, center row at about 18', side rows at about 15'. Three rows of four.

The Cooper dimmer works fine, interesting thing is that it works when connected to the dimming wires only, no power required. I used three regular switches (per row) and tied all the dimming together to one dimmer. Works great but min dim is probably about 20% which is plenty low for me.

 

[swharris]

I have my 12 james 165s up, dimmer installed and I just love love love it!

I will get some pics up, but the light is great. 40x50, center row at about 18', side rows at about 15'. Three rows of four.

The Cooper dimmer works fine, interesting thing is that it works when connected to the dimming wires only, no power required. I used three regular switches (per row) and tied all the dimming together to one dimmer. Works great but min dim is probably about 20% which is plenty low for me.

Good to hear. Can you post a link to the dimmers you used? I know my electrician is going to ask me and will expect an answer and not my usual blank stare...;-)

How is the beam spread @ the 15' height? Did you calc out the foot candles at a working height? The Lithonia program said I'd have 225fc @ 3'(I'm tall)! Haha. Perfect for my ailing eyes

 

[Radix2]

Good to hear. Can you post a link to the dimmers you used? I know my electrician is going to ask me and will expect an answer and not my usual blank stare...;-)

How is the beam spread @ the 15' height? Did you calc out the foot candles at a working height? The Lithonia program said I'd have 225fc @ 3'(I'm tall)! Haha. Perfect for my ailing eyes

If you look back through the thread, you can see my dialux simulations - should be about 120fc - and it is very nice, beam spread is good, glare is low, shadows are minimal.

I used the Cooper SF-10-W (amazon). as above, just used one dimmer for all 12 lights. I can control each row separately with a std light switch - the dimmer dims all to the same level. Doesn't make sense to me to have 3 dimmers since I can get pleny of combos as is. And it saves about $70...

And as above, the dimmer works fine by just connecting the dim lines to it - no 120VAC connections needed if you are using regular switches to switch the power instead of the built in switch.

 

[cybrdyke]

The Lithonia program said I'd have 225fc @ 3'(I'm tall)! Haha. Perfect for my ailing eyes

You might be kidding, I cant tell. That's actually bad for you.
CD

 

[swharris]

You might be kidding, I cant tell. That's actually bad for you.
CD

Yes, I was joking. I actually looked and I had made a mistake on the dimentions. I corrected it and the fc came down to 174. They will be on a dimmer also

 

[cybrdyke]

Yes, I was joking. I actually looked and I had made a mistake on the dimentions. I corrected it and the fc came down to 174. They will be on a dimmer also

Whew. You had me worried.
See if you can get it down to about 100.
Does the program you are using do point by point or isobars?
CD

 

[swharris]

Whew. You had me worried.
See if you can get it down to about 100.
Does the program you are using do point by point or isobars?
CD

Haha, I appreciate your concern. I raised them a foot in the Lithonia tool and now it's down to about 100-105.

Specifically, what are your concerns with the brightness? A walk out in the direct sunlight will be multiples brighter than that and short of the UV damage unprotected retinas get, I don't see the issue with the LED light, even at those levels. I work in a studio environment with LED TV productions lights and we routinely run 150+ FC levels.

 

[revamped]

Been looking at this thread for a while and finally bought some lights. Just hung and wired in my high bay lights today. Very happy and plenty of light.

8 165W james high bay LED
2 110W james high bay LED ( on the flat part of ceiling )

Pictures don't do the lights justice on how much light they put out.

That looks amazing!!! I am stalled on my build due to drywall contractors being unavailable in my area for the next couple of months. I cant wait to finish up and get those 165's up in the air! Your shop is awesome!
revamped

 

[revamped]

Were is the best place to buy the grey/purple control wire for the dimming circuit?

Class 3 security wire from Home Depot worked great for me and the inspector gave

 

[cybrdyke]

Haha, I appreciate your concern. I raised them a foot in the Lithonia tool and now it's down to about 100-105.

Specifically, what are your concerns with the brightness? A walk out in the direct sunlight will be multiples brighter than that and short of the UV damage unprotected retinas get, I don't see the issue with the LED light, even at those levels. I work in a studio environment with LED TV productions lights and we routinely run 150+ FC levels.

Hey SW,
There have been thousands of studies done, since the day Edison presented his light bulb, on the effects of lighting on our bodies. Below are just a couple, one by the AMA.
Some folks might be more sensitive than others, but consider the size and scale of the sunglasses industry in the world.If direct sunlight wasn't uncomfortable, there wouldn't be any sunglasses, right?
Artificial light isn't like sunlight. The color spectra are very different, for one, and the hours that alot of folks spend under them is different, too. Too much light is known to cause anything from lack of sleep, slowed metabolism, nervousness and headaches, to a limp wiener. Some studies have shown much more serious issues.
Similar studies have been done for animals with similar results.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201607/too-much-artificial-light-exposure-can-make-you-sick

https://www.ama-assn.org/sites/default/files/media-browser/public/about-ama/councils/Council%20Reports/council-on-science-public-health/a16-csaph2.pdf

 

[NotOrganized]

I bought a pair of these Hyperikon LED 220w fixtures. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N9D3L4S/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Build quality seems solid. Hope to get them up in the air this weekend and see how they look. They claim 28000 lumens. Anyone use them?

 

[tomralph]

Class 3 security wire from Home Depot worked great for me and the inspector gave

I am hopeful that CAT6 will work... I had a bunch and ran it next to the 12-2 .

 

[NotOrganized]

Are the dimming wires just for signal and not carrying power?

 

[tomralph]

I found this online when I was planning it:

What is 0-10V Dimming?

Used as an early fluorescent dimming system and still used today, 0-10V dimming has been adapted to become a reliable LED dimming control protocol.

0-10 V is one of the earliest and simplest electronic lighting control signaling systems; simply put, the control signal is a DC voltage that varies between zero and ten volts. The controlled lighting should scale its output so that at 10 V, the controlled light should be at 100% of its potential output, and at 0 V it should at the lowest possible dimming level.

From that I would say just signal.

 

[cybrdyke]

Are the dimming wires just for signal and not carrying power?

A 10 volt DC signal is created in the driver/ballast. The signal is sent via the control wires to the controlling device. So, yes...the wires are for signal, not power.
CD

 

[NotOrganized]

Thanks for clarifying. I have a box of two conductor shielded 18g that has been looking for a home.

 

[Simplytodd]

I finally hung the lights in my shop. I went with 8 of the Aleo 165w high bays. They will be lighting a 33x30 section of the shop. I wired them with twist lock plugs into 4"x4" handy boxes in case I wanted to add more lighting down the road I could just add another receptacle to the box and shift the lights over to space them evenly. They are wired on 2 circuits with half coming on in the front of the shop where most of the work will be happening and the rest wired to the back.

Overall I think it's pretty bright and don't foresee needing to add any more lights in the future


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With just one circuit on.




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[NotOrganized]

That looks nice simplytodd.


I put 4 of these Hyperikon 220w 28000 lumens https://hyperikon.com/product/highbay-fixture/ in my 30x53 and they light it up well. Was going to add two more but just spread the four out a few feet and am happy with the lighting. I'll add more later in life should I need them. I did wire for more just decided to save some $ for a lift.

 

[Simplytodd]

Thanks NotOrganized. Your place looks nice as well. Sure would have been handy to have that scissor lift when do the wiring. Climbing up and down scaffolding gets old really quick.

 

[NotOrganized]

Thanks SimplyTodd. That lift is a life saver. I had scaffolding and decided to give it to a friend and just rent a lift for a month. $600 seems like a lot but man does that lift make short work of high conduit runs. Note the ladder in the corner. I can only get about 8ft up before I get spooked. I was actually thinking I would use my RV to move lights or hang any new ones. i am putting a few more outlets up high in case I want more light.

 

[NotOrganized]

Now that I have had a chance to work in my building during the dark, I can't see why I would add more lights. Even in the shadow of the RV there is plenty of light to do detailed work. I wired to be able to add up to 6 more lights and am glad I stopped at 4. These things put out so much light, it's incredible.

 

[Double J]

I have a couple of the aleo 95W high bay fixtures temporarily placed in my shop. I like the lights, but the brackets for mounting them were not what I had in mind. The aleo brackets bolt on to the fixture at the ends using the 4 bolt holes at the corners of the fixture. I was hoping the bracket would bolt onto the center of the fixture so that they could be hung at a single location from a ceiling fan box.

I think I am going to draw a bracket for the lights to cut out on the plasma table. That way I can also tilt the fixture so it is parallel to the floor when mounted to my scissor trusses.

I am putting 12 fixtures in a 40x44 area with ~16' ceilings. Still deciding whether to spend the extra money on the 162w fixtures. The 95w fixtures seem to have plenty of light, but my shop is also completely empty.

Were is the best place to buy the grey/purple control wire for the dimming circuit?

I see what you're doing here and want to do the same. What did you ever come up so the fixtures will mount parallel to the floor? The included chains would be the easy way, but I want them as close to the ceiling as possible

 

[NotOrganized]

On the hyperikon lights I used, the heavy wire brackets on the lights for the chain could be hung directly to hooks screwed into the ceiling. That would put the fixture about 4" from the cieling.

 

[Double J]

On the hyperikon lights I used, the heavy wire brackets on the lights for the chain could be hung directly to hooks screwed into the ceiling. That would put the fixture about 4" from the cieling.

That could work but I need the attachment point to be in the center of the fixture.

This is what I started to make with some sheet metal. It needed a 10 deg. angle bent into it to offset the ceiling slope and with needing 16 of these, I'd spend more time/frustration than I'm willing to put into at this point (just finished framing, insulating, and painting the interior), so looking for a quick easy solution.