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sberry

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(Hobart is a Miller's subsidiary
Hobart is an ITW subsidiary as is Miller, they share a lot of things due to the parent company being in about every business that is needed to supply them.
Barring someone that might need a bigger machine I have never heard of someone buying a 187 and not being tickled happy with it. You are right, one could save a lot of mental anguish and simply get one and get it over with. Probably worth the extra credit card interest if needed. Look at ebay, Craig's list, don't see many of them for sale, lots of 120V units though and some red ones in this class but the 187 owners tend to keep them.
 
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Gas kit for Mig is extra & a 7ft lead is next to useless, 10ft or more is the norm. It also comes with a "hand held face shield" WTF? who still uses those?

For what its worth, i'll walk you through why i bought the HFT 93793 Mig Welder today

Like the OP, i am new to welding (read, never welded, in my case)

my first wish was to get a miller - we all want the very best - not wanting to spend the money, i looked for used one's on CL's - not much other than large ex-industrial stuff

so last night, i had in my cart at amazon a Hobart 210 Handler - seemed like a great machine - not as expensive as a Miller at about 850 - support, parts, etc, etc - and i am going to use it alot

or am i? - in my case, i know that welding won't become more than occassional exercise, albeit an important one that i would like to be able to do justice to

but, 850...that's alot for most of us

so then i thought about this HFT welder - ok, even on paper (which is probably where HFT stuff looks best), it has no bearing on the 210 - the HFT is 100amp at 30% duty cycle - so better than the 140, not quite as good at the 187 - but the 140 is 115v and HFT is 220, so the 187 seems like a better comparison

on paper it is a better machine - but it costs almost double (list prices) - i ended up getting the HFT 93793 for 250 - so, for me it came down to $ - figured it was good to get in at 250 instead of 650 or 850 - and the machine seems capable enough - anyway ... for what its worth
 

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i have a Miller 130 a Miller 251 and a loaded 250 Syncrowave tiggrunner. The Miller 130 works well when used in its range and plugged into a proper 120 v outlet. When using it out in the field I have found a wide range of voltage drops while welding. I think this is why many hate the 120V units. Read and follow the directions for best results. don't bother with a handheld face shield. You need both hands to steady the Mig gun while welding. Get an auto-dark helmet. You can dial the darkness up and down to suit the welding being done. You need to be able to see the weld puddle. the key to ALL welding is the puddle and heat management.

Start looking into angle grinders and a metal cutting band saw. I do a fair amount of roll cage work and remote fabrication and found the Milwaukee deep cut band saw to be very useful.
 
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guys,
i think i am leaning towards the welder i originally listed. i received an email from the century site & it indicated that the century welders are "made" by L.E.i don't doubt that the miller welders are "the bomb", but i just flat out can not afford the kind that i would like to get, a good friend has 3 of them & he too swears by them. i don't mind the "knock-offs" as long as i know that the parts & pieces are easily attainable from name brand suppliers. as i indicated in the OP i am wanting to learn so the majority of my welding will be based on what i would like to learn the most about which is sheet metal & "general hobby" (automotive) related things. my friend would be building anything that i would need above that. i appreciate the replies (keep them coming) and i will let you guys know what i get & hopefully will remember to take pics of some of my "art". i also hope to take a class to learn some safety basics.....LOL!

THANKS AGAIN!!
 

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i think i am leaning towards the welder i originally listed. i received an email from the century site & it indicated that the century welders are "made" by L.E.i don't doubt that the miller welders are "the bomb", but i just flat out can not afford the kind that i would like to get, a good friend has 3 of them & he too swears by them. i don't mind the "knock-offs" as long as i know that the parts & pieces are easily attainable from name brand suppliers. as i indicated in the OP i am wanting to learn so the majority of my welding will be based on what i would like to learn the most about which is sheet metal & "general hobby" (automotive) related things. my friend would be building anything that i would need above that. i appreciate the replies (keep them coming) and i will let you guys know what i get & hopefully will remember to take pics of some of my "art". i also hope to take a class to learn some safety basics.....LOL!

THANKS AGAIN!!

I ordered that welding kit that you posted from weldingsupplyusa.com on Dec 16th for $443.00. The Century Wire Feed 180 showed up on my doorstep on the 24th. On a side note, Northern Tool sells that same kit for $699.00.

Box arrived in good shape (106 lbs) via UPS, with no dents on the outside. When I opened in the inner box that had the welder inside, I noticed the front control panel cover was cracked. I'm sure this wouldn't affect performance, since it was just the corner, but I can't spend that much money and not get it right. Jeff from welding supply has been a straight up guy and is taking care of the problem. He has them drop shipped from Lincoln, so the issue isn't really his doing. I should have my new cover or unit by Friday.

As far as the welding kit goes. The cart the kit comes with is the Lincoln Electric K2275-1, which retails for $100. The MIG gun is the Lincoln Magnum 100L, which also sells for $100. The regulator is also a Lincoln model which also sells for around $80-$100. Welder, from all the diagrams I found on the Lincoln website, is the older SP175 model. Only difference looks to be the wire feeder block. All parts diagrams for the Century are available for download from Lincoln. All parts for the Century are mostly interchangeable with the SP175 parts, and all of the consumables are Lincoln parts.

I plan on taking more photos and maybe laying down my first bead once the the damage to the welder gets sorted out. Plus I have a buddy giving me a free filled 80cf bottle of C-25. All I have to pay for is the re-cert of the bottle, which should be cheap.

Stay tuned!!

Edit: Just came back from Lowes where they still had one of the older Lincoln Pro Mig 180's on display. The wire feed mechanism is exactly the same as the Century Wire Feed 180. In fact, everything about the machine is exactly the same... I think the Century is a good deal for basically a Lincoln welder with a different name plate, that is warrantied by Lincoln. Both also carry the same 3 year warranty.
 

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why pay to recert, if you own the bottle, there are not going fill it while you wait, they will swap for a full bottle. who cares what the bottle look like, every six month swap for another
 

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why pay to recert, if you own the bottle, there are not going fill it while you wait, they will swap for a full bottle. who cares what the bottle look like, every six month swap for another

I think I'm only paying $15- $20 for the bottle testing, so I will only have that amount of money in for a 80cf bottle that is filled, that I own. I would say that is still a good deal.

Background: the friend works for a local welding supply house where I used to buy about $50K a year of welding supplies, not including new welding machines when the manufacturing shop needed a new one. That was back in different life when I actually used my Mech. Engineering degree at a small industrial equipment manufacturer. Now I chase bad guys all day long and take out the trash for the city where I work.:thumbup:
 

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why pay to recert, if you own the bottle, there are not going fill it while you wait, they will swap for a full bottle. who cares what the bottle look like, every six month swap for another

If the cert date is passed, they charge you to re-hydrotest it, even if you exchange the bottle.
 

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Have you considered getting an AC/DC stick welder? They are very versatile and you can find a new Lincoln or Hobart under that price point. (On Craigs List you can get for about $250 regularly.) Also the consumables for stick welding are much cheaper and no gas is needed. Also get an auto darkening helmet it makes learning MUCH easier. YMMV.
 
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I ordered that welding kit that you posted from weldingsupplyusa.com on Dec 16th for $443.00. The Century Wire Feed 180 showed up on my doorstep on the 24th. On a side note, Northern Tool sells that same kit for $699.00.
I would say thats a pretty good deal. There is a company behind it too. I am a Miller fan too but once the hood is down no one could tell the difference. This is a class of machine "right" for this crowd, very economical, way better power than any of the 140 units. Great for a guy that wants to build stuff more than he wants to become a career welder. Yes, there are other options like stick machines, etc and more options on units like a 211 but that is bare bones with the fundamentals that make it work well.
 

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The need to move them around is usually over rated in most cases, it generally finds a "home" in a shop where its worth the effort to run a circuit to it and be done.
 
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killer95stang,
thank you!! that is the exact thing that i wanted to see. i am pretty sure that i am going to go with that kit. in fact i am going to look at it today. i may buy from my link or if it is not too much difference i will buy from the place i go to today - kinda ol'school & would prefer to have a face to the product_LOL!! anyways i really feel that this is the welder for me. if i buy from the link then i will make sure that i let "jeff" know that you "recommended" me to him.....

thanks guys!!
 

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Don't be afraid to buy used as long as the unit can be demoed. I bought a Millermatic 185 with a full owner tank, 2 spools of wire and an auto dark helmet for $450 a few months ago. The machine looked like new inside and out due to lack of use. I did a regular service before I hooked it up at home and it works great. Just hold onto your cash and watch craigslist everyday. A deal will pop up that will be really good. Youve waited this long to save up. Just wait a bit longer to get the right deal!
 
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nullifier,
thanks for the info. i agree & i have been looking on craigslist locally. i am not in a big hurry although i would like to take advantage of the "specials" that are available now & not wait until a little later in the new year & not get it on "sale". thanks!!
 

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Hobart is an ITW subsidiary as is Miller, they share a lot of things due to the parent company being in about every business that is needed to supply them.
Barring someone that might need a bigger machine I have never heard of someone buying a 187 and not being tickled happy with it. You are right, one could save a lot of mental anguish and simply get one and get it over with. Probably worth the extra credit card interest if needed. Look at ebay, Craig's list, don't see many of them for sale, lots of 120V units though and some red ones in this class but the 187 owners tend to keep them.

ITW stands for "Indonesia Thug Works"
 

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i hope you should have to buy welding jackets for yourself. you must keep all the equipments related to the welding jackets so that you may understand their working while working at construction place.
 

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Last year, I bought a Hobart Handler 120 flux core (gas capable) with wire, gloves, sleeves, nice cart (with a great white powder coat finish), extra gun, auto helmet, extra ground clamp, a couple magnetic corners for $200 on kijiji. (kijiji is more popular than CL locally)....

The guy was a welder, and had found it at a garage sale and he thought he would use it at home.... I think I got so many accessories with it, is cause they were 'compliments' of his work.....

It also had a regulator, but it's not for CO2 /Argon, and converting it is not working, so I just have been dabbling with the fluxcore wire it came with.

I hope to one day get a Co2/argon regulator from Princess Auto, and maybe try gas welding.
 
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