doesn't matter, its more then 1lb of lpg in a building
LP tank inside garage?
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Answer: NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) regulations make it unlawful to take any tank larger than a 1-lb tank inside a residence. The regulations were written to protect you from potential problems such as a leaking propane tank, fire, and possible explosions.
jar944
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laser3kw
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Let's not confuse bulk propane stationary tanks and the smaller portable propane tanks (100 lb and under). And the difference of inside a residence (living area) and other. After all, you drive past or work in places with many propane tanks inside used for fork trucks and other. I am sure they aren't all not following some type of codes. As a matter of fact, look up the "no smoking" distance for propane cylinder storage.
Propane storage instructions link
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Propane storage instructions link
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My mistake, you're storing while using in a working areaYou need to re-read that nfpa section.
Storage and usage are two different things.
jar944
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My mistake, you're storing while using in a working area
Words have specific meaning.
Storage and usage are mutual exclusive. You can't legally store, or transport explosives without significant requirements being met. However Any donkey can legally manufacture and use explosives provided they don't transport or store them.
pcmeiners
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All the gloom and doom over propane tanks mainly commenced due to a plumbing/hardware store in Brooklyn blowing up in the early 80s, the explosion killed 4 people.
The inside story is the store was a main supplier of BBQ tanks; at the time a high percentage of BBQ tanks had leakage. There was little concern the store always had a high percent of leaking propane in the building. I know as I had to occasionally purchase items in the store. The store gave me the creeps as I knew the propane concentration was too high, as did the Fire department. I was there one time when the department was inspecting the premise. The fire department had to be paid off, there is no way an inspector could allow the amount of leakage to exist otherwise, no possibility. Anyway after the building explosion, supposedly triggered by a mishandled delivery of propane tanks on the outside of the building, the NYC Fire Department down played the fact the buildings interior always had a very high level of leaking propane, due to it's role in the death of 4 people.
Now since then, the valves were redesign for BBQ propane tanks to prevent leakage, and the gloom and doom as to propane tanks developed.
"However Any donkey can legally manufacture and use explosives provided they don't transport or store them."
You can create and store ANY explosive, with limits of amount and intent. as long as you do not transport it under Fed law, state laws vary. Example= Tannerite
The inside story is the store was a main supplier of BBQ tanks; at the time a high percentage of BBQ tanks had leakage. There was little concern the store always had a high percent of leaking propane in the building. I know as I had to occasionally purchase items in the store. The store gave me the creeps as I knew the propane concentration was too high, as did the Fire department. I was there one time when the department was inspecting the premise. The fire department had to be paid off, there is no way an inspector could allow the amount of leakage to exist otherwise, no possibility. Anyway after the building explosion, supposedly triggered by a mishandled delivery of propane tanks on the outside of the building, the NYC Fire Department down played the fact the buildings interior always had a very high level of leaking propane, due to it's role in the death of 4 people.
Now since then, the valves were redesign for BBQ propane tanks to prevent leakage, and the gloom and doom as to propane tanks developed.
"However Any donkey can legally manufacture and use explosives provided they don't transport or store them."
You can create and store ANY explosive, with limits of amount and intent. as long as you do not transport it under Fed law, state laws vary. Example= Tannerite
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jar944
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You can't legally store it (mixed) without the appropriate approved magazine with all of its requirements.
"All explosive materials, including mixed binary explosives, must be stored in locked explosives storage magazines as prescribed in the regulations found in 27 CFR, Part 555, Subpart K: Storage, unless they are in the process of being used, manufactured, transported, or physically handled in the operating process."
pcmeiners
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I only stated you can store them, not that you do not need to follow FED and state laws. As to a magazine construction, does not look to demanding.
As to the need to make and store explosives, a normal resident would only need an explosive in very few instance, as in tree stump removal, well shooting, rock removal, tannerite, technically all could be done without storage or the or even the use of explosives.
As to the need to make and store explosives, a normal resident would only need an explosive in very few instance, as in tree stump removal, well shooting, rock removal, tannerite, technically all could be done without storage or the or even the use of explosives.
or for fishing
jar944
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This is from the manual for dyno glo, not from home depot website
That confirms my point.
Sorry i must have missed your point then
jar944
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You can use the heater (with attached tank) inside.
Usage and storage are mutually exclusive.
So, using in a well ventilated garage, sure. there is a lot of grey areas to that. Not in a house or place of residents. you can use for commercial or new builds
Like i said, be safe.
There are so many times i went out to determine why a propane tank exploded. Most times was leaks from the tank at valve and ignited. other times when the tank was overfilled and relief valve went off.
You should watch how the 20lb tanks are made, its crazy that's all that holds back the pressure
jar944
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As I said originally You can't legally store, or transport explosives without significant requirements being met.
The magazine construction itself is not demanding, the legal hurdles and distances (land requirements) and justifications are.
You can't store mixed tannerite, unless you have an (atf regulated and approved and inspected) magazine. Mixed being the key word there. If you do, you run afoul of the ATF, and they don't generally like that.
pcmeiners
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"or for fishing"
Use to make firework, some of them 1"x 6" flash powder fire crackers, as kid. Went down to a pond to light a couple hundred of them on the 4th one year with a bunch of friend. The next day, there were an awful lot of dead fish on the surface, an awful lot.
Use to make firework, some of them 1"x 6" flash powder fire crackers, as kid. Went down to a pond to light a couple hundred of them on the 4th one year with a bunch of friend. The next day, there were an awful lot of dead fish on the surface, an awful lot.
I'm not far from Bloomsburg, in perry county. I have done my fair share as a kid doing just this
pcmeiners
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Just moved to Bloomsburg a few months back. Today I am dealing with the NYC building department
while in the process of selling my Staten Island home. Can't wait to leave NYC PERMANENTLY, not to return but for a few days each year.
while in the process of selling my Staten Island home. Can't wait to leave NYC PERMANENTLY, not to return but for a few days each year.engineer2
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A co-worker filled a party balloon with acetylene, set it on a piece of newspaper and lit the corner of the paper.
The explosion was so loud the fire department showed up to find out what blew up.
We do this all the time, i fill milk jugs and thrown in the fire. but i live in the middle of nowhere
Sorry guys, this had gone way off topic and done.
For future reference, NFPA makes regulations and guidelines, they are not laws.
Its like IBC, unless a local jurisdiction adopts them, they are merely guidelines. Most jurisdictions are not going to adopt NFPA standards because then it opens them up to a whole new ball game, which includes staffing levels and replacing equipment. Something most municipalities shy away from.
The OP has been given some good advice, its up to him to make a decision now.
For future reference, NFPA makes regulations and guidelines, they are not laws.
Its like IBC, unless a local jurisdiction adopts them, they are merely guidelines. Most jurisdictions are not going to adopt NFPA standards because then it opens them up to a whole new ball game, which includes staffing levels and replacing equipment. Something most municipalities shy away from.
The OP has been given some good advice, its up to him to make a decision now.
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