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csp

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Does that area where your labels are attached require supports when printing?

I have thought about the gridfinity stuff, but I don't think I want to be that tied to the printer running that much. Mine is an older Creality Ender 3 Pro and it's not the fastest. It ran 10 hours today printing an insert that fits in a DeWalt small tough case that holds 50 9mm pew pew rounds. I could have made the wall thickness around each round one layer less and gained an hour.
 
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Appreciate the forthcoming image. I have a red tool box and a black, so the combo color plus having a bambu drive my ocd! Thanks
 
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lilscorpion

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Does that area where your labels are attached require supports when printing?

I have thought about the gridfinity stuff, but I don't think I want to be that tied to the printer running that much. Mine is an older Creality Ender 3 Pro and it's not the fastest. It ran 10 hours today printing an insert that fits in a DeWalt small tough case that holds 50 9mm pew pew rounds. I could have made the wall thickness around each round one layer less and gained an hour.
No, no supports. They print clean without. Take them off the printer and drop them in the drawer.

The printer has been running more or less all night and day for weeks now to accumulate as many bins as I’ve needed. I’m not sure I care how long it runs to be honest, just need to let it do its thing and not focus on it (or I’ll go nuts watching paint dry). That said, my OCD and ADD don’t do well with how long it’s taking so I suppose one should consider that too. I understand now why some just source the bins and then just utilize the printer for making the widgets
 
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lilscorpion

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Been deep into getting set up to organize all of my drawers - tools, hardware, etc for all of the stuff that I have/do. I’ve played a bit with organizing my drill bits and became all in on 3D printing primarily because of the flexibility, availability of shared/existing models, and my ability to customize not only the drawers, but the containers in them which adds some additional style to my setup.

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Printing has enabled me to organize my CNC router bits and tooling making it much easier to find stuff and put things away.

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The Bambu X1C has its kinks that need to be worked thru. To a newbie it seems like 3D printing is complicated or flawed in process but as I’ve learned, it’s the newbie just learning a new process and needing to get into the rhythm if a new workflow more so than the machine itself. Make no mistake about it, the X1C is a work horse. I made a work station for it in the basement in the room that has been my office (computer on a crate style) for the last year. Now the computer shares the top with the printer…better yet still not ideal.

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It’s not too difficult to burn thru filament if you keep a printer running 24/7 and quickly I learned it’s not easy to get it quickly via mail order so stocking up a little in advance will be important. Initially I just ordered black and gray primarily with a few odd colors to play with. It was easy to store it where I haven’t installed the pull out trash can slide yet. It was at least out of the way.

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But then I’d have an idea th that required additional colors. Honestly, it’s not too dissimilar to powder coating. Your brain starts to wander “I could make this if I only had read” or “it’d be cool if I had some blue“ and before I knew it. I had piles of filament.

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Then piles get moved around and start to impede the workspace. You need PETG for this, PLA works for that. Easy to end up with 30 spools.

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Enough was enough of that. Felt like I was unable to use the only office space I had to work so I decided I needed to add storage for filament. Normally I make cabinets that fit and then then drawer space is the drawer space but this time I figured out what the drawer dimensions needed to be to store filament and backed into the cabinet size.

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As soon as they were in place, I was excited to get the filament out away. The cardboard pile as crazy but seeing the drawer fill up, gaining the space in the room back, and the drawers look so organized be so organized was so rewarding..

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Firstram

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Been deep into getting set up to organize all of my drawers - tools, hardware, etc for all of the stuff that I have/do. I’ve played a bit with organizing my drill bits and became all in on 3D printing primarily because of the flexibility, availability of shared/existing models, and my ability to customize not only the drawers, but the containers in them which adds some additional style to my setup.

IMG_5135.jpeg

Printing has enabled me to organize my CNC router bits and tooling making it much easier to find stuff and put things away.

IMG_5136.jpeg

The Bambu X1C has its kinks that need to be worked thru. To a newbie it seems like 3D printing is complicated or flawed in process but as I’ve learned, it’s the newbie just learning a new process and needing to get into the rhythm if a new workflow more so than the machine itself. Make no mistake about it, the X1C is a work horse. I made a work station for it in the basement in the room that has been my office (computer on a crate style) for the last year. Now the computer shares the top with the printer…better yet still not ideal.

IMG_5239.jpeg

It’s not too difficult to burn thru filament if you keep a printer running 24/7 and quickly I learned it’s not easy to get it quickly via mail order so stocking up a little in advance will be important. Initially I just ordered black and gray primarily with a few odd colors to play with. It was easy to store it where I haven’t installed the pull out trash can slide yet. It was at least out of the way.

IMG_5230.jpeg

But then I’d have an idea th that required additional colors. Honestly, it’s not too dissimilar to powder coating. Your brain starts to wander “I could make this if I only had read” or “it’d be cool if I had some blue“ and before I knew it. I had piles of filament.

IMG_5231.jpeg

Then piles get moved around and start to impede the workspace. You need PETG for this, PLA works for that. Easy to end up with 30 spools.

IMG_5249.jpeg

Enough was enough of that. Felt like I was unable to use the only office space I had to work so I decided I needed to add storage for filament. Normally I make cabinets that fit and then then drawer space is the drawer space but this time I figured out what the drawer dimensions needed to be to store filament and backed into the cabinet size.

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As soon as they were in place, I was excited to get the filament out away. The cardboard pile as crazy but seeing the drawer fill up, gaining the space in the room back, and the drawers look so organized be so organized was so rewarding..

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The problem with this approach is my wife would notice how many spools I actually have!
 

moab11

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Yep filament stockpiling is a real thing! All the different types of pla (solids, color fades, glow in the dark, silk, matte, etc) then PETG and ASA. I have some ABS, but don't really see myself using it much, it just stinks too much and ASA seems to be better all around.
I am also working on a better storage solution, and a rough count put me at about 150 spools o_O
 
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lilscorpion

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Yep filament stockpiling is a real thing! All the different types of pla (solids, color fades, glow in the dark, silk, matte, etc) then PETG and ASA. I have some ABS, but don't really see myself using it much, it just stinks too much and ASA seems to be better all around.
I am also working on a better storage solution, and a rough count put me at about 150 spools o_O
Dang.
 
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lilscorpion

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Think it was about 12 years ago I posted about a table saw injury. Lay in the day, getting tired but pushing thru and it happened. Touched my middle finger on my left hand to the blade and ended up in the emergency room. The outcome of the event was I sold the Jet contractors table saw and purchased a SawStop. Advertising and all, seemed cheaper than the regency room. To be honest, every time I use it I wonder if it’ll actually work when I have my next moment.

Today I did. I was giding a sheet into the saw when I heard a bang. Like a “I broke the F’n table saw bang”. I honestly stood there looking at the material like “what did I do? Did the blade bind?!?” Nope, I actually got my finger into the blade and the saw did its job.

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How it works as I understand it - when it senses flesh, based on me the human flesh grounding the saw to the earth, the the aluminum brake is thrown in to the blade. Here’s the amazing part - the rotation of the blade hitting the aluminum brake causes the blade to reverse force of the blade against a spring that makes the blade pull away from the operator and retract back into the saw like instantaneously. No ****. Impressive and violent. Blade ($75) and brake ($100) are junk.

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It saved an emergency room visit and I can still count to 10. I’ve had worse cuts from end mills, plywood, and even paper. Less than 1 minute after injury I was back at it no bandaid, no ****. SawStop, $3k, yes. I almost want to buy another just because it worked but don’t need too, just another blade and brake. Awesome.

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This is the exact reason I have a Sawstop. Helps it's a damn nice saw but the peace of mind is invaluable for when I screw up something else can still help save me from a potentially serious injury. Glad it wasn't worse, and in good news you have some new wall art or the start of a shop clock!
 

pickles

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I had the brake on my Sawstop go off once. I did not touch the blade. Instead it went off because I was trying to cut some wood that was too moist. It made a hell of a bang, Glad you are OK.
 

Bessy

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Man every time I see a post like this I think I should have just bit the bullet and bought a s.s....

I do really like my Laguna though, and I could buy two for the price of a single Sawstop here in Canada. Even still, I have a healthy fear of the table saw, and have done far more damage to myself with an Olfa knife, which I just don't think is high on the list of tools requiring a major safety investment in the near or far terms.
 

cccoltsicehockey

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Man every time I see a post like this I think I should have just bit the bullet and bought a s.s....

I do really like my Laguna though, and I could buy two for the price of a single Sawstop here in Canada. Even still, I have a healthy fear of the table saw, and have done far more damage to myself with an Olfa knife, which I just don't think is high on the list of tools requiring a major safety investment in the near or far terms.
I have the opposite problem with my saw really. I always use basic safety measures with it but I can't say I have enough of a fear of it and do worry that sometimes when cutting repetitive cuts I will get a bit lax on my safety. I think that is my biggest drawl to it until I look at the price. Maybe I need to look at it like @lilscorpion does though and saving myself a trip to the E.R.
 
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lilscorpion

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I have the opposite problem with my saw really. I always use basic safety measures with it but I can't say I have enough of a fear of it and do worry that sometimes when cutting repetitive cuts I will get a bit lax on my safety. I think that is my biggest drawl to it until I look at the price. Maybe I need to look at it like @lilscorpion does though and saving myself a trip to the E.R.
It’s kinda like insurance that you never hope to you’re and, if you’re lucky, you get to complain about having to have years down the road because you never did need it.

Reality is however, that if you spend enough time on the saw you’re really just increasing the risk of having a moment. And that’s all it takes to end up injured in a way that could be life altering. I’m in technology and typing is kinda important. Typing with 9 or 8 fingers could be done but would be an adjustment and might impact my ability to work. So I considered saving $1k in a hobby vs the consequence of impacting my ability to pay for said hobby…an easy decision.
 

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It’s kinda like insurance that you never hope to you’re and, if you’re lucky, you get to complain about having to have years down the road because you never did need it.

Reality is however, that if you spend enough time on the saw you’re really just increasing the risk of having a moment. And that’s all it takes to end up injured in a way that could be life altering. I’m in technology and typing is kinda important. Typing with 9 or 8 fingers could be done but would be an adjustment and might impact my ability to work. So I considered saving $1k in a hobby vs the consequence of impacting my ability to pay for said hobby…an easy decision.
Well said.
 

86turbodsl

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I remember reading years ago in one of the WW forums out there about the guy that developed the SS. Went to like every saw manufacturer wanting to license the technology to them. Every single one said EFF off. So he said EFF you all and started a company to sell them and now is probably laughing all the way to the bank. People want this tech. If i did more work on a table saw, i'd have a SS. Glad you're ok. You do beautiful work.
 
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lilscorpion

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Been doing a bad job updating here though I’m making progress. In recent weeks I’ve been focused on finalizing the cabinets in the shop and have begun organizing within the drawers.

3D printing is going to be a big part of drawer organization for years to come so I finalized my setup in my office. With filament storage more or less handled, I focused on expanding my print capabilities in a hope to accelerate organization in the shop.

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With 3 now running night and day, I’m able organize a drawer in days instead of weeks. Shortly after getting them up however, I learned the multi-color prints for multiple drawers using multiple schemes can get cause me to run out and delay prints…so I slowly added a second AMS to each machine so I can run two spools of every color I use. For maintenance reasons I decided to put them in overhead cabinets with slide out drawers too.

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For the past few weeks they’ve been running full tilt…

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What I’ve found remarkable is how such a massive pile of bins can fill such a few number of drawers. I’m not just making bins either. I’m designing specialty storage for things along the way to make everything as accessible and organized as possible (intent is to learn hit I build things, practice). Some are simple.

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Some detailed in different ways using the slicer features.

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lilscorpion

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More examples - for my digital level

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I’m oscillating between custom designs and those shared by others in the community which are good enough I dont feel like there’s a need to re-invent them. That said, I have to print samples of each in many cases to determine if they’ll actually work for my situation.

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In some cases, like with router bits, I’ll use a hybrid approach incorporating multiple designs because none ended up ideal for all bit types.

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But some are custom to my setup that no one has tackled online like the storage solutions for my power coating cups two of which require the entire printers bed

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So much better than just thrown in the drawer.

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And bins in the High temp silicone plugs and caps drawer.

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Dh3256

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I remember reading years ago in one of the WW forums out there about the guy that developed the SS. Went to like every saw manufacturer wanting to license the technology to them. Every single one said EFF off. So he said EFF you all and started a company to sell them and now is probably laughing all the way to the bank. People want this tech. If i did more work on a table saw, i'd have a SS. Glad you're ok. You do beautiful work.
Actually Gass is an attorney that bought the technology, tried to force everyone to adopt it at abusive licensing fee rates, tried to get the government to mandate it, and aggressively litigated against superior alternative technologies. He recently "generously" offered to share the technology at no cost, now that the patent has expired and he has no means to enforce his predatory licensing fees.

His motivation appears to be financial greed rather than real concern about improving safety. Bosch developed a much better, much more economical solution that did not require expensive cartridge replacement when activated. Now that the patent has lapsed, maybe they will release that design and solution.
 

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Thanks for that! Significantly different story than i heard many years ago! Wow.
Matches what I have heard. He also is only conditionally offering the patent pieces when it's government mandated.

P.R. goes a long way.

I love all the gridfinity stuff. I am borrowing a friends bedslinger 3d printer and want to do more, but being maxed out at 100 mm/s on print feed is just making things too slow. Wanted to get a Bambu until all the third party nonsense. Maybe later this year.
 

patlun

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I love all the gridfinity stuff. I am borrowing a friends bedslinger 3d printer and want to do more, but being maxed out at 100 mm/s on print feed is just making things too slow. Wanted to get a Bambu until all the third party nonsense. Maybe later this year.
Without bashing Bambu Labs, they make great printers. I suggest that you look into either Qidi or Crealitys K-series (I have a K1C with about 1000 faultless hours) , their new Hi, or look at some of the new kids on the block. There is some other new ones in the pipe from other brands I have seen
 
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patlun

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3D printing is going to be a big part of drawer organization for years to come so I finalized my setup in my office. With filament storage more or less handled, I focused on expanding my print capabilities in a hope to accelerate organization in the shop.
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For the past few weeks they’ve been running full tilt…

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That is a really nice printer farm you have there,
 
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