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dirtrunner0519

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Looking to build a loft in my garage and i am in need of a structural engineer, i can send existing load/footings calc to whom ever is recommended.

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This is what i am looking to do. I am not a structural Engineer but i am looking for one to help me solve this issue. I need sizing for columns and connection details for the Glue-Lams and any foundation mods that may need to be made.

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I would describe what you are doing is building a mezzanine inside an existing building with a tall ceiling. 23 feet clear inside would make that easy. If that is the peak of the roof, measured on the outside, you may not have enough headroom. If you put in enough columns you will not need to do any foundation work.

What are you going to put up there? Light stuff, heavy stuff? I would probably use 40 pounds per square foot, live load, plus the weight of the structure. Are you going to enclose the mezzanine with a wall, or just put railings around it?

If you want longer spans and fewer columns, you will have more foundation work and larger beams. Good to have diagonal braces in earthquake country. I only saw three, I would suggest four. I might go for steel columns and beams, especially for larger spans. A standard wood floor truss might meet your needs very well, and be very cost effective.

You should sketch up a couple of versions with different numbers of columns. Load bearing walls should not require any foundation work, I would think, but I have not run the numbers. How thick is the floor?

It looks like it is 27 foot square. 27 foot times 27 foot times 50 pounds per square foot would be 36450 pounds of weight. Are you going to have a column in the center? If you just have columns on the perimeter, the center columns would be carrying about 9000 pounds each, so a foundation would be needed. You don't say what kind of soil, but that dictates the size of the foundation.

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Richard-

I want to have clear span no columns landing in the middle of the garage. The only items i will be putting up there will be people and some a game room. Currently the soil is rated for 1500psf, however i know it is stronger then this as i need a jack hammer to dig an inch as it is this hard.

I would put up railings around it but i want to make sure it is still sealed off from below for vapors. I do welding and i do not want my wife and son in the loft to start smelling this.

Current foundation is a footing all the way around at 16"wx24"depth and larger footing where the existing structure lands and then a 6" slab.
 

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OK, let's take my calculations above at face value. 40 pounds per square foot should work fine, if you don't put a hot tub up there. The center columns will have 9000 pounds load each, while the corner columns will have half that load, about 4500 pounds. 9000 pounds divided by 1500 lbs/ft2 is 6 square feet, so that would be 2.5 feet by 2.5 feet. 4500 pounds divided by 1500 lbs/ft2 is 3 square feet, so I would go to 2 feet by 2 feet.

If it was me, I would saw the holes in the concrete, just so the holes would look clean, and then put in expansion joints between the foundation and the slab. That is a detail of construction.

The 24 inch thick foundation blocks may be overkill, especially for the 2 foot by 2 foot block. I would look at 18 inches thick, at least for the smaller block.

I assume that you don't need to worry about frost line.

As far as the structure, I might go for steel connecting the columns. If you want to go all wood, the page below should help you size the columns. It looks like a 4 by 6 would meet your needs for the columns.

https://courses.cit.cornell.edu/arch264/calculators/example7.1/index.html

This page gives a similar result.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wood-columns-safe-loads-d_1834.html

If you look at the beam that would connect the two center columns, it would be carrying a total of 18,000 pounds. 18000 lbs / 27 feet would be 666 pounds per lineal foot. Looking at the table below, the center beam should be 6 inches by 24 inches. You could go to 6 by 22, if you were willing to accept 1/240 deflection, which would be less stiff, but not crazy loose. Where the span is only 13 feet, even a 4 by 12 should be OK. For the beam at the end, probably straddling the garage door, you could go 4 by 20, as the beam at the end carries only half the weight of the center beam.

http://www.southernpine.com/app/uploads/AL_21-26L.pdf

The joist span is less than 14 feet, so 2 by 10 joists on 16 inch centers, or 2 by 12 on 24 inch centers. Any standard table should give the correct sizing.

I would be surprised if you could seal off the upper floor so well that they would not smell welding below, but perhaps you could design the ventilation system to put positive pressure on the upper floor, it would not take much pressure.

As far as diagonal bracing, I would go for three sides, since the fourth side probably needs to be open. But for that to work, the floor needs to act as a structural element. Stagger the joints on the plywood for the floor, and run the long edge of the plywood at 90 degrees to the floor joists.

I do not have a clear vision of how you might connect all the pieces, especially if all the beams are a different dimension.

I will say that I did this pretty quickly, so I would not swear that it is accurate. You should check my work, or better yet, get an experienced builder to look at it. Study the tables that I referenced, and see if what I did makes sense to you.

Richard
 
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Thank you Richard for the calcs and concepts. I will be working with an architect, but your calcs and discussion helps me alot.
 

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I did not find similar load tables for H beams, sometimes called Wide-Flange beams.

What I did see looked like a 12 inch H beam, 26 pounds per lineal feet, about 6 inch wide flanges, would work for the center beam. You could use lighter 12 inch beams for the other beams.

This page shows how to connect a wood joist to a steel beam, interesting.

http://www.openjoisttriforce.com/wood-to-steel-connections-making-sure-its-done-right/

Good luck,
Richard
 
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