Lighting layout help

[iowa4x4dieselman]

Looking for lighting layout help on my garage/shop area on a new home build. My thoughts are I would like to have a switch for minimal lighting for daily use, or just running to the garage for a tool without having to turn on all of the lights. Also I think in the tandem area there should be another switch. I would like it to be very bright as I plan on restoring my 1979 f250 in there. any help is greatly appreciated. Also, I will be having a few 220v outlets for various things. I want to be able to run a 2 post hoist, air compressor and welder/plasma cutter. My original plant was to run either the air compressor or welder outlet with the hoist outlet, as I will know when I'm using the hoist, but would like 2 separate circuits for the air compressor and welder/plasma, as I could need the air compressor to run when using the other outlet. is there any problem with doing the outlets this way? I plan for the hoist outlet/box to be in the ceiling.

Here is a preliminary layout of the garage.

 

[iowa4x4dieselman]

anyone??

 

[oledude1952]

One needs to know how they will be using the floor space and mark it on the plan. Also where the large O.H. door(s) will be. Knowing where the parked vehicle(s) will be, storage, tool working space as you have noted, help determines the amount of good lighting needed or not needed.

And where will the F250 be sitting, as it will / may be a fixed object there for a long time. Any body or paint work to be done on it, requires a LOT of good lighting, and lighted on the sides of it also. My 79 F150 4x4 that I restored /painted in my garage, never left the inside of my garage, as it took me 7 years to do ...as money and time permitted..

And maybe even the proposed welder/air compressor locations could be marked on it also.

 

[Platonic Solid]

Not volunteering, but you're missing ceiling height and ceiling/wall finishes.

 

[Toomanytools?]

Looking for lighting layout help on my garage/shop area on a new home build. My thoughts are I would like to have a switch for minimal lighting for daily use, or just running to the garage for a tool without having to turn on all of the lights. Also I think in the tandem area there should be another switch. I would like it to be very bright as I plan on restoring my 1979 f250 in there. any help is greatly appreciated. Also, I will be having a few 220v outlets for various things. I want to be able to run a 2 post hoist, air compressor and welder/plasma cutter. My original plant was to run either the air compressor or welder outlet with the hoist outlet, as I will know when I'm using the hoist, but would like 2 separate circuits for the air compressor and welder/plasma, as I could need the air compressor to run when using the other outlet. is there any problem with doing the outlets this way? I plan for the hoist outlet/box to be in the ceiling.

Here is a preliminary layout of the garage.

You need more info on shop, once you have height you can determine correct light fixture. Let's say you have 20 fixtures it's easy enough to have say 3 switches. One would turn on 6 lights giving you enough to walk around the whole shop. Then one switch for North shop , one switch for south east shop.

The double use for 240v has been asked before, I'm pretty sure code doesn't allow daisy chain for 240v outlet. I think you need to lock out the one your not using. You can run into trouble if you just used the air compressor, then 5 minutes later use the lift and the compressor kicks on tripping the circuit.

 

[Low277]

I believe you can use multiple 230 volt receptacles on a circuit, if no single fixed in place load is rated at 50% or more of the ampacity of the circuit. Not sure what the loads of your compressor, welder and hoist are?

Edit: Also agree that ceiling height and surface finishes as well as Oh door and equipment locations may affect where you put lights and what style to use.

 

[iowa4x4dieselman]

Sorry for the delay the sketch I have so far is just hand drawn. I will try to get this put in sketchup. I would like the air compressor to be on the outside corner so it lessens the noise instead of being on the house wall. The lift is the 2 squares. I’m not 100% on the cabinets I may run them more on the house wall instead of the rear wall to give myself more room in the front of the lift to work. The interior will be 145” ceiling height with drywall. I believe the concrete will be approx 2 ft up and then 10’ walls on top of that. Garage doors are 18x8 and 10x8 with direct drive openers and high rise tracks.


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[Arkive]

I believe you can use multiple 230 volt receptacles on a circuit, if no single fixed in place load is rated at 50% or more of the ampacity of the circuit. Not sure what the loads of your compressor, welder and hoist are?

Just wrapping up new construction now and our electrician told us residential code (Virginia) did not permit this. Maybe he wanted the extra money for running separate circuits, but our builder is pretty reputable so I'm not inclined to believe that. Ironically he said commercially it wouldn't be an issue, lol.

 

[Arkive]

Attached are what I perceive as your two best options. I attached my current garage that we are literally just now wrapping up in new construction that is extremely similar to yours (with identical ceiling and stem wall heights).

You could go with three fixtures, but I dislike the asymmetry and I think you'd have slight hot/cool spots in lighting. Plus, the five fixture configuration gives you much better perimeter lighting on your lift. I went with the 30K Lumen Hykolity high-bay 4' fixtures flush mounted (cheaper to buy direct than from Amazon) and to me it is exactly perfect for the space. I too wanted a lot of light as it will be partially a woodshop, and boy do I have it. Regardless of what lights you go with I recommend picking something LED that supports 0-10v dimming and then just overkill on the lumens. You can always install dimmers and back it down (it isn't like traditional dimmers that waste the electricity). Just make sure your lighting runs include the low voltage wiring to support that. Worst case you're out a trivial sum in slightly more expensive wiring. I thought I was going overkill on the lumens as well but it ended up being spot on to my tastes. I'll take a lumen measurement one evening I'm over there and update you with that if it helps. Good luck.

*Edit* - A combination of the two would technically give the most *even* lighting with three horizontal on the left and one perpendicular/vertical in the smaller/right bay. Again, I'm just not a fan of fixture asymmetry.

 

[GRB]

There is nothing reasonable in using 3-5 lights in 1400 sq ft with 12' ceilings. Also nothing reasonable in using 30K lumen 2x4' fixtures at 12'. If you don't have a hoist and are not working under cars it moves it a bit off insanity.
Take a good look at Platonic's sticky at the top. More fixtures, less light per unit. Also need light at the front/back and sides of the hoist area. If the bench at front and side of hoist is a work bench, you can use some task lighting over the bench to help fill that in but I prefer to have good shop lighting then add some task lighting over benches where you might want a lot of light. Don't forget even lighting goes downhill when you start putting stuff on white walls.

 

[iowa4x4dieselman]

Here's what i had in mind, don't know if this is too much, or not enough. Not sure what the best light fixture is for having the tall ceilings? is a high bay the preferred choice? I wanted lights that i could turn on if i just needed to run out to the garage for a sec or for getting things in and out of vehicles in the garage. That is where i came up with the "regular" lights. Also if im in the work area, not sure i needed the whole garage lit up, so thought about setting up different switches for that stuff. I keep kicking the idea of ceiling fans around, but then i gotta figure out where they would go . I plan to have parties/get-together's out there so fans may be necessary. Thanks all for the ideas so far.

 

[iowa4x4dieselman]

anyone??