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That is an interesting concept I have not seen. I love the idea of no mess as that is why the water bowl got moved to the laundry room tile floor instead of the kitchen hardwoods. Not sure it would hold enough water for 4 large dogs though :ROFLMAO: We currently have a bowl that holds one gallon and I fill it twice almost every day.
 
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More progress tho it appears very little visually. Got by HD and got what I needed to finalize the electrical for the microwave and espresso machine. Those are now done. Built the surround for the microwave and got the lower drawer under the microwave installed.

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Fortunately this will be the most complicated column of cabinets. The rest are fairly straight forward…well on this side of the stove anyway. Tomorrow I’ll tackle finishing the column in the left. Lots of little trim pieces and drawers.

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On a completely unrelated note, the brake finally arrived.

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Only got about half of the tooling. Enough however to build stuff so the rest being on back order isn’t a horrendous deal. Decided not to get the 4-way die for now. In thinner gauge stuff I’d prefer to get tighter back to back bends (if so desired). Now I gotta come up with a way to store it all.

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Did you get the super-duper-fancy feet for it, or are you making your own stand?
I didn’t buy the base because I didn’t (damn auto complete) like the final working height. I’m 6’1” (and no longer bendy for long periods of time) and prefer ops to happen at the 38-42” height. That said, I wish I had ordered it now because I could have pulled it off the pallet and had it set up with I a few hours of receiving it. Building one now pushes that out maybe even a month…oh well
 
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No how the hell am I gonna remove this corner counter top by myself…

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It’s freely moving, was able to break the silicone with the hi-lift jack. But it’s HEAVY and somewhat pinched there in the corner between the fridge and the stovetop.
 
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Well, figured it out. Kinda hulk smash. 🤣

First, heated it up thinking it would help the slab fail when jacking it up. No go.

Then pinned it down in spots so it couldn’t lift and used a high lift jack to “make” it lift away.

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Made it fail. First time I was surprised where but then I kinda figure out the magic and too advantage intentionally.

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Paced around all day feeling beat only to have it handled within 10 minutes of trying. This happens all the time yet I never learn. Cracks me up. 😜

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In an unrelated note, check out this stupid design for the blind corner cabinet. Wasted space is crazy. It’s 9” to the nearest wall and much more in the absolute corner. And we couldn’t get squat in it. To think someone thought it makes even a little sense.

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Was your wife not home or is she really understanding? If i used my high lift in the house it would the headstone for my shallow grave in the backyard.
She was actually taking picture and video of it. Neither of us thought heat would help but doing it ended up fairly entertaining. 🤣

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I did have a piece of plywood under the jack between it and the floor so she wasn’t freaking…

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Doesn’t seem too amazing but for whatever reason getting the first cabinet on the other side of the stove (beyond removing the cabinets I thought would be the most difficult) felt like a big accomplishment.

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Put back the other small counter piece to the right of the stove so we had some place to put stuff while I get the remainder of the cabinets in.

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Doesn’t seem like progress but the wife is happy.

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In between SNL skits I kinda tinkered with the fridge surround. Initially I couldn’t figure out how it gets removed and then, after removing just a few screws at the top I realized it was no longer connected at all. Huh. There’s no structure to it, it’s purely a beauty panel.

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And, as luck would have it, the cabinet above is really just a little cabinet. Guess I won’t have to make a monster 8’ tall cabinet afterall.

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A little pre-work for the day - the three upper cabinets are now ready to cut.

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Started the weekend getting the drawers installed in the drawer base to the left of the stove.

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Love the Blum under mount slides. Easy to amd
Fast to install. With spreaders in the cabinet it’s nearly impossible to screw them up.

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Goal for the weekend is to get all the cases and frames made and installed for this upper banking cabinets.

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There’s 6 cabinets in this bank. Left and right have a 36” upper and a 12” cap cabinet. Then there’s two in the cove too. Another 36” and 12” cove cap. Never made a cove before. Interested to see how the table does. Started with the left and right cabinets and just made the cases. Fairly straight forward - basic boxes. In the pic below you’re looking at the bottom of the cabinet which has been machined for front and rear recessed under mount LED strips.

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Then I started messing with the 36” cove. The table cut it easy but it took me a bit to figure out that I needed to do some modifications in order to make it work.

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I didn’t do a good job of snapping pics during the fabrication . Kept making little mistakes on pieces and had to recut a few of them. Ultimately I figured it out. Ironically it’s very stout and still very light.

Notice the cleats in the wall. Using them this way enabled me to make it easier to mount and align the set of cabinets.

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This is how far I got by Saturday night. Ran into a problem with the cap cove cabinet. Turns out the wall isn’t exactly even that high up.

Sunday was a long day. Figured out the cove cap and installed and built the frames for all 6 cabinets.

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I’m not sure how much space we gained over the old cabinets but it seems like quite a bit.

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Wrapped up the evening getting the pots/pans base installed. They’re big.

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Now all the bases are made. Wife is going to play with them this week and see if she wants to make any changes. Her initial thought is the 4 drawer base in the above pic might be better as a 3-drawer. I’m encouraging her to think it thru, nows the time if we need to make changes and I’d rather have to build another cabinet now instead of trying to hack a fix after the counters go in.
 
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What are you doing with the empty space in the corner?
I was wondering the same thing. I got two of those lazy Suzy corner cabinets in my kitchen. One is just like the one that was in your kitchen Lilscorpion and I have another one that has the square outside casing with a round lazy Suzy inside. The nice thing about the one with the round casing is it keeps things on the shelves when others in the house overstuffs the shelves. While the one with the square casing will get jammed up with the **** that everyone stuffs in that cabinet, and it results in me having to get inside with long arms or grabbers and pull all of the stuff out until I can clear the jam. I've seen those wild elaborate pull-out drawers in the corner cabinets that seems like a better system, but I never priced what one would cost. Honestly, I was kind of expecting Lilscorpion to have one of those elaborate drawer pull-out kinds of cabinet coming in to fill in the void! ;):):ROFLMAO:
 
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What are you doing with the empty space in the corner?
Nothing, it’ll be a dead hole. That’s how we had it in the last house as well. Very much dislike the lazy Susan/hidden corner BS. They’re not very space optimized.
I I've seen those wild elaborate pull-out drawers in the corner cabinets that seems like a better system, but I never priced what one would cost. Honestly, I was kind of expecting Lilscorpion to have one of those elaborate drawer pull-out kinds of cabinet coming in to fill in the void! ;):):ROFLMAO:
I am able to use the machine to build them fancy cabinets but, after considering the needs for storage, wider and deeper cabinets were deemed more valuable which is why we decided to favor the cabinets to the side. Interestingly enough, if you do the math, even those fancy angle drawers have a lot of void space and the storage space inside is kinda wonky. I wanted to build them so I could say I did but in the end it didn’t make sense.
I was wondering about this too. It was pointed out how much space was wasted with the old corner cabinet but now I feel there is more wasted space in this config.

Maybe a cool motorized cabinet that comes up out of the countertop.
The corner is that one area I don’t care about. Maybe it’s a personal preference thing…the issue is you need to use up some space left and right of the corner cabinets so you can access that corner which impacts the space in those cabinets as well. Then, if you make the corner cabinets deep
To compensate for things I need to have a deep cabinet for, it won’t be wide… It’s a catch 22.

If I could make a hidden access panel I could probably squeak a kegerator in there…. 😜
 

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Nothing, it’ll be a dead hole. That’s how we had it in the last house as well. Very much dislike the lazy Susan/hidden corner BS. They’re not very space optimized.

I am able to use the machine to build them fancy cabinets but, after considering the needs for storage, wider and deeper cabinets were deemed more valuable which is why we decided to favor the cabinets to the side. Interestingly enough, if you do the math, even those fancy angle drawers have a lot of void space and the storage space inside is kinda wonky. I wanted to build them so I could say I did but in the end it didn’t make sense.

The corner is that one area I don’t care about. Maybe it’s a personal preference thing…the issue is you need to use up some space left and right of the corner cabinets so you can access that corner which impacts the space in those cabinets as well. Then, if you make the corner cabinets deep
To compensate for things I need to have a deep cabinet for, it won’t be wide… It’s a catch 22.

If I could make a hidden access panel I could probably squeak a kegerator in there…. 😜
I feel like with your skills you could build this corner lift instead of buying it. Put the kegerator in the basement and feed chilled glycol lines up into the cabinet with the tap motorized to come up.

 
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I understand your point, it's all about your use for the kitchen and utilizes it the best.

But why do I envision a hydraulic system that will lift the countertop in the corner to open up to a chiller area, kinda like the Demolition Man prison deal.

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My wife has said she wants one of these (actually two) for when we do the kitchen remodel. Amazing use of space, but they are pricey! Virtually eliminates any wasted shape from being easily accessible.


How they work:
 

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My wife has said she wants one of these (actually two) for when we do the kitchen remodel. Amazing use of space, but they are pricey! Virtually eliminates any wasted shape from being easily accessible.


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Those are sweet! You have me wondering how to shoe horn that into my existing kitchen. I have kitchen cabinets and then its just a huge accessible void off to the side. I store **** i only need rarely over there, but what a pain to empty the cabinet to practially crawl in to get the **** back in the deep void.
 
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So…been thinking about getting an automation solution for my dust collection blast gates and stumbled across this YouTube video by Rings Workshop o YouTube -

It’s a nest project that does exactly what I need to do…’cept I gots skills. Thinking I can do what he did like 10x more efficiently

Guesses?!?
 

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So…been thinking about getting an automation solution for my dust collection blast gates and stumbled across this YouTube video by Rings Workshop o YouTube -

It’s a nest project that does exactly what I need to do…’cept I gots skills. Thinking I can do what he did like 10x more efficiently

Guesses?!?

Watching as I've acquired the components for same thing for mine, only on 6" gates and using PLC instead of Arduino.

I debated servos/stepper instead of air for actuating, but air is just so easy. I'm planning on mounting the solenoid on the blast gate instead of in a central cabinet which should make plumbing easier with just a supply line to each but will have to run wire as well...so tradeoffs.

@slodat had some great input on my thread when I started posting some of what I was planning on, his post with the links to his build are below
 

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I feel like with your skills you could build this corner lift instead of buying it. Put the kegerator in the basement and feed chilled glycol lines up into the cabinet with the tap motorized to come up.

I've got the same problem in my kitchen, been planning to build a lift to shove the giant hobart mixer down in that space. Lift, use, drop out of sight when done. What else is a corner space than a **** catcher?
 
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Watching as I've acquired the components for same thing for mine, only on 6" gates and using PLC instead of Arduino.

I debated servos/stepper instead of air for actuating, but air is just so easy. I'm planning on mounting the solenoid on the blast gate instead of in a central cabinet which should make plumbing easier with just a supply line to each but will have to run wire as well...so tradeoffs.

@slodat had some great input on my thread when I started posting some of what I was planning on, his post with the links to his build are below
Air is cheap too and may be less complicated to implement. I’m going to greatly simplify the install and leverage my home automation controller, a home automation relay to do the grunt work, air solenoids, and air cylinders. Probably get it all done for less than $150 for 3 gates. I won’t do anything with voltage detection, I’m not sure that juice is worth the squeeze. Mostly because hitting a button to turn on/off the dust collection at each machine (meaning on button would open/close all the necessary gates and turn on/off the dust collector) is enough of an optimization I think
 
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Been busy. End of year scramble at work and hustling to get the kitchen done. Most of the work was building the face frames for the cabinets.

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Over by the espresso machine and microwave

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Front side of the island

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Remade the cabinets on the back side with a slight change to their configuration.

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Now they’re uniform size all the way across and have the unit holes for shelving. The old setup had been made right as we moved in by hand…so caveman. Ha!

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While shopping for counter tops, we realized that we’d need two slabs…this the idea to add cabinets in the dining room so we’d have a serving surface.

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As machines were running, I bounced around in the shop working on the cabinets in there as well. Assembled and hung up a few more of the wall cabinets

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Ran out of plywood, made a run. While downtown, I grabbed a few sheets of steel so I’m ready when I start playing with the plasma table during time off in December.

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And more white maple for cabinet face frames.

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Also had happy hour with the Jeep.

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Had a storm rolling in so early this morning I installed the heated mats on the dog stairs so our elderly dog can get out as needed when it’s snowing. Used ice cubes to test them.

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They wparked really well during the storm today.

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Started dabbling with doors on the router. Using a high density moisture resistant MDF.

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Turned out ok. Took making 4 doors to get the settings right in cad. Almost seemed like the changes weren’t working between the first three and then boom, the fourth was perfect.

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I’ll have to mess with the back side when I have more time but I think this will work for the fronts. Once I paint them you won’t even be able to tell they’re MDF.

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I think the double panel was the right choice too given how tall the cabinets and doors are - 42”.

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Struggling to post with end of year (work and shop scramble), no lack of progress tho. Its now 14 months since taking possession of this house and I’m still not up and running, but getting closer every day now.

Got the upper cabinets made and hung on the other side of the shop, the machine shop side.

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A pair to split the windows. Had to cut in provisions to allow the cabinet to fit around the conduit. Stuffed some of the things I’ve been pecking away at on it to get them off the bench.

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Starting to be easier to walk around the machines now too.

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Easier to walk around the shop as a whole actually.

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Got a good deal on a big boy vacuum for the router table. The one I had works well but I find myself spending way too much time screwing around trying to cut little parts primarily because the table has a hard time hanging on to UV coated/prefinished plywood. This thing is a 9hp 3phase Becker Vacuum Pump. It’s footprint is actually smaller than the F4 I was using but much heavier do to the massive size of the motor.

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About 850lbs I think. Used a tree strap to lift it off of the pallet.

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Used the machine trucks to pivot it into position. Basic PVC ducting went quick.

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Built a relay box with with a home automation controller for switching.

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While I was at it, I added an electric valve to the router table so I can shut the air off to the table itself.

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The spindle has a little jet in it to keep dust out on tooling changes but it’s permanently open so it’s more or less a 15 cfm leak always. Having a permanent leak which causes the compressor to cycle a lot, gets super annoying when doing stuff in the shop. Now I can turn it off.

Here’s the switches that control all this stuff. Once I get everything tuned, I’ll set up the vac switch to first turn on the phase converter, pause a few seconds, and the. Turn on the Vac. Same with off burning reverse order.

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I'm still jealous of your 14 month shop progress. We're about to embark on a big kitchen remodel and sticker shock is setting in. Dual fuel 48" ranges and 42" built in refrigerators are crazy 'spensive. I'm diving into the world of makeup air for a 1100 cfm range hood too. Our house is very leaky now, but I don't think it's leaky enough to make up for that much air flow.

Your progress is great! Keep hammering away at it.
 

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I'm still jealous of your 14 month shop progress. We're about to embark on a big kitchen remodel and sticker shock is setting in. Dual fuel 48" ranges and 42" built in refrigerators are crazy 'spensive. I'm diving into the world of makeup air for a 1100 cfm range hood too. Our house is very leaky now, but I don't think it's leaky enough to make up for that much air flow.

Your progress is great! Keep hammering away at it.
Curious what you end up doing for your makeup air. Active makeup air is still a "to do" for me as the passive system is totally inadequate for the 1500 cfm hood we have. Currently we open a kitchen casement window whenever we run the hood.

Before you buy your hood, talk with a factory rep and have them send you the fan curve so you can see the "turn down" of the hood. By turn down, I mean the minimum flow. Unlike your car which goes from zero to say 100 mph and any speed in between, many hoods (ours) won't do this (I recall our minimum is around 800 cfm or so which is nuts in spite of having a rheostat to control speed - not Low, Medium or High positions ).
 
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I'm still jealous of your 14 month shop progress. We're about to embark on a big kitchen remodel and sticker shock is setting in. Dual fuel 48" ranges and 42" built in refrigerators are crazy 'spensive. I'm diving into the world of makeup air for a 1100 cfm range hood too. Our house is very leaky now, but I don't think it's leaky enough to make up for that much air flow.

Your progress is great! Keep hammering away at it.
I’m pleased with the progress even though I complain. Gotta keep hustling tho, I still feel like I’m being chased by the commitments I made to get this place…

Hang in there. Appliance are an enormous expense. Never thought about it until now but they’re every bit as expensive as the machines in the shop and they don’t last near as long. Dual 48” ranges?!? That sounds awesome. Pics of the setup when it’s done? I have one 48” and it’s massive.
 

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Dual 48” ranges?!? That sounds awesome. Pics of the setup when it’s done? I have one 48” and it’s massive.
No, just one (thank goodness). Dual fuel, ie gas burners and electric ovens.

Edit: scrolled up to your photos and looks like we will have the same range and burner layout that you have. Tried to talk my wife into a 36" but she really wants two ovens in the same unit (no wall ovens).
 
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No, just one (thank goodness). Dual fuel, ie gas burners and electric ovens.

Edit: scrolled up to your photos and looks like we will have the same range and burner layout that you have. Tried to talk my wife into a 36" but she really wants two ovens in the same unit (no wall ovens).
Read it too fast. Dual fuel does make more sense. We love ours but admittedly we’ve only used the griddle part once and found it a pain in the a$$ to clean so we just don’t use it. Having all the burners is neat to look at too, but admittedly we use maybe a few at once most. Can’t ever imagine using all 6 at once. I mean, I ain’t Gordon Ramsey.
 
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Pre-holiday cheer…

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But boxes **** and want to be opened. Alas, a cast iron welding table top.

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Which needs legs…glad I have the tractor + forks

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Placed and excited…

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Some assembly required. Added lower shelf.

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Couldn’t help but to mock up the first project just to see…yup, game changer.

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Todo: figure out how to get the damn table off of the machine trucks. Haha!!
 
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