TTI has TWO Chinese plants, Dongguan and Zhuhai. Obviously Ryobi and Milwaukee are made in the same plant. Ding Dong YOU LOST your arguement....
Made the switch to DeWalt
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littlelebowski
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It is sad to see an adult eschew logic like this and flail around so wildly , furthermore without any proof whatsoever.
I will break it down as simply as I can for you and give you one more chance to be mature and rational. Here we go:
Your premise is that Ryobi and Milwaukee are the same. I have asked you many times if that means that both tool brand‘s numbers are the same. Obviously, they should be same or very close if your premise is true, as tested by independent testers such as @Torque Test Channel. I’m giving you a chance to extricate yourself from this hole of irrational, emotion you have dug for yourself over inanimate objects because…the test data supporting my argument against yours is already out there.
littlelebowski
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Yup, if you follow his logic, Chevrolet and Cadillac are the same because their parent company is GM. This is painful to watch, especially with so much excellent data on the different brands from independent testing freely available. I’ve tried to be nice about this, but he keeps doubling down on emotion driven responses, not logic nor facts.
garfunkle24
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Arguing with people who are emotionally attached to their opinions and thus unwilling to change them regardless of logic, evidence or reason is a fool's errand. Just saying.
Nope. Enjoy your delusions that you THINK Ryobi and Milwaukee are two different things. You have faulty logic not me. You have it backwards, I provided links.
Whatever. I provided facts and you are free to sprout your delusional "logic". Hello "logic"??? TTI has TWO factories in China and it doesn't take a idiot to see that Ryobi and Milwaukee are coming from the same manufacturing plants when there are ONLY TWO TTI manufacturing plants in China. Your "logic" is so faulty that I could poke holes in it
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OP I always had good experience with Dewalt tools both corded and cordless since 2002. Makita tools are very good as well but prefer Dewalt for most power tools. Porter Cable also part of SBD is good for routers and nail guns.
Wow, this turned into a Shitshow of a thread didn't it.
Dewalt makes good tools. I've always avoided buying them because I hate yellow, but using them, they've been on par with Milwaukee and Makita. I have the Milwaukee lineup, I like the ergonomics but I'm only mildly satisfied overall.
COO doesn't mean anything to me though. I like quality tools, that's my priority. Japanese vehicles, German pliers, American hand planes and saws, Ukrainian and Canadian smithing, etc. I buy what I like the best regardless of COO. There are true craftsman all over the world, I like supporting them.
Just because two brands are made in the same factory, doesn't make them equal. Design, materials, quality control can all vary. This is a ridiculous argument to be having on either side.
Dewalt makes good tools. I've always avoided buying them because I hate yellow, but using them, they've been on par with Milwaukee and Makita. I have the Milwaukee lineup, I like the ergonomics but I'm only mildly satisfied overall.
COO doesn't mean anything to me though. I like quality tools, that's my priority. Japanese vehicles, German pliers, American hand planes and saws, Ukrainian and Canadian smithing, etc. I buy what I like the best regardless of COO. There are true craftsman all over the world, I like supporting them.
Just because two brands are made in the same factory, doesn't make them equal. Design, materials, quality control can all vary. This is a ridiculous argument to be having on either side.
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littlelebowski
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Then we both agree that independent testing should show that Ryobi and Milwaukee power tools test identically. I happen to know of an independent tester whom does not accept corporate donations and shows their work.
This isn’t even new news. ‘97 the British returned it to China.
I love these threads. I mean we have to have a quarterly Asia bashing. I fell the need to point out that merchant mariners and long shoremen are Americans. They appreciate you buying Asian goods. Also warehouse workers and truck drivers. People buying more cheap Asian can actually drive more economic growth then fewer people buying expensive American stuff. It is not as cut and dry as people like to make it sound.
I think there are two things that drive the wanting to have USA made tools or other goods. First, having manufacturing capability in your own country is extremely important for a long list of reasons, the last 18 months has highlighted some of the shortfalls of JIT and relying on long shipping times. Second, when companies, such as Milwaukee, move their manufacturing offshore to save them money but do not lower the retail prices. They're relying completely on brand recognition and legacy to justify higher prices. It seems to work for them but before I’ll spend my money on high priced off shore tools I’ll try to find USA made equivalents.
finn
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Correct about Hong Kong, but you’re playing fast and loose trying to rationalize buying imported products instead of equivalent domestically produced goods.
Warehouse workers are required for domestic products too, and one longshoreman doesn’t support a tax base and school system like a factory does. Mariners are largely Southeast Asia based crews.
Weak argument.
Too bad about the thread drift but my Dewalt and Milwaukee power tools get along quite well but reside in separate drawers. Great tools and either one gets the job done. Ryobi makes good tools but are relegated to yard duty or lender tools 
only. My older set of LXT Makita reside at my dads house for emergency diy repairs .
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javyLSU
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Haha, my red DeWalt (MAC) and my Milwaukee are peaceful roommates tooToo bad about the thread drift but my Dewalt and Milwaukee power tools get along quite well but reside in separate drawers. Great tools and either one gets the job done. Ryobi makes good tools but are relegated to yard duty or lender tools
Handyandy23
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Haha, my red DeWalt (MAC) and my Milwaukee are peaceful roommates too
What is that organizer you have in that drawer??
javyLSU
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It’s from a Snap-on KERN Epiq series box, part number is 843AE5000. See this thread for more info…
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One company can make (or be heavily involved in making) great professional grade tools and cheap consumer-grade tools at the same time. Techtronic does it, Stanley Black&Decker does it, and Makita does it. So does IR. So does Bosch. So does Illinois Tool Works. Oh, and Quincy, Lincoln Electric, Honda power equipment, and Stihl. Moving away from tools, so does every major automaker, notably GM, Ford, Stellantis, VAG, and Toyota.
The only brands I know of that cater only or almost only to the pros with their tools are Spitznas and BDS Maschinen of Germany, Hougen, Roper-Whitney, and Saylor-Beall in the USA and Nitto Kohki of Japan. Notably, these brands are much less widely known.
The direction this thread took is ridiculous. To OP, enjoy your shiny new Dewalt tools. I personally am not a SB&D fan, but I do appreciate them bringing manufacturing jobs to the USA. If you can get a word in edgewise, post a picture of what you do with them.
The only brands I know of that cater only or almost only to the pros with their tools are Spitznas and BDS Maschinen of Germany, Hougen, Roper-Whitney, and Saylor-Beall in the USA and Nitto Kohki of Japan. Notably, these brands are much less widely known.
The direction this thread took is ridiculous. To OP, enjoy your shiny new Dewalt tools. I personally am not a SB&D fan, but I do appreciate them bringing manufacturing jobs to the USA. If you can get a word in edgewise, post a picture of what you do with them.
Handyandy23
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Does that same logic carry over for Ryobi, AEG, and Milwaukee? Or it's only for the tool colors you don't like as much?
Bubba Fett
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People's feelings are so easily hurt.
Back on topic: I like DeWalt. But I also like/use Makita, Bosch, Milwaukee, and a few others. None of them have really disappointed me. I do like that SBD is at least making an effort to bring jobs back to America. This has, and will influence my choices.
Back on topic: I like DeWalt. But I also like/use Makita, Bosch, Milwaukee, and a few others. None of them have really disappointed me. I do like that SBD is at least making an effort to bring jobs back to America. This has, and will influence my choices.
I'd argue that if you have time to argue over brands... on the internet... you probably aren't using your tools enough and you probably aren't the guy I'd take tool advice from.
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