Mac closing Sabina Plant

[philw]

so i'm assuming that bob is the contact that chuck spoke too......

and of course the evidence does not back up his statement.

I think whatever rep Camarosrus talked to is a little confused.

As far as I know MAC does not have a FACTORY in Columbus. They do have a large WAREHOUSE.
Westerfield?????? They do have their OFFICE in WESTERVILLE, OH. It's a suburb of Columbus.

I have been by both places and neither look like they produce tools. The Westerville location is an office building.

 

[krusty the clown]

I think whatever rep Camarosrus talked to is a little confused.

As far as I know MAC does not have a FACTORY in Columbus. They do have a large WAREHOUSE.
Westerfield?????? They do have their OFFICE in WESTERVILLE, OH. It's a suburb of Columbus.

I have been by both places and neither look like they produce tools. The Westerville location is an office building.

BINGO......

i thought the boxes were made in georgetown but a quick check of stanley's website shows NO facility listed there. so where are the boxes made?

 

[Hawk321]

Hunydai, Kia and Deawoo.

they all started small and their car were crappy. Deawoo died out fairly quickly, but Hunydai and Kia started to notice that they had a very small customer group, in order for them to grow, they need to take care of them first, so came the 100k mile warranty which shocked the world. at the same time, they improoved the build quality, copied more styling notes from other successful cars.

Daewoo isn't dead...their crappy cars be sold under the Chevrolet (GM!!) brand here in europe...

And KIA is another brand who abuse the cheap labor from CZ...in fact...KIA is expensive....I don't need a 7 year warranty on everything....
worked for a KIA shop...here a noise...there a noise...when I want asia stuff...I order chicken teriyaki or watch manga movies.

 

[Bobthenailer]

Just wanted t set the record straight, I work for a divison of Stanley / Stanley Vidmar. Stanley is not moving the tool production from the plant that is closing off shore, it is moving to the Dallas Texas plant where most of the production has been done for years.
Stanley is a good company, with good employees, these cut backs are unfortunate, please be careful to what you are saying you may be contributing to other Americans losing jobs. Thanks Over and Out.

 

[Zrexxer]

please be careful to what you are saying you may be contributing to other Americans losing jobs. Thanks Over and Out.

A slip of the lip can sink a ship, don't want Jerry getting intel from the homefront, right what? WTF? Pretty sure the only thing I've ever said that contributed to someone losing their job was "You're Fired."

Daewoo isn't dead...their crappy cars be sold under the Chevrolet (GM!!)

Daewoo produces the subcompact Chevrolet Aveo models here in the USA.

 

[Bobthenailer]

I see the other posts and you are correct I was talking out of my *** on the columbus and westerfield locations. I did not realize until I talked with a managment person at Mac that Dallas Texas was the main Plant where Hard Line Tools have always been produced. I work for Stanley but in a division removed from tools. I talk to people in Columbus so I assumed that was where the plant was. But I do know that all the chatter about hard line tools going on is false they are being made in Dallas Texas. I hate Chinese **** as much as the rest of you guys but please dont jump to conclusions.
I work for Stanley Vidmar Our cabinets are made in Allentown PA if they ever start making cabinets in China fr use in America I will quit.

 

[t100]

Daewoo isn't dead...their crappy cars be sold under the Chevrolet (GM!!) brand here in europe...

And KIA is another brand who abuse the cheap labor from CZ...in fact...KIA is expensive....I don't need a 7 year warranty on everything....
worked for a KIA shop...here a noise...there a noise...when I want asia stuff...I order chicken teriyaki or watch manga movies.

they are selling more cars than before, meaning more people are buying them. Kia is made as West Point, Ga. Hyundai is made in Montgomery,
Bama.
you are right, Daewoo is now GM Daewoo. but the no longer sold under the Daewoo name in north America.

 

[Monte]

here the korean chevrolets: www.chevrolet.de/fahrzeuge/

 

[krusty the clown]

But I do know that all the chatter about hard line tools going on is false they are being made in Dallas Texas. I hate Chinese **** as much as the rest of you guys but please dont jump to conclusions.

bob, take the time and look through a MAC catalog. you'll find a lot of asian made tools.INCLUDING hardline.

 

[selohssa]

This is sad news. I am in Canada but I feel that anything that hurts USA also hurts Canada and vise versa. I am a big believer in buying local (North America) and This news will undoubtably affect my future decisions on purchasing MAC tools.

 

[vssjim]

Bob is drinking cool aid, I have been on the truck and see the COO on the packages or on the tools. Yes they still make SOME hard line in Dallas at Stanley Mechanics Tool division as stated before I have seen it in person. But alot of hard line and many others are made offshore now, I saw many many things that used to Lisle made Mac branded tools now just MAC branded made in china for the same retail price or more than the US made Lisle tool etc. Sorry Bob just can't go along with it. They are not alone in this as many others do it also.

 

[Bobthenailer]

all I am saying is Stanley is an American company competing in a global economy. If you boycott Mac who will you buy from any different?
Most of the MAC line is made in the good old USA. If you boycott Mac you are adding to the problem. I dont have time to stay on here and answer all the feedback but please stay with American Companies like Stanley they are trying to survive, and stanley employees thousands of Americans like me (vietnam Vet)
that have to feed our families. If you dont buy from American companies the damn Chinese will be the only people left producing anything.
There isnt a tool company in existance that does not have some off shore products in there line. Why just attack MAC?
The global economy is something we have brought on ourselves we should have stoped it when it started many years ago. I stand behind MAC maybe because it is a Stanley company. Stanley was founded in New Britian Connecticut in 1843
they employ over 40,000 people over six continents with the merger of Black and Decker.
This is an American Company Guys, is there another company out there more American? Well I dont have anything else to say but before you form an opinion think about the world we live in.
Thanks and out...Im off the air until tomorrow at the earliest.

 

[selohssa]

Bob has a valid point. What is the answer if everyone is going global? Is there any quality tool company that is 100 % north american?

 

[K5blazer83]

I'm as patriotic as the rest of you guys but as Mr. Obama and others have stated "it's a global economy". Read it and weap...the good old days are over and sad to say they're not coming back. I too cannot stand the inferiority of Chiwanese tools but there's nothing we can do. It's all on corporate America and our government as Obama and others have turning this into a socialist country. Maybe Obama should buy MAC tools and open factories here as patriotic as he is.
American's want stuff in bluk and cheap, and it just costs too much in America to make stuff, from raw materials to labor costs its just too much. An economics professor told me the other day that "in reality it's becoming uneconomical to manaufactur raw products as well as consumer goods in the U.S., hence the mass amount of off-shore production". Living outside of your means is whats killing America. And its a slow agonizing death until the Chinese walk in our front door and takeover. I'm not unpatriotic..I'm a realist. And if you can't see the forest for the tree's there's no helping you.
I'm stepping off the soapbox


P.S. I might just start taking Chinese language classes next semester so I'm prepared for the invasion.

 

[Aberdale]

Thanks for commenting, Bob. I, for one, appreciate your input and understand the complexities of global manufacturing since I worked at Ford Motor Company. I wish you and Stanley well, as I do any U.S. based manufacturer.

Too many guys on this board get their knickers all bunched up over COO, which is really a minor issue in the overall picture of designing, engineering, manufacturing, marketing, distributing, selling, and servicing a product.

The discussion is good entertainment, though. Especially when you get guys that only know what they hear from someone else. Unfortunately, most of these guys live their lives the same way, and will make their purchasing decisions based on opinions from this board rather than doing any real research themselves. (No offense to you guys that actually do your homework.)

Dale

 

[K5blazer83]

Bob has a valid point. What is the answer if everyone is going global? Is there any quality tool company that is 100 % north american?

Yes only one: The Wright Tool Company. Only one's I know of that EVERYTHING is done in the U.S. I do question even Snap-On, Armstrong and Craftsman tools steel quality. There is no solid evidence...remember you can write and print whatever you want and it doesn't mean its true.

 

[Bull]

Is there a more American tool company with a more exclusively American line of products?

Yep: Wright.

And for those beating the drum of American pride, that's where more dollars should be going, rewarding them for the very thing we say tool companies need to do! And yet, Wright tools are still in a niche, even for the die-hard America guys on here.

 

[t100]

Yes only one: The Wright Tool Company. Only one's I know of that EVERYTHING is done in the U.S. I do question even Snap-On, Armstrong and Craftsman tools steel quality. There is no solid evidence...remember you can write and print whatever you want and it doesn't mean its true.

we had a thread couple months ago regarding Chinese Snap On, tools. Snap On is absolutely global.

here is 1 fine example: $150+ chinese c-clamp

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...tem_ID=12665&group_ID=1748&store=&dir=catalog

talk about ripoff.

 

[vssjim]

I don't understand why people would call someone short sighted or dumb for wanting to buy American I think people should buy what they want but I won't label them. What I don't like about the Stanley deal with the offshore change is because they move production but I don't see a change in price ie: we can't afford to make it here but it still sells for the same price or more when moved to china, what changed other cost to the seller. I have American tools as well as foreign tools but I also know the proper value and I'm not seeing it with some companies changing pricing to refect cost vs. sale price. I still think in many cases they figure it's away to pump up numbers for the white collar crowd even if it does cost them some sales due to customers that do care about COO.

 

[stricht8]

From my experience the US made MAC tools are their wrenches and sockets, excluding the edge line which is made in Taiwan and the ratcheting wrenches also made in Taiwan. It seems like a lot of their ratchets are also Asian or European in origin (FACOM).

 

[K5blazer83]

I don't understand why people would call someone short sighted or dumb for wanting to buy American I think people should buy what they want but I won't label them

vssjim well said.

 

[t100]

What I don't like about the Stanley deal with the offshore change is because they move production but I don't see a change in price ie: we can't afford to make it here but it still sells for the same price or more when moved to china, what changed other cost to the seller.

it's science. if they can sell it at $32 why they would sell it at $24. as long as people still paying, they will just do that. by the time the market turns, these current CEO's would be long gone with their bonuses and stock options, why would they care?

 

[foolishpride]

http://stillmadeinusa.com/
http://buyamerican.com/index.html
http://madeinusaforever.com/index.html
here are three and there are alot more if you do alittle looking

I buy alot of clothes from here:

http://www.allamericanclothing.com/

 

[benjamming]

Link please?

Here are just a few that we use

Clothing Sites:
http://www.americanimageinc.com/
http://www.texasjeans.com/
http://www.billskhakis.com/
http://www.cottonfieldusa.com/home.php
http://www.gussetclothing.com/
http://www.filson.com/home/
http://shop.vendio.com/mikejonea2
http://jlpowellusa.com/
http://montanosinc.com/store/
http://www.nbwebexpress.com/information/madeinusa.asp
http://www.patriotmade.com/catalog/index.php
http://www.pointerbrand.com/
http://www.skiviez.com/Catalog/MadeInUsa.underwear
http://www.stcroixshop.com/stcroix/
http://www.duluthtrading.com/
http://www.unionlabel.com/
http://www.allamericanclothing.com/
http://www.andrearaymond.com/

 

[brockstar]

Sad news for an already depressed region with the DHL debacle...

 

[caper]

The discussion is good entertainment, though. Especially when you get guys that only know what they hear from someone else. Unfortunately, most of these guys live their lives the same way, and will make their purchasing decisions based on opinions from this board rather than doing any real research themselves. (No offense to you guys that actually do your homework.)

Dale

There are many of us guys on this forum who do their research.I'd say some of the members here are some of the most informed tool users in the world when it comes to who makes what and where.It's not really the place to come and try to blow sunshine up peoples ***'s.A lot of us know better.Remember Mac was fined by the government for stamping tools with USA that were made overseas.Doesn't seem like a standup company to me.

 

[toolnut]

I see the other posts and you are correct I was talking out of my *** on the columbus and westerfield locations. I did not realize until I talked with a managment person at Mac that Dallas Texas was the main Plant where Hard Line Tools have always been produced. I work for Stanley but in a division removed from tools. I talk to people in Columbus so I assumed that was where the plant was. But I do know that all the chatter about hard line tools going on is false they are being made in Dallas Texas. I hate Chinese **** as much as the rest of you guys but please dont jump to conclusions.
I work for Stanley Vidmar Our cabinets are made in Allentown PA if they ever start making cabinets in China fr use in America I will quit.

That's why the "Made in the USA" was removed from the Mac tool line and my Mac guy said it was a global economy??? I guess I will never be sold on the "We are not moving to China." as the containers are being loaded in the background for the ship ride across the ocean....

 

[TireTracks]

Is there a more American tool company with a more exclusively American line of products?

Yep: Wright.

And for those beating the drum of American pride, that's where more dollars should be going, rewarding them for the very thing we say tool companies need to do! And yet, Wright tools are still in a niche, even for the die-hard America guys on here.

I think people just like to complain about what everyone else should be doing.

Anyone know how wright flare nut wrenches are, and how much they cost?

 

[09-JK]

Some of your strategies just do not make sense. Mac closes a plant and consolidates product to another US plant so they can remain competitive and the response is Boycott them so that more US jobs are lost.

 

[benjamming]

Anyone know how wright flare nut wrenches are, and how much they cost?

List prices:
$62.17: 743 - 3 piece flare nut wrench set 3/8" - 11/16"
$69.17: 744 - 5 piece flare nut wrench set 9-14mm

 

[vssjim]

Some of your strategies just do not make sense. Mac closes a plant and consolidates product to another US plant so they can remain competitive and the response is Boycott them so that more US jobs are lost.

I think what everybody is wondering is if they are really moving the production to another US factory as that has not been the case any time in the recent past.

 

[K5blazer83]

A agree with vssjim:

I think what everybody is wondering is if they are really moving the production to another US factory as that has not been the case any time in the recent past.

I've been trying to justify buying MAC tools lately and after the debate on this board it seems I'm finding it easier to stray away from MAC. I also am beginning to discount them in the "Big 3" category of Snap-On, Matco, MAC. From their Country of Origin problems to other lawsuits and bad business practices.....if Stanley would have left them alone. I hate you Stanley.

 

[t100]

I think due to MAC is a prior offender, in order for them to go back to the GSA business to have a bit on the stimulus money, they need to be really careful about themselves.

Stanley is definitely capable to hire some big guns to lobby for them.

 

[Bolster]

This demotivational poster seems appropriate...

 

[K5blazer83]

Agreed, welcome to corporate greed and the evil men in buisness suits.

 

[09-JK]

Agreed, welcome to corporate greed and the evil men in buisness suits.

I think you just cross threaded.

 

[Aberdale]

I think you just cross threaded.

LMAO!!!!

 

[K5blazer83]

Indeed I did

 

[Bolster]

(chuckle) Lot of you guys always go for the 'class warfare' explanation.

We call it "greed" when the money goes into someone else's pocket; we call it "making a living" when it goes into ours.

The suits are no more and no less evil than anyone else. Truth of it is, the consumers decide so the consumers are "at fault" if anyone is. American consumers want the lowest possible prices and the highest possible salaries. Is that evil? No, it's human...it just IS.

You can bet your last dime that if consumers insisted on Made in USA, the suits would find a way to make it happen.

As consumers, we are "the boss" of the suits; they do what we ("we" in the aggregate, not "we" here at GJ) want them to do. If they don't, they go out of business. Fast.

So beat up on the suits if it makes you feel better, but don't fool yourself into thinking they are the root of evil, that's just silly.

 

[krusty the clown]

(chuckle) Lot of you guys always go for the 'class warfare' explanation.

We call it "greed" when the money goes into someone else's pocket; we call it "making a living" when it goes into ours.

The suits are no more and no less evil than anyone else. Truth of it is, the consumers decide so the consumers are "at fault" if anyone is. American consumers want the lowest possible prices and the highest possible salaries. Is that evil? No, it's human...it just IS.

You can bet your last dime that if consumers insisted on Made in USA, the suits would find a way to make it happen.

As consumers, we are "the boss" of the suits; they do what we ("we" in the aggregate, not "we" here at GJ) want them to do. If they don't, they go out of business. Fast.

So beat up on the suits if it makes you feel better, but don't fool yourself into thinking they are the root of evil, that's just silly.

true to a point BUT corporations and the suits that run them will sacrifice the long term good of the country for this quarter's bonus.