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I am looking for opinions on a brand for long flex head ratcheting wrenches. I am not really looking for any certain style, such as having a flex ratcheting end on each side with a different side, having the flex head on one end and a regular box on other of same size, having a flex ratcheting box on one end and an open on the other, etc... as long as they are long pattern wrenches and there is a side for each size that is a ratcheting box end.

I am looking at 10-19mm at a minimum, would like to get a 21mm in there, but from what I see, that is either not possible or is very expensive. I do not want locking flex heads, nice feature to have, but all of them are problematic and weaken the wrench. Reversible is another feature I don't have interest in. I would consider it though if somehow there was no extra cost to the set for it.

I am aware that Gearwrench is a popular set like this and has a generally good warranty, but at a cost of $300, pass. I simply cannot justify that high of a cost unless my need increases. I have needed a set like this (wanted and preferred really) very few times, as I am generally able to work fairly well with the tool assortment I have. For the same reason, I have no interest in brands like Snap-On, Matco, etc that charge the $300 Gearwrench wants for the whole set for one wrench. I exaggerate a bit there but their prices are 2-3x higher from Gearwrench usually.

I have done a good amount of research. I know there is Mountain, which seems to either not be selling them anymore (just NOS), is out of supply due to the supply chain issues, or something. ATD is another brand coming in at $200. Craftsman has a set at $180, but there are missing sizes (like 15, 16, 18mm) so I pass there. Amazon has numerous brands, Orion, ABN, some weird brand names and others, but the reviews stop me quickly. Many complaints, but in fairness, I cannot tell for sure if those complains are user error or abuse... or are they real complains. Just because the wrench is long does not mean the wrench can handle the 2x+ more torque you can generate, even by hand only. This is something I want to be clear on, abuse like that will break even the most expensive wrench. I would also prefer a warranty, but again with this type of wrench, I expect a warranty to about double the cost of the generic Amazon brands, because they need to honor that warranty on a high abuse tool.

My query is too see what others use on the non tool truck brands and what the experiences are. I dont really care what the brand name is or where it was made, I only care that it is a good and proper tool that does not break or fail under proper use.
 
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Unless you have an expense account where your boss will buy you whatever you want… get whatever flavor of Kabo that is available to you.

ICON is great… it’s even better when they have a coupon. There are probably 15 other brands made by Kabo, though.
 

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Icon, ATD, and Platinum are probably the cheapest available Kabo-made wrenches at the moment. They do all have the reversing feature however.

Other than those, you're looking at the random amazon brands you mentioned which have slightly different features and different (possibly fewer) skips.

If you do wind up with one of those "off-brands", let us know how they work. I'm also looking.
 

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I have the mountain set and love it. It's definitely Kabo as well. Yes you can break these, but they are pretty study. Mine are handy enough that I'd just immediately buy another one.
 

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Those ICON long flex DBE are the universal spline type ends. They seem a little gimmicky to me, but I've heard that fasteners tend to get stuck on them more compared to regular 12 point ends.
 

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I am cautious with my Mountain set. Honestly wish there was a way to self warranty as I hear the warranty from Mountain is lacking. Being SOL on the warranty I would have to **** it up and buy a single from Matco. Would have bought the Icon set for the warranty if it was available 4 years ago.
 
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I am cautious with my Mountain set. Honestly wish there was a way to self warranty as I hear the warranty from Mountain is lacking. Being SOL on the warranty I would have to **** it up and buy a single from Matco. Would have bought the Icon set for the warranty if it was available 4 years ago.
Yeah, this is my concern with many expensive tools now. Not just the brand going out of business, but also discontinuing the tool. Another reason I am looking into the cheaper brands of these wrenches. If they are cheap enough, it might be worth going with no warranty and just replacing if I break one, but I first need to see the true experiences of others with the tool. If they break easily under proper use, no point. But if they really hold up well and break only under abuse, well, then they are the same as the expensive brands. I dont trust the Mountain or ATD warranty. I am not sure I can trust the ICON brand. I do not own any of their tools, and I Am not a tool snob where if it is not Snap-On, Matco, MAC, etc I call it junk.... but HF's other brands are average at best and from what I have seen from ICON tools, they are not all that great and are over priced for what they are. That is my opinion though, I would not be surprised in the ICON wrenches we refer to here are the same as the ones sold for $60 on Amazon. Yes, HF would have a warranty, but we are talking 3x the price or more.

Would be nice if Husky has this product, a fairly good tool with a solid brand... although some have complained that some Home Depot stores give issues with warranty. I think that is the case with all brands though.

I have this exact situation with many of my old Craftsman tools. Whether you like the brand or not, I used these tools for over 30 years now and the number of them I have broke is less than a handful. However, SB&D does not offer over half of what Sears did under the brand, making those tools covered under a warranty that cannot provide a replacement. I find myself buying cheap sets of tools like wrenches and sockets in the cases where I need to really pound on them, so if I know I Am going to abuse it, I don't risk the tools that cannot be replaced. However, most Taiwan tools made today are better than the USA Craftsman ones anyway, so ....
 
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I paid about £100 for my Mountain set (In the UK we can't get ICON or Matco etc.)

Good points are they are 90 tooth, reversible, have the stepped offset
and the spline drive makes them easy to index.

I wouldn’t put a cheater pipe on them or yank too hard on the smaller sizes as I have no way to warranty them.

I would definately buy again, very useful and good value for money 👍
 

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I think your assessment is correct. The "ok" brands are out of stock and overpriced. The junk is irredeemable.

When I found myself in a similar situation, I closed my eyes and ponied up for Snap On.
 

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I am cautious with my Mountain set. Honestly wish there was a way to self warranty as I hear the warranty from Mountain is lacking. Being SOL on the warranty I would have to **** it up and buy a single from Matco. Would have bought the Icon set for the warranty if it was available 4 years ago.
This is the very reason I went with Icon.
 

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If you need to put a cheater pipe on a wrench that is already a foot or longer in length you're using the wrong tool. I wonder how many people that complain about the KABO wrenches breaking do so only when they have gone full gorilla mode. I use the ICON/Mountain wrenches for 95% of these situations and when it's time for the cheater pipe I use my TOPTUL or Genius zero offset wrenches on those rare occasions. KABO designed their wrenches to withstand the amount of torque applied for a tool of that length. If you double the length you can't blame them for your stupidity.
 

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Yeah, this is my concern with many expensive tools now. Not just the brand going out of business, but also discontinuing the tool. Another reason I am looking into the cheaper brands of these wrenches. If they are cheap enough, it might be worth going with no warranty and just replacing if I break one, but I first need to see the true experiences of others with the tool. If they break easily under proper use, no point. But if they really hold up well and break only under abuse, well, then they are the same as the expensive brands. I dont trust the Mountain or ATD warranty. I am not sure I can trust the ICON brand. I do not own any of their tools, and I Am not a tool snob where if it is not Snap-On, Matco, MAC, etc I call it junk.... but HF's other brands are average at best and from what I have seen from ICON tools, they are not all that great and are over priced for what they are. That is my opinion though, I would not be surprised in the ICON wrenches we refer to here are the same as the ones sold for $60 on Amazon. Yes, HF would have a warranty, but we are talking 3x the price or more.

Would be nice if Husky has this product, a fairly good tool with a solid brand... although some have complained that some Home Depot stores give issues with warranty. I think that is the case with all brands though.

I have this exact situation with many of my old Craftsman tools. Whether you like the brand or not, I used these tools for over 30 years now and the number of them I have broke is less than a handful. However, SB&D does not offer over half of what Sears did under the brand, making those tools covered under a warranty that cannot provide a replacement. I find myself buying cheap sets of tools like wrenches and sockets in the cases where I need to really pound on them, so if I know I Am going to abuse it, I don't risk the tools that cannot be replaced. However, most Taiwan tools made today are better than the USA Craftsman ones anyway, so ....
The Icon are made by Kabo, just like the Mountain, ATD, and many many others. There's a whole thread about it here.
 

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These are my favorite long patterns. Double box end, ratcheting and fixed in same size on each wrench. Break the bolt loose with one side, flip and use the other to loosen the rest of the way

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I think this is the direction I'm headed, except I see they now offer this with a flex head on the ratcheting end. And except you'd be into gearwrench for over $500 if you bought both the metric and Sae :/
 

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I think this is the direction I'm headed, except I see they now offer this with a flex head on the ratcheting end. And except you'd be into gearwrench for over $500 if you bought both the metric and Sae :/
It's the SAE that is the real killer, if you're not in any rush, just wait for amazon to put them on sale. The 13-piece SAE set has gone down as low as $152, back in 2020.

I just picked up the 12-piece metric set for $79 last November. Again, just keep em in your cart or 'saved for later' list and snag em when they go on sale.
 

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I think this is the direction I'm headed, except I see they now offer this with a flex head on the ratcheting end. And except you'd be into gearwrench for over $500 if you bought both the metric and Sae :/
I keep seeing a set on Amazon, that I keep meaning to try. Only metric, but the price is right. They seel the 15 and 18 separate from the set for some reason... About 80ish for the set, no 9 or 11, otherwise 8-22

They also sell both an SAE and Metric flex end XL DBE
 
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@Zewten, how often do you find you need a 9, 11, 20 or 21? They now sell a 15 and 18 separate.

Now trying to find an excuse to buy them...
 

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You might want to read this thread:


There are several schools of thought on XL flex head ratcheting wrenches. You can buy the cheap strangely named versions on Amazon and consider them consumable, then buy better replacements as they fail or you can spend a lot more and buy a better version to start with. Good luck in your quest. :beer:
 

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Guy on ebay has the metric Gearwrench set above pretty cheap right now.


115.98 with free shipping.

SAE from 5/16 to 3/4 is $116.64 Not a huge fan of gearwrench, but at that price, I bought one of each set.

One warning: I realize that there are not many situations where the reversing feature is needed on a ratcheting wrench. I have seen more than one ***** loosen a fastener until it was up against a bracket or some immovable object. With no way to reverse, you are, at that point, just cutting the bolt/stud. If you are already in a tight space, that may be problematic.
 
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Guy on ebay has the metric Gearwrench set above pretty cheap right now.


115.98 with free shipping.

SAE from 5/16 to 3/4 is $116.64 Not a huge fan of gearwrench, but at that price, I bought one of each set.

One warning: I realize that there are not many situations where the reversing feature is needed on a ratcheting wrench. I have seen more than one ***** loosen a fastener until it was up against a bracket or some immovable object. With no way to reverse, you are, at that point, just cutting the bolt/stud. If you are already in a tight space, that may be problematic.
Amazon has that set at $119.78. That is a set I already have and find it a very nice set. I bought mine back in 2020 though at a price of around $140.
 

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sell them and get icon

If there was a good chance of me busting one then maybe. Like some of the other suggestions I also have long aviation wrenches + couldn't resist buying the Gearwrench set for $79 General Geoff posted. I think I am set for now.

not sure I can trust the ICON brand

Icon / Harbor Freight, even as a private company, has one of the better balance sheets to back any warranty claims. Probably up there with Home Depot.

I think the HF's have a higher ratcheting count than the 60 tooth platinums for example.
 

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If there was a good chance of me busting one then maybe. Like some of the other suggestions I also have long aviation wrenches + couldn't resist buying the Gearwrench set for $79 General Geoff posted. I think I am set for now.



Icon / Harbor Freight, even as a private company, has one of the better balance sheets to back any warranty claims. Probably up there with Home Depot.

I think the HF's have a higher ratcheting count than the 60 tooth platinums for example.
Where did you get it for $79?
 

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I picked up a used set of the Cornwell-stamped Kabos for nearly as much as new Mountains were. I’ve got the peace of mind of the warranty (maybe?) and they’ve been excellent, they show up here and there along with Matco’s version.

Someone on here shared sage advice that long ratcheting wrenches are for reach, not torque. I’ll use an old breaker bar if something’s giving trouble and not stress about breaking the wrench.
 

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I've had no issues warranty wise (broke my 17 x 19 once) on my mountain set. I got them from tool topia. Matco was out of stock when I wanted them.

I have bigger 21x22mm and 24x2mm from Matco.
 

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I've had no issues warranty wise (broke my 17 x 19 once) on my mountain set. I got them from tool topia. Matco was out of stock when I wanted them.

I have bigger 21x22mm and 24x2mm from Matco.
I've been lusting for a 21X22mm but at $130 it was more than I bought my entire set for back in the day. My dream is HF starts selling an expansion pack.
 

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I have the Icon set and it has been great for me - super handy in some odd spots. There's nothing particularly specialty about this tool, so I trust Icon as much as anyone short of SnapOn to have these around to warranty.

Another source would be Napa/Carlyle, which sells the same Kabo-made set as HF (there's also a 4-piece SAE). Napa's warranty is a little unclear, but guessing it's a walk-in/walk-out like HF. It's $412 (vs. $225 for the Icon), though they do occasionally run good sales.

For higher-grump things, I have the Icon extra-long double-box set. I haven't needed it too much so far. If I had to pick one, it would definitely be the flex set.
 

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You know a GearWrench serpentine belt tool with some pass thru socket can actually solve most of your problems and cost a lot less.
 

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I have the Icon set and it has been great for me - super handy in some odd spots. There's nothing particularly specialty about this tool, so I trust Icon as much as anyone short of SnapOn to have these around to warranty.

Another source would be Napa/Carlyle, which sells the same Kabo-made set as HF (there's also a 4-piece SAE). Napa's warranty is a little unclear, but guessing it's a walk-in/walk-out like HF. It's $412 (vs. $225 for the Icon), though they do occasionally run good sales.

For higher-grump things, I have the Icon extra-long double-box set. I haven't needed it too much so far. If I had to pick one, it would definitely be the flex set.
Its a bit crazy that Carlyle is more than Matco @ ~$380. Icon with a coupon is the best deal currently. For reference I bought the Mountain set for ~$115 back in 2018.
 

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@Zewten, how often do you find you need a 9, 11, 20 or 21? They now sell a 15 and 18 separate.

Now trying to find an excuse to buy them...
I use an 11 fairly often but the gaps didn't bother me, but I thought the op wanted a set without skips so. I didn't keep my Durabilt set because of the lack of 15 and 18 which I use all the time.
 

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Sounds good. Want trying to sound targeted, was actually curious. Not sure if I would count it as skips for only 9 and 11, but I also would worry about too much leverage on a small bolt head. Was curious if you had them pre 15/18 available (which sounds like you did).
 
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Many mentioned skips, that is always a concern / bother with me. I never had any luck with sets with skips. I seem to always have the luck of needing one or more of the skips, then being annoyed. I am not a professional, but my use resembles more of an independent shop vs a dealer. I work on all sorts of cars for myself, family, friends and the occasional side job stuff. For me, there is no such thing as an unused size, at least in the 8-19mm range. I would however be just fine if the 21mm size was added as I see that size very often, and I would be ok with skipping the 20mm.

how often do you find you need a 9, 11, 20 or 21? They now sell a 15 and 18 separate.

The 21mm is used a LOT, enough that I have multiple 21mm sockets in both 3/8 and 1/2 drive, as well as extra wrenches (duplicates). Used a lot on brakes for me, also suspension components. Just did brakes on a LaCrosse which uses 21mm for the front caliper bracket bolts. The 15 and 16mm are important, 18mm being also common on brakes and suspension. 15mm is used on a lot of random places, drain plugs come to mind. The 9 is big on brake bleeders, so is 11mm, which is also used on battery clamps and interiors. On my cars, I will often crack the bleeder screws when doing other things like an oil change. Not to open it, but just to make sure it moves then retighten it.

Bleeders are a big thing for me, especially in my location. When working on brakes, rust is the biggest factor. I rarely ever do a brake job where the brake pads are worn to the point of needing replacement. It is usually rust jacking, light fractures on the rotors, uneven wear due to frozen caliper pins, pulsating brake pedal complaint, etc. On occasion I see some stuck pistons, and have even seen one that was popped out, this photo is how the caliper came off:

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Given the circumstances of the car shown above, I repaired that caliper, was able to reuse the piston sea and boot, but needed to hone the caliper a bit. For such things, the brake bleeder is required to do such a repair. While most would say that a repair on that is not proper, and I agree, it was done to give the owner time to get a new car, and it worked fine without leaks for a few months before that happened. I shared the above only to show a crazy example on why I like to keep bleeders in good shape, supporting the use for wrenches of this style in 9 and 11mm sizes. For those who are wondering how the above happened, I can only speculate. From what I saw, it seems one of the pads came apart due to rust jacking, and the pad material fell completely out, leaving only the metal backing plate. This caused the piston to extend too far, popping out of the caliper.

It is not about leverage for me with these wrenches, it is about reach. I recently replaced a passenger side Toyota CV and ended up with a setup using a wrench, wrench extender AND a wrench (box end to open end to extend) in order to reach a bolt. It was only a 14mm, but quite hard to get to. Socket use would not work, as space was too limited, I used a standard combo wrench on the fastener. If I had a flex head long wrench, I could have used only a wrench extender and been a lot safer. I don't like using the double wrench trick at all, much less in a series of other things. This CV had the worst damage I have ever seen:

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The bolt I needed to reach was to remove one of the bolts on the carrier bracket that hold/supports the bearing that exists on the passenger side CV. There was no way the CV would slide out, as the Toyota procedures suggest.

I over shared a bit, but I know people here like to see pictures of things :)

EDIT: I did not clean any grease off of that CV, that is what it looked like once I pulled the boot off.
 
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