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Innovate1

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Have some pallet racking to paint and also plan to do a couple rooms in the house - one being the basement equipment room where we plan to spray the open ceiling with ducts, wires, etc. Don't know much about spray guns... Dad had an air type sprayer years ago. Was looking at Wagner units. They have some where the gun has a small paint container and the compressor is separate. Seems like a reasonable way to go for small projects. They also have a unit with a 1.5 gal tank on the compressor so the hose carries paint rather than just air. The first is a HVLP unit with pressure something like 2 PSI. The larger one had max pressure of 1500 PSI which surprised me. What should I be looking for for limited, general use. I expect everything I will be working with will be latex or water based. At this point I don't even know what I don't know...

Here's the models I was looking at although there may be ones that better suit my activities.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Wagner-PaintReady-Station-Stationary-HVLP-Paint-Sprayer/999972628
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Wagner-Control-Pro-130-Electric-Stationary-Airless-Paint-Sprayer/1000938994
 
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brownbagg

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i got one of those wagners from the box store, its been pretty good the last 22 years, no complaints
 

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I bought this model (or similar) about 18 years ago, it has painted many homes on the outside, I've never tried it inside but am about ready to do a basement. It really is one of the handiest tools I own, mainly because I hate painting. I paid about $250 now it is almost $600.

 

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I picked up an Avanti model from harbor freight a couple months ago for ~$200. It works great, sprayed primer through a whole house remodel and will use it again for exterior paint next. Glad to have it. The usual caveats apply: the overspray makes a mess, it's kind of a pain to clean out and it uses a lot more paint than rolling. But it's a hell of a time and labor saver.
 

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An advantage of the small gun w/ it's own paint container is that when doing small jobs it is much quicker to clean. It also runs out of paint a lot quicker. An advantage of the 1.5 gal on the pump is you just keep spraying. It is really nice to spray large areas with. OTOH, getting the paint out of the pump, the hose, and the gun is big project. Enough of a project that you may end up not using the sprayer unless you are doing a whole room. Last time I rented one from HD I ran 3 gal of hot water through the thing and the guy at HD said it still wasn't completely clean. Fortunately he got it clean quickly so didn't charge me. BTW be sure to check what paints each will work for Spraying rustoleum vs latex interior paint will probably require a nozzle change. So be sure yours will do both.
 

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For such projects, and no long-term need…
Just rent an airless sprayer from HD for a day or two for each project- or a couple of projects at one time.
 
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I can buy a decent brand (Wagner) gun for a couple days rent. True it's not as good as the one I would be renting but plenty good for my needs and then I have flexibility on when I use it. Ended up getting a Wagner Flexio 2500 from HD for $125.10 with my military discount. Got almost all the pallet rack primed and painted today(ran out of paint). Not good for large areas but we decided it would be easier to just roll those with all the taping that spray would need.
 

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If your going to be a life long DIY'er who enjoys working on and around the house then an airless is your friend. Think about painting your house over several years, projects that like to put a coat of paint on. Painting the inside of your house, or say painting cabinets the list can go on and on, but buying an airless and wanting it to last very long time will require you to keep it very clean after each use and store it in good dry place and if possible low humidity. I have an airless Graco 395 but I also have the handheld airless by Graco which just about cost as much and one the airless rigs that HD sells. For me I have painted cabinets, crown, trim, door jams, walls, ceilings, ext of home and garage twice. Building now my retirement home and I will be doing it all over again.
I have seen others use those airless from HD that comes with paint container which seems pretty neat, look up which airless your interested in on Youtubes.
 

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I can buy a decent brand (Wagner) gun for a couple days rent. True it's not as good as the one I would be renting but plenty good for my needs and then I have flexibility on when I use it. Ended up getting a Wagner Flexio 2500 from HD for $125.10 with my military discount. Got almost all the pallet rack primed and painted today(ran out of paint). Not good for large areas but we decided it would be easier to just roll those with all the taping that spray would need.

That is what I'm finding as well. I have to paint the front of my house and at $95/day or $255/week to rent I have a lot of options to buy something in the $200-300 range.
 
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Graco airless that they sell at Home Depot. I think it was around $300. I had a wagner airless and it was a steaming pile of garbage.
 

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I got a couple of quotes to do my kitchen cabinets recently. After I recovered, I sprang for the Graco X7 and also the contractor gun with with the fine finish low pressure tips. I've since painted the kitchen cabinets, bathroom cabinets and trim, and I'm planning to do the garage door on my shop this summer with the standard gun and tips. Those fine finish low pressure tips are the bees knees on cabinets and trim. Especially when you combine them with Sherwin Williams Emerald paint. It isn't cheap, but it is slick as rooster poop.

I haven't painted any walls yet. Interested if others use there's for that. Also, anyone use the pressure roller?
 

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Airless = pumps paint through the gun. Unless you are painting a whole house you probably don't want to own one - at least not the kind you'd want to paint a house with. You can rent these from most rental stores, one that will sit over a 5 gallon paint bucket and **** the paint through.


The other sprayer you mention is the HVLP - High Volume Low Pressure. It blows air to atomize and spray the paint. These will be better for painting something like your pallet racking, house trim, doors and cabinets or similar projects. I suggest you might want to own one of these.

 

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People use more paint when spraying because they don't know how to paint. If they are not good at spraying, they waste paint and if they **** at brushing and rolling, they use too little and have to push as hard as possible on the roller. The roller should almost be dripping with paint. When I roll fast, it does drip a little and I use a 5 gallon bucket to dip in and only the best frames, covers, and handles. Using too little paint on the roller causes it to splatter. Usually, I will cut in the edges with a 3" or 3.5" thick sash brush and then roll. Completely dip the roller and roll the wall top to bottom or 8' at a time if doing tall walls. When the paint doesn't slide on the wall well anymore, dip again and continue rolling out a section 3-5 feet wide. Just get the paint on the wall and don't worry about spreading it perfectly. After the wall is wet, I reroll that section from the direction I started to the direction I am working to. On this pass, I only dip if needed and I work out the paint evenly in long strokes. The roller cover should still be wet and relatively quiet with little or no splatter. Move to the next section and continue while keeping a wet edge.

The small graco airless sprayers are ok. Use one with a flexible hose and work from a 5 gallon bucket or 2 gallon for small jobs. Fine finish tips are good for spraying oil on garage doors, man doors, or trim (when we used to use oil for kitchens, baths, and interior trim). In 2000 or so, I bought the graco 190es which was the smallest contractor grade airless. I use 100 feet of hose and a whip on the end with the swivel sg2 or sg3 gun. My uncle used the contractor gun when I worked for him, but it is harder on the hand to use two fingers vs. four, especially when spraying hours on end or days on end. I like Behr paint from home depot (using paint stores was a PITA) and will thin 5 gallons of paint with 2.5-3 quarts of water. For brushing and rolling, I run it straight. A 413 tip works nicely for average eves of a house where you have many angles to get without laying the paint on so thick that it runs. The standard 515 tip is ok for walls, but if your airless puts out enough paint, you can bigger. The 515 is 10" of fan at 12" from the surface and 15 thousands hole. Something like a 619 would be a 12" pattern and more paint.

Take the airless gun apart....remove the tip, holder, the handle with the filter in it, and the filter in the airless. Clean them very well with wire brushes and scotch bright pads and run water through the airless until it is clear. My uncle taught me to clean the handle attached to the hose, the gun, and front end parts so they were spotless. My old guns look near new. If you don't care about the outside of the gun and the feel of the tools in your hand, at least clean the insides that matter. So many people do a half assed job cleaning and don't take the gun apart. Once in a while, I totally dissassemble my guns and clean the insides becuase the needle, seats, and springs get build up on them and they can get rusty. It isn't very often, but it isn't hard to do either. My pump gets build up as well and I should have torn it down and cleaned it but instead just rebuilt it a couple times. It has packings so it isn't a major ordeal. The cheaper pumps are made as a throw away but the newer ones are a cartridge style pump assembly that you can pull out and slip a new one in, keeping the motor and everything else. Same goes with brushes.....the ferules are completely clean and I force water inside the center of the bristles, comb and wire brush them and clean the heavy paint of the wood handles, and hand them to dry. They go back in the sleeve the next day or after a few days. I almost always use lambs wool roller covers and they get washed and spun with a roller spinner then put on end or on a hook to dry. My tools go into a bucket of water as soon as I'm done or if I'm taking a long break so they are easier to keep clean.

HVLP is better for oil paint if you are doing smaller areas. Thinner is expensive and it is a pain to clean an airless with thinner, although I used to spray oil, shellac primer (alcohol clean up), and sometimes lacquer through an airless.

I do have a pressure roller but have not used it that many times. It is very heavy and it is awkward. I did use it for a large interior ceiling that was 10 or 12 feet high. It kept me from dipping all the time and allowed me to get it done faster so I could keep a wet edge. With the right techniques and tools, I can do a better job easier and faster without it. When I could spray, I would spray and back roll, often times by myself but it works great with two people. Spraying gets the paint on quickly without requiring a lot of skill or care and the person doesn't have to dip very often. On new drywall or other surfaces, I sprayed the first coat of primer without rolling since it gets sucked up too quickly. The second coat of primer/pva sealer or the paint would get backrolled. Backrolling creates a thicker film and works the paint in while leaving a little roller texture. It is more forgiving than just spraying.

Wooster green roller handles and wooster sherlock handles are the best and the hex version with the latch is better than the threaded version since they don't twist. A good roller pole gives you leverage and reach so you can work the paint in and roll an 8' tall wall in one swipe. Ignore the "W" pattern the paint can tells you to use......it is **** advice. You don't mow your lawn in a W pattern, instead you probably do long strips and overlap a little or a lot. When spraying and rolling I will overlap by up to half, depending on the conditions and job. At the end of a stroke, I let go of the trigger of the spray gun, or on a conventional gun, release the fluid portion of the trigger and then pull again for the next pass, otherwise paint builds up where you start and stop.

With enough practice, it is faster, easier, and the job looks better to not mask every edge when you brush and roll. A narrow brush is the worst for cutting in. The brush acts like a straight edge, so the bigger the better. If you pull the brush with the long edge parallel to the corner or trim you want to cut in, you get a long line of bristles that you can work up to that edge. When cutting in along a ceiling, I will cut in a strip 3 to 4 inches tall, but I first make the strip between the 1 inch and 4 inch section and don't get paint right in the corner. Using the long edge perpendicular to the ceiling, or long edge vertical, I can quickly slap paint on a 3 foot long section then turn the brush parallel to the ceiling and guide the bristles into the corner. When the corner is filled in, I will turn the brush perpendicular again and tip off that section to even out the paint and get any runs and to have a consistent brush pattern. It goes very fast once you get the hang of it. I have taught others to paint and got them moving along pretty quickly just by showing them more efficient techniques. If you do it long enough or are luck enough to be ambidextrious, you can brush or spray with your weak hand to cover more area or get better angles. I'm not gifted, so it took me plenty of years to lean to paint left handed but I still can't dip the brush with my left hand, even after 17 years of it being my primary trade and then occasional paint jobs/projects after that.

When spraying, you have to mask and tape very well, or use spray shields very carefully. It gets EVERYWHERE. For baseboards, I would tape the top edge of the base and flare the tape out to catch drips and keep the paint off the base and then pull the tape and paint the baseboards freehand ensuring I rolled the paint onto the wall a little and then go back and cut in (freehand) with the wall color to make the line straight. For vinyl cove base, I taped carefully and tried not to have to touch up the wall since it has an edge that shows paint badly. When painting doors, I will slap the paint on with a 1/4" nap roller and then get the channels of a paneled door with my brush and tip the paint with the brush. The hard part is doing paneled doors fast and in sections to keep a wet edge. Slab doors are best done with a 1/4" nap mini roller that is 6-9" wide. I always paint facia boards with a brush, but use a mini roller and a roller pole to paint the bottom edge after doing the face. On a small house, I can walk around and do the bottom edge all at one time.


I would never bother with one of those cup gun airless sprayers and I hate fixed pickups on an airless. Even my big one has a short pipe with a flexible hose that can go inside a 5 gallon bucket. Use a smaller bucket inside a 5 gallon bucket for a smaller project. I did use one of the mid level graco airless machines from home depot when I painted a bunch of pit toilet bathrooms that we built. Since I had my small machine torn down for a rebuild, we bought one on the companies dime (we had a 2 million dollar remodel job on a campground all of 2020 and our company usually supplies the tools for our environmental and infrastructure work) and I used my long hose, gun, and extensions. It worked fine for spraying clear preservative on the natural wood and primer and paint on the block walls and concrete siding. It was a bit temperamental sometimes and it HAD to be pressure flushed with a garden hose. My higher end little airless (pumps on up and down stroke and moves more volume and pressure than the cheaper ones) will clean out just fine with 5 gallon buckets of water. I don't bother with the pump preserver but it isn't a bad idea. I have not used an hvlp very much as my guns are conventional style, but I recently sprayed some rustoleum with a cheap gun my brother had and I was surprised at how clean I stayed even with blue paint. There was certainly overspray, but the conventional is worse. The cheap (maybe harbor freight) gun did the job, although it was torture using a nail gun compressor to do it......my brother isn't a painter and I would have brought my own compressor and even gun if I knew what he was dealing with. I have always used binks 18 or 19 cup guns and 2001 and model 85 2 quart pressure pots. A pressure pot is the way to go for larger volumes of solvent paint, or maybe water based if you have the right setup and paint (I rarely used water based in a conventional since it had to be thinned too much for the tips I have).

That is probably already 4 times as much as most people want to read. Hopefully that helps some people out.
 

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For such projects, and no long-term need…
Just rent an airless sprayer from HD for a day or two for each project- or a couple of projects at one time.
I think you may want to consider valuing the time of having to go to HD to rent and especially your time spent returning the rental.
One can purchase a Harbor Freight roto hammer for the cost of renting one for a day?!?
 

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Look on EBAY, Graco sells their factory refurbished units at a great price point.

This is my plan when I get to painting my whole house.

X5 for $192 shipped to you
 

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Some have already mentioned cleaning. I bought a Wagner unit many years ago to paint a fence. It worked well. Clean up wasn't fun. The style I bought was one where you pour the paint into a tub. I didn't enjoy cleaning the whole tub along with everything else. I told myself if I were buying one again I'd buy the style that simply sits over a paint can with a hose that hangs down into the can or bucket of paint.
 

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I have never seen even ONE positive review on a hand held sprayer !
The Graco handheld airless at about $400 is a really good tool. Doesn't hold enough to paint ceilings and wall (unless you are doing one at about 100 sq ft.) but it is great for doors and the outside of cabinets. It's a little clumsy in tight places. I did some wainscot in a bath with hybrid enamel and it came out 1000% better than a roller and brush.

This ain't no Wagner rattler/buzzer. It actually has twin piston pumps.
 

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If you are still looking for an airless sprayer, let me know.

I bought a Wagner unit about 25 years ago. Used it twice. Did not like the amount of effort necessary to clean it.

Six years ago, when I built my shop, I tried it again. Before I got to the clean-up phase, I noticed that I was having a hard time seeing. In the process of pumping paint through the nozzle, it was also making a fine mist. Evidently the attic room over my shop (with a window at each end) did not have enough ventilation to keep the air clear. THEN I was reminded about the amount of clean-up effort.

Anyone want an older Wagner airless sprayer? Send me a PM, it can be yours for the amount of shipping.

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I guess I'm a little late to the discussion. Sounds like spraying will get the paint where you want it better than any other method. We have a 1932 1,440 sq ft. story and a half home with Cedar shingle siding, and its still in quite good condition. But it is a pain to paint. The last time we painted it, we bought a Graco 395 airless sprayer. I spent quite a bit of time masking one side (long side) of the house. We sprayed one side in 20 minutes, and that paint has held better than when we have brushed it. We have painted a few interior rooms, but have always elected to roll them, because of the way that spray gets on everything. All I can say is if you are going to spray, get or rent a good sprayer, the cheap modestly priced ones really aren't worth wasting your money on. I understand Graco also makes a smaller handheld 110 volt and also cordless sprayer, which might be a good option if you aren't going to use it very much.
 
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We got a Wagner Flexio 2500. So far so good. It's a bit to clean up but you always have some of that and it all comes apart so not too bad. We aren't planning to do any building painting with it and seems a good size for pallet racking and smaller stuff. It came with a couple thin plastic bags for the paint container but after using one we think they are more trouble than not using them. Were using water based paint and seemed to work better with about 20% water added to thin it.
 
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