LTT Ratcheting Screwdriver

[KnurledNut]

Obviously, you're biased. Seriously biased. As is this thread since it's purpose, apparently, to advertise for LTT.

Whole thing seems shady. I wouldn't order one anyway.

Bro, chill out.
I know you are new here, but you do realize this is the "General Tool Discussion" subforum?
Thats what we do here...talk about tools.
We drool over others new tool arrivals, we spend money we dont have, we discuss weekly what the best screwdriver is.

There's no conspiracy.
I enjoy my Snap-on as much as you. Its a great tool.
When I created this thread, I had just heard of LTT myself and was excited about sharing a new tool.
Nothing more. No affiliation. I dont follow his social media. He doesnt know me from Adam. I dont build computers or game.
No commission. No pat on the back. No free screwdriver. (But hey Linus, if you are reading this, come on dude, hook me up!)

If you prefer drama, go hang out in Free Parking.

 

[ArcReactorKC]

To make a real non-joke contribution to this thread.

I have a snapon ratcheting screwdriver. I have used it many times building/maintaining desktops and inhouse servers. I have ordered the LTT screwdriver for a handful of reasons.
1. I like the bit storage better.
2. It supports a youtube channel I watch often.
3. They put serious effort into making this a better tool.
4. The super light back drag is going to be nice on some fine thread fasteners.
5. The extremely strong magnet is also going to come in handy.

I have a plethora of other ratcheting screwdrivers but have been carrying the snap on for the better part of 5 years. This is the first time I've even thought of changing and I feel pretty confident I'll be happy with it.

Worst case scenario it's not noticeably better and I'm out a fair amount of $$. Best case scenario it is noticeably better and my day to day life improves.

 

[AA/FC]

I'm a closet computer nerd... I've been watching Linus for many years.... If you're not familiar with him, or if you're offended by the price or design of his merch, that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. He has made MILLIONS of dollars making videos on YouTube and selling his merch. I'd say he absolutely knows what he's doing. He didn't become the number one TechTuber in the world and multi millionaire by accident. He makes very good business decisions. If you watch enough of his videos, you can see that he is actually VERY thrifty. He hates spending money on ANYTHING that won't make him money. He's just shy of 15 million subscribers and a good majority of those subscribers have, or will buy something from his merch store. He doesn't need a handfull of people from GJ to aprove of his merch, or to buy any his stuff. lol.

It appears these scredrivers are now on backorder.... Hopefully I can get an all black LTT screwdriver when the next batch comes in.

 

[dr_clyde]

I also find the sentiment quite amusing that just because YOU wouldn't use a ratcheting screwdriver for computer work, that automatically disqualifies ANYONE from thinking it's their preferred driver of choice. Even so much so that people here have been accusing Linus of lacking integrity and morals for selling one, as they think it is somehow wrong to sell a tool that may or may not be ideal for assembling computers if they have a computer based youtube channel.

I've been causally watching LTT videos for years, and he's always used an orange SO ratcheting screwdriver for his builds. It's what HE likes to use, and so apparently does his staff, therefore that's naturally what they wanted to bring to market.

If you don't want to use a ratcheting screwdriver for a computer build, don't.

I personally am very happy with the half dozen or so SO ratcheting drivers I have currently in my possession, so I doubt I'll buy an LTT driver. I am however very impressed with the level of dedication Linus and his team brought to this screwdriver for what is essentially a piece of branded merch. As he said in their video, they could have just put their logo on a Megapro driver and been done. But they went above and beyond to make a really nice driver and they should be proud of it.

If you want a nice driver, you can probably do a lot worse than the LTT. Or, if you like Linus and his content, the driver is a nice way to show your support and get a cool screwdriver.

Either way, threads like this just go to show how little people here actually know about youtube personalities, how the youtube economy works, and how these guys make a living. Jimmy Diresta sells all kinds of tools he makes on his website to support his youtube channel. They aren't cheap either. He also has sold apparel, prints and artwork and all sorts of various things. He also has a patreon. He's sponsored by major tool brands like DeWalt and Lincoln, as well as big companies like Lowes. One of his "tools" he sells is a MASSIVE razor blade. It's impractical, fairly silly and borderline useless. You don't buy it because you want a knife or a razor, you buy it because it says "DIRESTA" on it and you want to support Jimmy. But, Jimmy is a talented maker and builder and appears at the surface to be a blue collar tool guy, so somehow he gets a pass from all the criticism? Please. These guys make their living off views of FREE TO WATCH content. They need to sell things and have sponsors, otherwise they won't make it. And then we either have to pay for youtube or it ceases to exist. I'd rather buy the occasional tee shirt, sticker, or screwdriver to keep watching content.

It also shows how absolutely CHEAP some guys are here. We're talking less than $100 for a VERY nice tool that will probably have a lifespan measured in decades. How many guys here spend $100/week or $100/month on hobbies with NO return on that investment? Golf, racing, shooting, all these things cost WAY more money and no one here says boo about it. If your hobby is tools, which I assume it at least partially is, as you're reading this here, then the cost shouldn't be even close to as big of a deal as some guys are making it out to be. Hell, I see threads with guys that have DRAWERS full of barely used Snap-on, Mac, Matco, and other high end tools. Easily THOUSANDS of dollars worth of tools that have maybe been used a half dozen times. If you can't afford or can't justify a $75 dollar screwdriver, then maybe you shouldn't be shitting on it for simply existing a that price point.

 

[BlackHorseSaga]

I actually would take a 5% improvement in anything. I don't understand this anti-innovation viewpoint, especially on a tool forum of all places. There doesn't need to be a "problem" with existing designs in order to create new tools.

If this was the attitude everywhere, there'd be no high tooth count ratchets because, "those 24t ones are working fine!".

Whether the LTT is good or not, I like seeing new stuff come out. Most basic hand tool designs have been stagnant IMO.



Classic . Just what this thread needed

A 200,000% improvement is using a battery driver, like a CTS761.

Ratcheting screwdrivers are actually obsolete. A clutch driven driver is far superior, and easier.

 

[BlackHorseSaga]

While I agree that the Snap-on is a great screwdriver, I almost immediately got rid of mine because I couldn't stand the bit storage. I vastly prefer a captive organization system that doesn't allow the bits to rattle around in the handle and makes switching between bits fast and easy. My personal favorite is the 10 bit holder in the PB Swiss Insider Pro but the 12 bit Megapro style carousel is also fairly good.

That's fair. I actually have the SAE and Metric Master Bit Sets (which I also didn't have to pay for) so I don't leave bits in the handles.

 

[F-22]

I actually would take a 5% improvement in anything.

Hmm I get what you mean but when I read his reply about the 5% "improvement", I thought he meant that a slightly stronger magnet might not even be an improvement at all, at some point you don't really want it to be too strong - especially for small fasteners... But what do I know, seems the PB Swiss one is quite a lot stronger than the rest. I wonder how they did that, since Linus said he fit the biggest magnet he could... Maybe they use more fancy magnets?

 

[teagueo]

A 200,000% improvement is using a battery driver, like a CTS761.

Ratcheting screwdrivers are actually obsolete. A clutch driven driver is far superior, and easier.

So you're using your time to comment on a tool you think is obselete...I'm boggled.

Why don't we get rid of regular old screwdrivers too now that there's ratcheting ones

 

[DadsTools]

Either way, threads like this just go to show how little people here actually know about youtube personalities, how the youtube economy works, and how these guys make a living.

Yep. As I mentioned in my post #120, I was completely clueless to what this Linus and his LTT and screwdriver was all about. Once I looked into it online, I understood a lot better. I also commented in that post that I now understood most of the other posts in this thread were meaningless or irrelevant. The LTT driver has nothing to do with normal industry tool products, manufacturing or their distribution channels. Nothing at all. You'll never find these at Home Depot, Mcmaster Carr or a tool truck. Linus developed this entirely for his online following. It was never intended to compete alongside the other tools in the screwdriver market--it's strictly for LTT consumption.

Once I understood all this, the many comments on this thread seemed to me to be pretty much pointless. The original OP's question remains unanswered--no one here seems to have one and so were unable to answer. Why would anyone here have it anyway, since it was brought forth into its own isolated world? Even the several posts, including my own, pointing out how limited the use is for a ratcheting screwdriver in computer work are moot. What's the point in even continuing to critique and compare it to other screwdrivers? Other than perpetuating a characteristic GJ argument, nothing.

OP should hit the keyboard key in his avatar: Close Thread.

 

[JradM]

I know Rolgear was mentioned earlier in this thread, but I thought it deserved another mention since it wasn't included in the Project Farm video.

If your criteria are:

• Arc Swing
• Weight without bits
• Weight with bits
• Back drag force
• Shaft wobble
• Magnetic strength

Then Rolgear is at least going to have something to say about the arc swing and back drag - that's the whole point of their gearless mechanism. There's no gear teeth to move a pawl over.

Sure, the bits probably add to the weight - but only because they are long bits, not 1" insert bits. That's an advantage where you don't have room for the larger diameter of the bit-holding screwdriver shaft.

None of that is meant to disparage the LTT. It looks like a great screwdriver. I'm just feeling defensive since the made-in-Canada option was left out of the test.

 

[AA/FC]

(snip) Why would anyone here have it anyway, since it was brought forth into its own isolated world?

Because the world of Linus and LTT is huge..... relative to the world of Garage Journal, anyway. lol. The chances of someone being a LTT follower AND a member of GJ are pretty good. (Like myself)

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[KnurledNut]

I know Rolgear was mentioned earlier in this thread, but I thought it deserved another mention since it wasn't included in the Project Farm video.

If your criteria are:

• Arc Swing
• Weight without bits
• Weight with bits
• Back drag force
• Shaft wobble
• Magnetic strength

Then Rolgear is at least going to have something to say about the arc swing and back drag - that's the whole point of their gearless mechanism. There's no gear teeth to move a pawl over.

Sure, the bits probably add to the weight - but only because they are long bits, not 1" insert bits. That's an advantage where you don't have room for the larger diameter of the bit-holding screwdriver shaft.

None of that is meant to disparage the LTT. It looks like a great screwdriver. I'm just feeling defensive since the made-in-Canada option was left out of the test.

Agree. I would have liked to have seen Rolgear included as well as the Mac/Proto/Cornwell style. The SATA and Lenox were redundant as they use the same mechanism. I would have eliminated the Williams and soft grip SO and just went with the regular hard handle version. The two position GW he included is a great screwdriver. It didnt get much credit.

 

[DadsTools]

Because the world of Linus and LTT is huge..... relative to the world of Garage Journal, anyway. lol. The chances of someone being a LTT follower AND a member of GJ are pretty good. (Like myself)

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That's arguing hypotheticals, but leap-frogging my point--the fact is that so far, no one in GJ actually owns the screwdriver. Apparently, neither do you. So, while it might seem that you have found a weakness in the herd to sink your teeth into in typical GJ fashion, the truth is that there's no blood in the water. You don't have an LTT driver either? Why not, since if you're a follower of LTT you should surely have one and would have mentioned it by now in proper GJ form? 'Nuff said. lol

 

[David0858]

Disappointed on PF, I feel like he was biased. He did not include the test of failure torque in the results which never happened before on his reviews. Justified it by saying they're strong enough, but I can't help to assume it's just to prevent the LTT screwdriver from diving down his ratings. This mechanism just isn't nearly as strong as some of the others. As he said, nothing wrong with that but omitting it from the results made him loose a lot of respect from my side. Results should be all presented and the buyer should understand what he needs, but what he did is just swaying buyers towards the LTT screwdriver more.

And then in the end when he blacks out another section saying how it's irrelevant to "some people" I also think it's obvious just to bring the LTT on top.

He din't include them in the results because they were meaningless. All broke at a far greater force than anyone could apply by hand.

 

[Grokew]

I find it interesting that the Sanp-on and Williams test so different in every category since they are essentially the same screwdriver. Does not give me confidence in his methodology. But I've seen clear evidence of bias in other videos he has done. That really stands out when he tests oils.

They are not. The Williams is closer to the hard handle fixed shaft snap on. The Snap on used on the video is the one with replaceable shafts.

 

[Grokew]

A 200,000% improvement is using a battery driver, like a CTS761.

Ratcheting screwdrivers are actually obsolete. A clutch driven driver is far superior, and easier.

I disagree. With a manual or ratcheting screwdriver you have control over how much torque you apply. With a battery operated screwdriver you are at the Mercy of the clutch settings or the manufacturer. I once sheared the head of a screw while working on a TV at a customers place, and had to take the TV back to the lab. The electric screwdriver was too strong. And have been on the opposite situation too, not being able to take out a screw because the clutch yields.

 

[rlitman]

They are not. The Williams is closer to the hard handle fixed shaft snap on. The Snap on used on the video is the one with replaceable shafts.

The Snap On Instinct uses the SAME ratcheting mechanism as both the hard handle and the Williams. The only differences between the two types are the rubber ring on the one with the removable shaft, and the steel retention washer in the same place and the lack of the ball detent on the hard handle's shaft.

Look at the teardown here:

taking apart a S-O ratcheting screwdriver

Here is how to take apart a Snap-on ratcheting screwdriver for cleaning, greasing or converting to interchangeable blades/shanks. Edit to add (4/23/18); The following applies to all ratcheting screwdrivers, 1/4 spinner handles and T handles branded for Snap-on, Williams, New Holland, Brownells...

www.garagejournal.com

 

[AA/FC]

That's arguing hypotheticals, but leap-frogging my point--the fact is that so far, no one in GJ actually owns the screwdriver. Apparently, neither do you. So, while it might seem that you have found a weakness in the herd to sink your teeth into in typical GJ fashion, the truth is that there's no blood in the water. You don't have an LTT driver either? Why not, since if you're a follower of LTT you should surely have one and would have mentioned it by now in proper GJ form? 'Nuff said. lol

It's on back order already otherwise I would have one on order right now.

LMG puts out rough 15 videos per week on multiple YouTube channels. ONE of his channels has almost 15 million subscribers and you called it an "isolated world". Well, if that's isolated to you, the Garage Journal is basically no existent then. This place is lucky to have maybe a few hundred active users on a regular basis. lol. Linus doesn't NEED anyone from this place to buy his merch. My initial reply to you was simply meant to inform you that there are indeed some crossover people between LMG and GJ. It was totally inteded to be friendly, then you reply like the typical internet hard ***. Good job!

 

[Grokew]

The Snap On Instinct uses the SAME ratcheting mechanism as both the hard handle and the Williams. The only differences between the two types are the rubber ring on the one with the removable shaft, and the steel retention washer in the same place and the lack of the ball detent on the hard handle's shaft.

Look at the teardown here:

taking apart a S-O ratcheting screwdriver

Here is how to take apart a Snap-on ratcheting screwdriver for cleaning, greasing or converting to interchangeable blades/shanks. Edit to add (4/23/18); The following applies to all ratcheting screwdrivers, 1/4 spinner handles and T handles branded for Snap-on, Williams, New Holland, Brownells...

www.garagejournal.com

Those are quite a few differences that can definitely affect the way the screwdrivers compare to each other.

Edit: thank you for the link.

 

[KnurledNut]

The Snap On Instinct uses the SAME ratcheting mechanism as both the hard handle and the Williams.

Not across the board.
The standard and stubby are the same.
The 5-position adjustable handle version uses an entirely different mechanism.
Its called Trans-drive, resembling a transmission ring gear.

 

[Ton ton]

Not across the board.
The standard and stubby are the same.
The 5-position adjustable handle version uses an entirely different mechanism.
Its called Trans-drive, resembling a transmission ring gear.

Learned something new today. I appreciate it very much.

 

[Cc_windsurfer]

Never heard of the dude, but I am happy with my snappy.

 

[Grokew]

Not across the board.
The standard and stubby are the same.
The 5-position adjustable handle version uses an entirely different mechanism.
Its called Trans-drive, resembling a transmission ring gear.

Here a youtuber takes one apart. Quite interesting.

Here a different youtuber taking apart a hard handle Snap-On

And here someone repairs a Gearwrench ratcheting screwdriver.

 

[Bubba Fett]

For working on computers, I prefer a longer shank driver. Sometimes motherboard screws are close to the edge of the case, and a long shank is needed to get a proper seating. A 6" long shank would be better.

The knurling is neat, but I have never missed it. If I need extra grip on the shank, I just apply a piece of heat-shrink tubing, which provides a gripping area as well as low voltage insulation.

I generally do not like ratcheting screwdrivers unless I'm dealing with longer machine screws, which I never come across in desktops, laptops, or servers. Occasionally I find them in printers, and constantly find them in wall plates. Ratcheting drivers are also handy when assembling or dismantling racks, but an electric driver is better.

I have also found magnetic and ball-detent multibit drivers unsuitable for screws that are recessed in deep holes. A conventional driver works best, and the tips can be magnetized.

If you get this, I'd recommend a set of power bits from Wiha and a Magnetizer/demagnetizer. They have Hollow Ground, Robertson, Phillips, Pozi-Driv, Torx, Hex (security versions of both of those) which should cover 99% of your screwing needs.

 

[DadsTools]

It's on back order already otherwise I would have one on order right now.

LMG puts out rough 15 videos per week on multiple YouTube channels. ONE of his channels has almost 15 million subscribers and you called it an "isolated world". Well, if that's isolated to you, the Garage Journal is basically no existent then. This place is lucky to have maybe a few hundred active users on a regular basis. lol. Linus doesn't NEED anyone from this place to buy his merch. My initial reply to you was simply meant to inform you that there are indeed some crossover people between LMG and GJ. It was totally inteded to be friendly, then you reply like the typical internet hard ***. Good job!

OK, I'm an "internet hard ***," whatever that is--sounds pretty formidable. And beside that, I did a good job? Thanks for the compliments! I already stated that Linus doesn't need GJers or other conventional tool users...you may have missed my posts #120 and #125...so you also agree with me on this too? That's great! Not to worry--you might have missed the fact that you didn't need to inform me or anyone else here that there's some crossover--the OP's original post with the videos already demonstrated that. But thanks for the gesture anyway.

But the question is this: if there actually is so much crossover, then why is it as Mike931lx observed in post #40, "I am puzzled at why that is relevant. It isn't like there has been thread after thread on the screwdriver...this is the only one." Why is that so, in a forum of avid tool enthusiasts? Why in all the posts does it appear that only a few members had even heard of this LTT driver? And why would no one in here even have one yet? That's my point. Whatever hypothetical crossover might be between LMG and GJ must be much smaller than you imagine it to be. Doesn't matter what the relative size of each might be--the two worlds are largely isolated from each other. That was my point. No amount of bluster alters that.

I can't imagine why you haven't ordered one yet. Just because it's on backorder? That never stopped a true GJer before. You really should just order one anyway. Then, when you do manage to get one, post about it so that those of us in this tiny, isolated GJ world can hear about it.

 

[Grokew]

It was an ominous day. Linus was working as usual, when his favorite screwdriver the Snap-On hard handle ratcheting screwdriver in Orange color and with a long shaft, suddenly broke. He was devastated.

Anthony wanted him to use cheap Chinese made Screwdrivers, he was saved by iFixit(still chinese made, just nicer), but Linus wasn't having it, If he was going to replace his Orange Snap-On it had to be with something better.

Thus began the journey.

 

[BlackHorseSaga]

So you're using your time to comment on a tool you think is obselete...I'm boggled.

Why don't we get rid of regular old screwdrivers too now that there's ratcheting ones

I mostly use flat head screwdrivers as prying tools, like everyone else. That's why they have "DONT USE AS A PRYBAR" written on them.

I can't remember the last time I actually saw a regular flat head screw.

 

[dukefx]

I mostly use flat head screwdrivers as prying tools, like everyone else. That's why they have "DONT USE AS A PRYBAR" written on them.

I can't remember the last time I actually saw a regular flat head screw.

Garage door handle. I even broke my reversible. Rusty POS. Most other door handles use hex.
Electronic cable connectors, never seen anything other than slotted.
Garden lamp, there are 3 slotted screws to fasten the glass hood.
Bathroom lamp, same as above.

There are plenty of slotted screws around the house, but other than the cable connectors it's mostly old stuff.

 

[BlackHorseSaga]

Garage door handle. I even broke my reversible. Rusty POS. Most other door handles use hex.
Electronic cable connectors, never seen anything other than slotted.
Garden lamp, there are 3 slotted screws to fasten the glass hood.
Bathroom lamp, same as above.

There are plenty of slotted screws around the house, but other than the cable connectors it's mostly old stuff.

The only time I ever pick up a flat blade for an actual screw, it's an extremely small one that I use a 1/8" blade for.

The electrical plates on wall outlets is one example I don't count as an actual use.

 

[PelicanPines]

It doesn't look very special. On backorder.. cute way of saying these are desirable but ... they don't look special. Maybe nobody has ever bought any and it's just a marketing gimmick. Nothing special.

 

[macnugget]

And why would no one in here even have one yet? That's my point.

Perhaps you missed the fact that this screwdriver was just released to the market last week and they have shipped exactly 0 units. The first wave of shipments is promised to ship sometime before October 1st. Nobody in GJ or anywhere else on the planet has received one.

Not much of a conspiracy.

 

[dukefx]

Perhaps you missed the fact that this screwdriver was just released to the market last week and they have shipped exactly 0 units. The first wave of shipments is promised to ship sometime before October 1st. Nobody in GJ or anywhere else on the planet has received one.

Not much of a conspiracy.

Except a few hundred people you mean, reviewers, friends, etc. I think they are playing it save before having to issue some massive recall or something like that.

 

[BlackHorseSaga]

I disagree. With a manual or ratcheting screwdriver you have control over how much torque you apply. With a battery operated screwdriver you are at the Mercy of the clutch settings or the manufacturer. I once sheared the head of a screw while working on a TV at a customers place, and had to take the TV back to the lab. The electric screwdriver was too strong. And have been on the opposite situation too, not being able to take out a screw because the clutch yields.

You must be using a terrible electric screwdriver. Mine on Clutch position 1 can't even loosen a T8 head equal to a 3mm bolt that is essentially finger tight.

 

[Citation]

The people watching LTT aren't snap on customers and most probably don't even know snap on exists.

He'll sell a ton because his fans are enthusiastic and numerous.

I've watched a lot of his videos and I knew Snapon before I knew of Craftsman.

It looks nice but to rich for my blood. I have Craftsman not because I think they are best but because they were sufficient for the price when I bought them. Incidentally I really like my Craftsman ratcheting screwdriver which is kind of a homage to the really nice Snapon model.

 

[seber]

I know Rolgear was mentioned earlier in this thread, but I thought it deserved another mention since it wasn't included in the Project Farm video.

If your criteria are:

• Arc Swing
• Weight without bits
• Weight with bits
• Back drag force
• Shaft wobble
• Magnetic strength

Then Rolgear is at least going to have something to say about the arc swing and back drag - that's the whole point of their gearless mechanism. There's no gear teeth to move a pawl over.

Sure, the bits probably add to the weight - but only because they are long bits, not 1" insert bits. That's an advantage where you don't have room for the larger diameter of the bit-holding screwdriver shaft.

None of that is meant to disparage the LTT. It looks like a great screwdriver. I'm just feeling defensive since the made-in-Canada option was left out of the test.

Actually, the rolgear also has lost motion in arc swing. The rollers need to rise up the ramp before they engage.

 

[rlitman]

Those are quite a few differences that can definitely affect the way the screwdrivers compare to each other.

Edit: thank you for the link.

No, they're not. The ball detent doesn't affect anything PF tested, and the difference in friction between the rubber ring and steel washer is almost insignificant after break-in.

What I've found though is that back-drag on these is most affected by wear. The ratchets come from the factory kind of draggy with too thick a lube (and the rubber ring adds a little more drag to the Instinct models), but with use they loosen up quite a bit. You can easily feel the difference between my warranty replacements and most "loved" ones that will continue to spin for nearly a second with the flick of your wrist.

Not across the board.
The standard and stubby are the same.
The 5-position adjustable handle version uses an entirely different mechanism.
Its called Trans-drive, resembling a transmission ring gear.

True, but he didn't test that version. I only have two of these, and neither is yet as broken in or feels nearly as good as my oldest hard handles.

 

[AA/FC]

OK, I'm an "internet hard ***," whatever that is--sounds pretty formidable. And beside that, I did a good job? Thanks for the compliments! I already stated that Linus doesn't need GJers or other conventional tool users...you may have missed my posts #120 and #125...so you also agree with me on this too? That's great! Not to worry--you might have missed the fact that you didn't need to inform me or anyone else here that there's some crossover--the OP's original post with the videos already demonstrated that. But thanks for the gesture anyway.

But the question is this: if there actually is so much crossover, then why is it as Mike931lx observed in post #40, "I am puzzled at why that is relevant. It isn't like there has been thread after thread on the screwdriver...this is the only one." Why is that so, in a forum of avid tool enthusiasts? Why in all the posts does it appear that only a few members had even heard of this LTT driver? And why would no one in here even have one yet? That's my point. Whatever hypothetical crossover might be between LMG and GJ must be much smaller than you imagine it to be. Doesn't matter what the relative size of each might be--the two worlds are largely isolated from each other. That was my point. No amount of bluster alters that.

I can't imagine why you haven't ordered one yet. Just because it's on backorder? That never stopped a true GJer before. You really should just order one anyway. Then, when you do manage to get one, post about it so that those of us in this tiny, isolated GJ world can hear about it.

Yeah, and this post is just another example. lol.

 

[CS454]

M18 1/4" driver is the only screwdriver I own

You're all wasting your time with these analog trinkets.

 

[Bubba Fett]

M18 1/4" driver is the only screwdriver I own

You're all wasting your time with these analog trinkets.

1/8", 3/16", 1/4" and 5'16" are all still very common sizes in everything from terminal blocks, finishing screws, and hose clamps. Screws in old machines and furniture don't update themselves. 3/8" (and above) isn't too common, but when you need it, you need it.

I've also used Standard drivers in stripped Phillips screws, and if they are round head screws, you can cut a slot with a hacksaw. I do admit to using them improperly as prybars, and have dedicated drivers with sharpened blades for that reason.

 

[CS454]

1/8", 3/16", 1/4" and 5'16" are all still very common sizes in everything from terminal blocks, finishing screws, and hose clamps. Screws in old machines and furniture don't update themselves. 3/8" (and above) isn't too common, but when you need it, you need it.

I've also used Standard drivers in stripped Phillips screws, and if they are round head screws, you can cut a slot with a hacksaw. I do admit to using them improperly as prybars, and have dedicated drivers with sharpened blades for that reason.

I tend to hammer Robertson squares into stripped phillips. Usually stripped because the fastener has that pesky dot on it, which was ignored in the name of book time.


Otherwise I subscribe to vice grips as a universal standard of removal.