madmagnus garage (Sweden)
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Some more pictures of the osb orgie and some insulation, tried to push hard so i could turn on the heat.
This outdoor picture was taken at the same ( the end of January )
Insulating the inner roof, 230 milimeters total
Installing ventilation pipes, also wrapped them in rockwoll to prevent moist to separate from the air inside the pipes as they get cooled.
This installation makes it easy to add an exhaust fan later.
This outdoor picture was taken at the same ( the end of January )
Insulating the inner roof, 230 milimeters total
Installing ventilation pipes, also wrapped them in rockwoll to prevent moist to separate from the air inside the pipes as they get cooled.
This installation makes it easy to add an exhaust fan later.
Flatland Dave
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Great build!
Bib Overalls
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Never seen that pressed block rock wool insulation before. Looks like good stuff!
It's the "****"
Nowadays everybody uses blown insulation (cellulosa) but for fireproofing rockwoll is the way to go.
How are the regulations conserning firesafety when building garages / metal workshops in the US? iv'e seen so many garages with only osb sheets on the walls.
If i dont have atleast dual layers of drywall on all inside surfaces my insurance will be worthless in case of fire.
Since i plan to do a lot of welding, cutting etc.... i went all the way just to be safe.
admranger
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It's the "****"
Nowadays everybody uses blown insulation (cellulosa) but for fireproofing rockwoll is the way to go.
How are the regulations conserning firesafety when building garages / metal workshops in the US? iv'e seen so many garages with only osb sheets on the walls.
If i dont have atleast dual layers of drywall on all inside surfaces my insurance will be worthless in case of fire.
Since i plan to do a lot of welding, cutting etc.... i went all the way just to be safe.
The building codes vary by location in the USA. In Las Vegas, you have to have 5/8" (~16mm) drywall between the garage and the living quarters. Wall insulation is typically fiberglass batts. My walls are framed with 2" x 6" (~50mm x ~150mm) lumber. I wish I would have used rock wool when the house was built. Does it have similar insulating value as fiberglass?
I almost forgot, ground up newspapers treated with a fire and insect retardant chemical is the usual attic insulation anymore... I hate that stuff. I wonder how long the fire retardant chemical really lasts? Since my furnace and air handling unit is in the attic, I could see a spark from the fan motor setting the whole house up in one "****" as the paper ignites!
I recently added 10" of blown fiberglass on top of the paper insulation as the gas company had a huge financial incentive to do so (they paid 1/2 the cost).The building codes vary by location in the USA. In Las Vegas, you have to have 5/8" (~16mm) drywall between the garage and the living quarters. Wall insulation is typically fiberglass batts. My walls are framed with 2" x 6" (~50mm x ~150mm) lumber. I wish I would have used rock wool when the house was built. Does it have similar insulating value as fiberglass?
I almost forgot, ground up newspapers treated with a fire and insect retardant chemical is the usual attic insulation anymore... I hate that stuff. I wonder how long the fire retardant chemical really lasts? Since my furnace and air handling unit is in the attic, I could see a spark from the fan motor setting the whole house up in one "****" as the paper ignites!
Interesting, thank you for clearing things up! The Rockwool is almost the same as fiberglas in values, very little differens.
My walls are framed 8" thick (190mm) so i think it's enough insulation even for this cold climate.
I have spent a lot of money on fireproof material as you will see in my next posts.
This is some photos of the hatches i built to cover the hole in the seling. they will eventually be covered with fireproof material.
As i said earlier, lots of money on the material.
This is sheets of Minerit/Cembrit, it's made of fiber reinforced cement. made for tough environment were the usual drywall fails.
It can withstand beating and fire extremely well.
The downside of this material is the extra job it takes to mount it, every hole needs to be pre-drilled.
On the other hand it needs no sanding or paint to look good.
max2919
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Minerit?
Easterlake
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Magnus,
I've enjoyed watching your progress. Below is a link to my shop.
My daughter played basketball in Kinna over the Winter and we were able to visit your country for 10 days. I wish it would have been shorts and t-shirt weather, but we had a great time anyway.
Kevin
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121442
I've enjoyed watching your progress. Below is a link to my shop.
My daughter played basketball in Kinna over the Winter and we were able to visit your country for 10 days. I wish it would have been shorts and t-shirt weather, but we had a great time anyway.
Kevin
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121442
admranger
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Super work Magnus.
Beautiful dog, Easterlake.
Beautiful dog, Easterlake.
HOTFR8
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Been watching this with interest but now have to ask about the doors in the ceiling and what you intend to use them for.
HOTFR8
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Dissapoint me
No. Infact that is a great idea and similar ideas have been shown on here on the GJ using a Winch.
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M. Blue 240
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Aside from insurance reasons whats the purpose of all the fire proofing? Are you trying to keep the fire contained in the garage portion? I guess that way the structure is safe and you jsut have to replace everything inside of it.
Here in the US we wouldn't have to do any fireproofing like that. If money were no object and I were able to build a house/shop I'd put all sorts of fire safety items in though.
Here in the US we wouldn't have to do any fireproofing like that. If money were no object and I were able to build a house/shop I'd put all sorts of fire safety items in though.
You guessed right, fire regulations are tough in Sweden. according to my permit my garage needs to withstand fire for a minimum of 60 minutes, to achieve that i need 2 layer of drywall.
Ofcourse the whole idea is to contain the possible fire inside the building and isolated from the important parts of the structure.
I went all in to be safe.
ConCretin
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I've never seen anyone go to those lengths to fire proof their garage walls. Code or no code, it's impressive. Looks like a lot of hard work and money but it will provide fantastic peace of mind. Every time I do any cutting or welding, I spend the next two hours worrying about whether the whole place is going to burn down. Great build!
ODIS
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Have enjoyed reading of your build and all the hoops you have jumped to meet the local code. I thought too, why not just sprinkle the garage interior, but then, I remember your cold winters and the probability of freezing the sprinkler system if the heat went out in the building..... And, adding another level of possible regulations to your build. Your progress is amazing from the DIY aspect and a well deserved congratulations to you on the progress.
Ody.
Ody.
Thank you all for your kind words!
I have once started a garage fire by accident, some old rags lit up while i was cutting some pipes. Fire spreads rapidly with plastic and other chemicals u might store in a garage.
I managed to put it out without any larger damage but it's still in fresh memory.
The 2000$ i spent on drywall and minerit feels like a good investment for peace of mind.
I have once started a garage fire by accident, some old rags lit up while i was cutting some pipes. Fire spreads rapidly with plastic and other chemicals u might store in a garage.
I managed to put it out without any larger damage but it's still in fresh memory.
The 2000$ i spent on drywall and minerit feels like a good investment for peace of mind.
I forgot to take pictures from when i sanded and painted the walls but that's boring anyway, this is how it looked afterwards.
I've also mounted the wireladders for the electric install, made it the industrial way so it can be easily altered. the central has moved to it's final destination.
These were taken late at night. I think it captures the atmosphere i was going for.
I've also mounted the wireladders for the electric install, made it the industrial way so it can be easily altered. the central has moved to it's final destination.
These were taken late at night. I think it captures the atmosphere i was going for.
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mscribellito
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Quite an impressive shop you have there. The fact that you did most of that yourself is amazing. Crisp and clean. Seems to be a pretty stout building as well. Well constructed and thought out.
Long time and no update but this time i have something to show you.
Just bought myself a larger lathe, i had a small precision Boley & Leinen but sold it when i got my hands on this little beast.
It's a Herbert 2D Capstan lathe made in England sometime in the 60's or early 70's i think. built to manufacture plenty of items in a short time, it's a very well built machine with a lot of interesting features. one of the coolest things is the 4 speed motor in combination with a high/low clutch drive that makes 8 different speeds avaliable without stopping. A fast gear switch makes another 8 speeds availiable.
At the moment i have changed all oils and given it a good cleanup, just waiting for some power.
Just bought myself a larger lathe, i had a small precision Boley & Leinen but sold it when i got my hands on this little beast.
It's a Herbert 2D Capstan lathe made in England sometime in the 60's or early 70's i think. built to manufacture plenty of items in a short time, it's a very well built machine with a lot of interesting features. one of the coolest things is the 4 speed motor in combination with a high/low clutch drive that makes 8 different speeds avaliable without stopping. A fast gear switch makes another 8 speeds availiable.
At the moment i have changed all oils and given it a good cleanup, just waiting for some power.
Omphaloskeptic
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Madmangus, I've just 'discovered your thread and would like to add my congratulations to you on the single-handed work you are doing. Impressive!
I would venture a guess that with the generous wall thickness, dense insulation, and double-skin interior, you will be able to make as much noise as you want and your neighbors won't hear a thing. lol Will your windows be triple-glazed for heat retention? Will you be adding window shutters too?
Your new toy/tool is very interesting to me even though I've never had the opportunity to learn how to use a lathe. Are there any (English) websites such as YouTube which show the Herbert 2D Capstan lathe in operation? The device on the right of the ways; is that a multiple tool turret for quick successive machine operations? Perhaps you may one day have the time (after the shop build), to create a thread here on GJ to show us its features, uses, and some of the things you have made using it. What are your plans for the beast when you put it to work?
Thanks for the great thread, and please keep us posted on your progress and projects!
I would venture a guess that with the generous wall thickness, dense insulation, and double-skin interior, you will be able to make as much noise as you want and your neighbors won't hear a thing. lol Will your windows be triple-glazed for heat retention? Will you be adding window shutters too?
Your new toy/tool is very interesting to me even though I've never had the opportunity to learn how to use a lathe. Are there any (English) websites such as YouTube which show the Herbert 2D Capstan lathe in operation? The device on the right of the ways; is that a multiple tool turret for quick successive machine operations? Perhaps you may one day have the time (after the shop build), to create a thread here on GJ to show us its features, uses, and some of the things you have made using it. What are your plans for the beast when you put it to work?
Thanks for the great thread, and please keep us posted on your progress and projects!
Fixxer
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Härligt garage du verkar få till!
Like your lathe! I only got a realy realy small one at home..
But on work we got a complete CNC lathe, milling, lasercut workshop...
We moved to our house 4 weeks ago. 60square meter workshop in the basement and 25 garage, got permission to extend it to 45.. But the wife keeps saying we need a new kitchen and reedo? Renovate? (äääsch renovera!) one of the toilets first...
Vänliga hälsningar från södra sverige
Like your lathe! I only got a realy realy small one at home..
But on work we got a complete CNC lathe, milling, lasercut workshop...
We moved to our house 4 weeks ago. 60square meter workshop in the basement and 25 garage, got permission to extend it to 45.. But the wife keeps saying we need a new kitchen and reedo? Renovate? (äääsch renovera!) one of the toilets first...
Vänliga hälsningar från södra sverige
blownhemi
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Wow, just discovered this thread. What an amazing build.
I'll echo the comments already posted regarding the building requirements/styles in different countries. We don't require anything like that down here in Australia, but then again. We don't get much snow down here either.
Well done. I showed my wife and even she was impressed.
I'll echo the comments already posted regarding the building requirements/styles in different countries. We don't require anything like that down here in Australia, but then again. We don't get much snow down here either.
Well done. I showed my wife and even she was impressed.
Cadillac STS
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Nice lathe. You might think of making a one meter wide by 2 meter high shield to put behind the lathe at the wall right where the spindle spins and the tool touches the part. I've seen metal shields sitting in the drip tray to let any lube drip right back in the pan. It will throw any lubricant you might use on the wall, in time you will see a nice oil line in that path on the wall.
Use it little and it won't make as much of a mess. Use it lots and it will make more of a mess. Use it lots.
Use it little and it won't make as much of a mess. Use it lots and it will make more of a mess. Use it lots.
56rpm
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Very nice 1 man build! Love the lathe. Since you started building the walls with the sill plate 1st, how did you fasten the wall studs to the sill plate? Toe nailed or brackets?
4 nails each.Nice lathe. You might think of making a one meter wide by 2 meter high shield to put behind the lathe at the wall right where the spindle spins and the tool touches the part. I've seen metal shields sitting in the drip tray to let any lube drip right back in the pan. It will throw any lubricant you might use on the wall, in time you will see a nice oil line in that path on the wall.
Use it little and it won't make as much of a mess. Use it lots and it will make more of a mess. Use it lots.
great tip even if it's already on my todo list, i'm not a fan of cutting fluid ( because of the mess ) and i hate the black stripes any lubricant may leave on the wall.
There will be a metal sheet mounted and the lover end bent to direct any waste down to the chiptray.
Härligt garage du verkar få till!
Like your lathe! I only got a realy realy small one at home..
But on work we got a complete CNC lathe, milling, lasercut workshop...
We moved to our house 4 weeks ago. 60square meter workshop in the basement and 25 garage, got permission to extend it to 45.. But the wife keeps saying we need a new kitchen and reedo? Renovate? (äääsch renovera!) one of the toilets first...
Vänliga hälsningar från södra sverige
Tackar!
I know the feeling of the wife trying to set priority straight, it sux.
I had to wait 3 years from moving in to start my garagebuild.
Madmangus, I've just 'discovered your thread and would like to add my congratulations to you on the single-handed work you are doing. Impressive!
I would venture a guess that with the generous wall thickness, dense insulation, and double-skin interior, you will be able to make as much noise as you want and your neighbors won't hear a thing. lol Will your windows be triple-glazed for heat retention? Will you be adding window shutters too?
Your new toy/tool is very interesting to me even though I've never had the opportunity to learn how to use a lathe. Are there any (English) websites such as YouTube which show the Herbert 2D Capstan lathe in operation? The device on the right of the ways; is that a multiple tool turret for quick successive machine operations? Perhaps you may one day have the time (after the shop build), to create a thread here on GJ to show us its features, uses, and some of the things you have made using it. What are your plans for the beast when you put it to work?
Thanks for the great thread, and please keep us posted on your progress and projects!
Thank you for reading and your positive feedback makes it easier to continue, hopefully i can motivate someone in return.
I will definetly share my experience with my new lathe, i have lots to learn.
I'm very familiar with support lathes but capstan / turrets are still unexplored.
my machine is a bit of a hybrid and not a plain capstan so it can still do most "support" operations.
The mass production capabilities will be tested in time and you will be with me all the way i promise.
as for the windows i dont know yet but i,m looking for old fashion looking wood windows, (2 or 3 glass) they are realy expensive to buy new in the dimensions i want. hopefully i can find some used to renovate since im in no rush to get them in.
Lippyp
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Interesting that the label on the lathe is presumably in Swedish so it must have been made specifically for the export market, not something brought over later from the UK used.
That lathe is a great piece of machinery! Turret lathes were pretty common in production machine shops here in the US, but I haven't seen one quite like that. Really, what a beauty. And as Phil noted, it was obviously made for export- wonder what the story behind that is.
I't was originally imported to Sweden by a company called Lunden & Lindhe according to the plates, All machineplates are made by casted brass in swedish language, nothing cheap like todays stickers.
It also has a small plastic factory marking with the numbers 520.
Other than that i know nothing of the history
I have a lot of equipment for it and i'll try to upload photos today.
This week is the 1 year aniversary of my concrete floor 
huray!
Since it's summer i have to focus on outdoor work, painting and finishing touches here and there is time consuming (and booring )
I also had to redo the lawn because of the mess i made last year.
Enough with wood and dirt, let's talk about metal.
This is the pile of equipment i got with the Herbert.
Here is the air operated collet chuck with its static outer hull, since its big and heavy i'm looking for a replacement manual one instead.
Tapers and various tools in the white box to the left.
Heavy cutting tools with support rolls to be mounted in the turret and some original King-**** tools to the right.
I also bought a set of different turning tools, they are Swedish made Sandvik quality tools. I now have a setup of 5 different turningtools and one cut-of tool. Should be enough for now.
huray!Since it's summer i have to focus on outdoor work, painting and finishing touches here and there is time consuming (and booring )
I also had to redo the lawn because of the mess i made last year.
Enough with wood and dirt, let's talk about metal.
This is the pile of equipment i got with the Herbert.
Here is the air operated collet chuck with its static outer hull, since its big and heavy i'm looking for a replacement manual one instead.
Tapers and various tools in the white box to the left.
Heavy cutting tools with support rolls to be mounted in the turret and some original King-**** tools to the right.
I also bought a set of different turning tools, they are Swedish made Sandvik quality tools. I now have a setup of 5 different turningtools and one cut-of tool. Should be enough for now.
Great cache of tools- those collets are worth a bit... As you can probably tell from my avatar, I am into old British iron. Here's my lathe, a very early 50's vintage Myford Super 7 - not on the level of yours, but has a very good rep among model builders (for those who aren't sure, I'm not talking model airplanes).
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