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I already posted a part of this on the “MaxJax Installs: Post Here” thread. The problem is, who is going to read through countless pages of posts to find specific info?

This MaxJax install would be of particular interest to Porsche 993 owners because spacing and locating my MaxJax is based on that particular car and jack points. This thread goes into detail overkill, so sift through what interests you and skip the rest.


Which lift, scissors or two-post?
After a couple of years of going back and forth trying to decide between a scissors lift and a two-post lift, I went with the MaxJax Two Post Portable Lift. The MaxJax was chosen because I wanted unobstructed access to the bottom of the vehicles I would be working on. The lifts each have their advantages and disadvantages.


Either choice of lift would have had me do some concrete work.
A scissors lift is too tall to drive over, so it either needs to be placed below grade or driven over by placing 2 x 12 lumber where your track is. The advantage of a scissors lift is that the residential-grade concrete floor would be less of a concern. It along with the 2x12 lumber scenario is by far the easiest & quickest solution.

A two-post lift needs to be anchored into the concrete floor. I didn’t trust my residential-grade concrete floor enough to bet my life on it. And sure enough, after cutting my concrete slab, I am glad I didn’t.

Having decided upon the MaxJax two-post lift, I wanted to see one in action as well as their installation. For what I plan to do and the number of times a year I plan to use my lift, the MaxJax was perfect. As for a full sized two-post lift, another local Porsche 993 owner has one and I wasn't able to stand up straight under it.


MaxJax column spacing.
How far to set the columns apart? The MaxJax manual provides recommendations on column spacing, but I wanted to see how a 993 would fit best. To the outer edges of the MaxJax base plates, one local 993 owner had them at 120 inches apart and another local 993 owner had them at 132 inches apart. Having had the opportunity to measure the arm extensions of the MaxJax at the 132 inch column spacing, they were extended by ~50% with the 993 centered. I ended up choosing 130 inch spacing for my install.

Note, with 130 inch column spacing and with the 993's center-of-gravity point centered about the MaxJax column, the forward arm of the MaxJax is nearly fully extended and the rearward arm of the MaxJax is nearly fully retracted. If I had spaced the MaxJax columns further apart or closer together, that would not have been possible.


MaxJax column location – front to back.
I have a standard sized two-car garage measuring 269 inches deep. Not wanting to use the MaxJax column as a door stopper, I placed the MaxJax columns more towards the front of the garage or 104 inches from the front wall of the garage to the center of the MaxJax column.

With the 993 centered with respect to the MaxJax column, I have two feet from the front wall of the garage to the bumper.

Centering the 993 center-of-gravity-wise, I have a foot between the front wall of the garage and the bumper and lots of space behind the 993 for an engine/transmission extraction.

Based on the above, 993 owners can add to the 104-inch dimension to increase the space to the front wall of the garage.


MaxJax anchoring.
Not that I planned on using them, there seems to be some contradiction between the instructions in the MaxJax manual and the Wej-It Power Drop anchor instructions.

From the MaxJax manual: “The floor on which the lift is to be installed must be 4-¼ inch minimum thickness concrete, with a minimum compressive strength of 3000 psi, and reinforced with steel bar”. My concrete floor may have been 4-¼ inches thick...here and there, but I don’t know of any residential garage floors that are “reinforced with steel bar” unless it was an owner request prior to construction.

From the MaxJax manual: They state, “drill hole approximately 5½ inches deep”, yet my concrete slab only needs to be 4¼ inches thick?

The Wej-It Power Drop anchor instructions list other numbers again.


MaxJax custom anchoring.
The following is the method that I chose for anchoring; I'm not suggesting that anyone else use it though.

I wanted rods set into concrete that were internally threaded. Although my garage does not see water or winter salt, I chose to use 304L stainless steel because I didn’t want to worry about corrosion over time. 304L stainless steel machines and TIG welds easily. I also wanted larger base plates for the MaxJax columns to sit on.

304L stainless steel rod: 1.25” OD x 10.5” long, quantity 10.
Drilled and tapped for an M16-2.0 fastener to a fully threaded depth of 50 mm.

304L stainless steel plate: 18” x 18” x 3/8”, quantity 2.
Drilled for clearance holes for M16 fasteners.

A centerline was scribed on each stainless steel base plate for alignment purposes. Another line was scribed 2 inches in from the outside edge of the stainless steel base plate; the outside edge of the MaxJax column base plates would line up with that line.

The outside edge of the stainless steel base plates were placed 134 inches apart and aligned by running black fishing line along the edge of the stainless steel base plates.

The outside edge of the MaxJax column base plates were placed on the lines previously scribed 2 inches in from the outside edge of the stainless steel base plates. This placed the outside edge of the MaxJax column base plates 130 inches apart. The alignment of the MaxJax columns was verified by running black fishing line along the MaxJax column edges.

Once the MaxJax columns were lined up with respect to the stainless steel base plates, the boltholes in the MaxJax base were transferred to the stainless steel base plates for drilling.

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M16 bolts were used to hold the stainless steel rods to the stainless steel base plate for TIG welding. Shim stock was wrapped around the bolts to center the stainless steel rods with respect to the clearance holes in the stainless steel base plates.

The heads of the M16 bolts were drilled and tapped for a M8 bolts. This was done to suspend and level the plate assemblies. More on that later.

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Concrete slab preparation.
A 3’ x 12’ slab out of the existing garage floor was to be cut out.

I cut down a 3/4" 4'x 8' plywood sheet to 3', the width of the concrete slab in my garage that I was cutting out.

The plywood template was used as a guide for the Stihl cut-off saw with 14" diamond saw blade. The plywood template was then moved an additional 4 feet to get the 12 foot length needed for the cut concrete slab. In either position, the template was screwed down using TapCon concrete screws to hold it in place.

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A couple of bridges were built to get the car into the garage during construction.

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And the bridges seemed to have worked.

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While excavating, the crushed stone kept caving in which worked out for the good in that it created a cavity under the existing concrete floor for the poured concrete to flow under and lock into the existing slab better.

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After excavating down to a depth of 18 inches, the sloped sides of the excavated hole were coated with a 1-inch thin layer of concrete to keep the crush stone in place. 4 inches of crushed stone was put back, levelled and compacted for a finished depth of 14 inches.

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Suspending, levelling and alignment of the base plate assemblies.
The bolt heads of the bolts holding the stainless steel rods to the stainless steel base plates were drilled and tapped so that angle iron could be attached to the custom MaxJax plates.

The ends of the angle iron were drilled and tapped for a M6 bolt. These four bolts were used to suspend and level the plate assemblies within the cut out concrete slab.

Black fishing line was used to line up the centerlines previously scribed on the stainless steel base plates.

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Additional anchoring in the form of half-inch stainless steel rod was welded to the stainless steel rods.

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Ready for the concrete pour.
15 mm reinforcing bar was run between the stainless steel base plates and across the cut out slab.

15 mm rebar: 11.5 feet, quantity 4.
15 mm rebar: 4 feet, quantity 8.
32 MPa concrete: 2.5 cubic meters.

The four 11.5 foot lengths running between the MaxJax base plates were tied and 4 inches off the base of the excavation.

The eight 4 foot lengths were spaced across the cut slab and pulled up under the base of the cut slab as the concrete was poured.

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Burlap that was frequently wet down was used to prevent the concrete from drying too fast. This aided in strengthening the concrete as it cured for over 28 days.

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The end result due to planning.
Both MaxJax columns are perfectly lined up and level.

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Centered about the 993’s center of gravity...
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Thanks to those who helped me with my lift buying decision.
 

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The plate in the ground seems like a great idea. I would be a lot more confident bolting the posts into threaded steel rather than into concrete. Can you post a pic of the plates without the columns attached?
 
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Can you post a pic of the plates without the columns attached?

There are a few of the plates themselves in the first post unless you are looking for one with them set in concrete.

This is prior to scrubbing the poured slab and plates down with muriatic acid and a steel brush.

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Thanks, I only have 8ft ceilings so not sure any lift would work sadly.
 

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Wow...NICE job! :bowdown: I doubt THOSE will pull out...

I wish I had thought of that when I cut/poured my new footings for my MaxJax.
 
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Thanks, I only have 8ft ceilings so not sure any lift would work sadly.

If you have 45 inches or 48 inches from the top of your vehicle to the ceiling, the MaxJax will work.

All you have to do is make sure you don't open the garage door when the car is on the lift, but then that would apply in most cases when all you have is a regular sized garage.
 

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If you have 45 inches or 48 inches from the top of your vehicle to the ceiling, the MaxJax will work.

All you have to do is make sure you don't open the garage door when the car is on the lift, but then that would apply in most cases when all you have is a regular sized garage.



True, my truck I don't but the tC might have that clearance, isn't there posts that screw up through the top though?
 

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Man, that's one serious install. Well done.

I've seen full-sized two post lifts installed with less thought and reinforcement.

You'd have made a great Roman engineer. In two thousand years, some archaeologist is going to be scratching his head and wondering what the heck it was that you had mounted to that floor. :)
 

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My ceiling is 8'. Just completed my install of the MaxJax. This thing is solid!!:3gears:

How do you deal with the (piston) coming out the top when you raise the car? I mean is it going up through your ceiling or what?
 

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How do you deal with the (piston) coming out the top when you raise the car? I mean is it going up through your ceiling or what?

The piston only goes up a couple feet beyond the top of the post. Look at the pic of his car lifted up to give you an idea.
 

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Did you have an engineer design the footings or have MaxJax provide you the specs on your new poured pad? I'd be surprised that this set-up can withstand the forward/backward moments around the posts without pinning to the old slab.
 
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How do you deal with the (piston) coming out the top when you raise the car? I mean is it going up through your ceiling or what?

According to the MaxJax specifications, overall height is 89 inches...under 8 feet.

I could confirm that the next time I use my lift.
 
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Did you have an engineer design the footings or have MaxJax provide you the specs on your new poured pad?

No. The slab is already thicker than the minimum specified by MaxJax; over 3 times thicker.


I'd be surprised that this set-up can withstand the forward/backward moments around the posts without pinning to the old slab.

That is what the 8 pieces of 15 mm rebar that went across the slab were for. They go under the existing slab; so does the poured concrete.

Besides, my car is centered about the C of G. There is no fore or aft moment, just inward.

Even MaxJax is confused regarding the floor requirements.

On-line they state the following...
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Then in the MaxJax Instruction Manual that comes with the lift, they state the following (note the requirement regarding the steel bar that isn't mentioned on line)...
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That is one seriously overkill lift install... I doubt you'll have any problems with that.

In regards to the concerns over a fore/aft moment and the new slab... that concrete is at least 2x thicker (if not 3x) than that required by the manufacturer, its not going anywhere even without all the extra rebar.

Just a friendly word of advice, 304L is very soft (hence why its so easy to machine) and can be suceptable to galling. Be sure to use some sort of anti-sieze lubricant on your hold-down bolts so you don't get to oversize and re-tap those in the future. Just use reglar steel (zinc plated) fasteners too... using stainless fasteners will virtually guarantee a galling problem.
 
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Just a friendly word of advice, 304L is very soft (hence why its so easy to machine) and can be suceptable to galling. Be sure to use some sort of anti-sieze lubricant on your hold-down bolts.

Already done. ;)

Just use regular steel (zinc plated) fasteners too... using stainless fasteners will virtually guarantee a galling problem.

Already did that as well. ;) Having used lots of stainless steel in the past, I have learned what to use where. The material can be a nightmare at times.

I used zinc plated socket head cap screws, M16-2.0, 12.9 grade. I ran each one by hand into the rod that I threaded to make sure they didn't bind due to uneven plating. Those that did bind slightly, I ran an adjustable die over the threads by hand.

The rods were threaded using a quality OSG tap in a lathe. It cut like butter.
 

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No. The slab is already thicker than the minimum specified by MaxJax; over 3 times thicker.

I'd recommend consulting a licensed structural engineer or the manufacturer before working under the car. The system you have is much more stable side-to-side, than front to back.

The 3" thickness of concrete spec. is not due to the weight of the car and lift. If you think about it, concrete is very strong (compression) in the vertical direction that the weight of the car normally acts. If the total area of the post's base plates equal the total area of your tires' contact patches, then even a very thin concrete slab will see absolutely no increase in loading when the car is on the lift vs. parked on the slab. (If the lift's base plates are larger than the contact patch, the slab will actually see less compression and vertical loading when its in use.)

The 3" concrete thickness is specified due to the bending that the slab sees when using a two post lift. Unless the load is 100% perfectly balanced on the posts, they will want to rotate forward or backward around the point where the post meets the slab. (The more off-center the load is and the further the center of gravity is from the slab, the greater this bending.) The two post lift and slab (looking at a cross section from the side) form an upside-down "T" shape to resist this bending.

When a "footer" is cut in to the slab for a 2 post lift, it cuts the legs off of that upside-down "T" and takes away the slab's ability to resist the tipping/bending that the lift sees. (So if there is enough enough force due to the load, or someone were to nudge the car hard, or there was an earthquake, etc. the posts could rotate and the footers could rip out of the ground.)

It is possible to cut a slab and pour smaller pads to support a two post lift, but an engineer will typically specify one of the following methods to handle the operating range of the lift:
- A pad with dimensions large enough to resist tipping and restore that upside-down T profile of the slab to post connection.
- A deep footer that uses the forces on the ground around the footer to keep it upright. (The lift posts then become like a telephone pole sunk deep in to the ground.)
- Pins epoxied in to the old slab, tying it to the new pad, so the forces are extended outward to the old slab to help resist tipping.
- A pad that is "keyed" under the existing larger slab, which use the larger slab to resist tipping.
 
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The system you have is much more stable side-to-side, than front to back.

I guess you didn't read my reply in its entirety.

I wasn't worried about thickness, not unless I was using the MaxJax supplied anchors. I'd be far more worried using those anchors in 4 inch concrete that isn't reinforced.

And the car is balanced on the C of G, so where are those fore and aft moments?
 
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I guess you didn't read my reply in its entirety.

I wasn't worried about thickness, not unless I was using the MaxJax supplied anchors. I'd be far more worried using those anchors in 4 inch concrete that isn't reinforced.

And the car is balanced on the C of G, so where are those fore and aft moments?

My comments on thickness were oriented towards resisting the fore and aft moments. Your commentary on the instructions was right on:
- The pieces about requirements and drill holes are confusing, especially since their picture shows a slab over 5 1/2".
- Floating slabs are not reinforced for strength but for shrinkage cracks. (Reinforcement in concrete is pointless unless it is in certain locations, so they must be after combating crack in the slab.)


I suppose it depends on what you are doing with the lift. You could perfectly center the load on between the posts, but if you take equipment off the car, drop a transmission, etc. then the fore and aft moments show up.
 

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sub'd, looks well thought out, but I'm only an armchair engineer. Have you considered raising the tracks of your garage door to the ceiling and using a sidemount door opener? I have 12 foot ceilings in my garage as well and I'm thinking about that for the day my wife hits the garage door button when my future lift is up.
 

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Not pinning the new slab to the old goes way against what i was learned in school/field. The way i see it you made a counterweight. Any change in CG could be dangerous. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Not pinning the new slab to the old goes way against what i was learned in school/field. The way i see it you made a counterweight. Any change in CG could be dangerous. Just my 2 cents.

Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see. ;)

I'm just curious how what you suggest differs from the rebar that ran across and under the existing slab. A counterweight as you suggest might be the case if the whole pour just sat above ground on a slab without being locked into anything. As the engineer from work who came to help during the pour said (and laughed), OMG, this isn't going anywhere.

I'd be more worried about the MaxJax failing.
 

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Im not trying to be a jerk at all. But if the columns were to tilt for or aft the rebar would be weak in the way it is installed. If you pinned the new slab one side of the rebar would be in compression and the other in tension. Rebar is pretty strong in tension. Im not saying what you did was wrong its just different than how ive been taught.
 

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I think that what In My Garage did is by far more of what Dannmar suggests in a typical Maxjax installation. And probably far more better that the installation we all Maxjax owners and users did.
Wssix99 and caymaha 2007 may be correct and well concerned, but for gods sake ! We are anchoring and lifting a 4000 lbs car not the space shuttle !!

About a failure I am more concerned about an hydraulic failure than an structural one. That is why I always use the mechanical safety stops. And that is why I did extra holes in the columns for additional height options and never depend on the chineese hoses....
 

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I'm just curious how what you suggest differs from the rebar that ran across and under the existing slab. A counterweight as you suggest might be the case if the whole pour just sat above ground on a slab without being locked into anything. As the engineer from work who came to help during the pour said (and laughed), OMG, this isn't going anywhere.

Your arrangement "keys" the footer underneath the slab a bit. A pinning system ties the footer in to the original slab and allows them to work as a single system. You'll see this method used on highways a lot to tie patches and multiple slabs in to each other:

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Keyed systems will work to accomplish the same thing, but in this arrangement an engineer would need to run the calculations to see how strong it is, particularly with the sloped sides of the hole. (Vertical sides would be stronger in this application.)

Since the pieces of rebar are pulled underneath the existing slab, they add minimal strength to the arrangement. Rebar is placed in reinforced concrete to take up tension in the material. In order to do this effectively, the rebar needs to be enveloped by the concrete so that it locks in to the ribs in the rebar. If the rebar is touching the slab above its not making full purchase in the material its supposed to reinforce.


As the engineer from work who came to help during the pour said (and laughed), OMG, this isn't going anywhere.

I'm curious as to what kind of engineer this person is and if they have studded reinforced concrete?


Wssix99 and caymaha 2007 may be correct and well concerned, but for gods sake ! We are anchoring and lifting a 4000 lbs car not the space shuttle !!

Looking at the numbers, we have a 4000 lb load raised in the air, spread across 14.5 horizontal feet that is counter-balanced by a 6000 lb (probably conservative) mass of concrete concentrated across 3 horizontal feet. Depending on the strength of the keyed sections and the strength of the soil below the footer, the arrangement could be like balancing a pencil in the palm of one's hand. In a perfectly balanced system, this works out well, but even a small eccentric load will concentrate the load on a smaller "patch" of dirt under the footer, causing one side to sink in to the dirt, and allowing the system to tip.

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The lift manufacturers give specs for flat concrete slabs because the stability with the inverted "T" is very straight forward. Given a simple un-reinforced slab, with a certain strength and thickness, it is very easy to come up with a reliable factor of safety for any installed location.

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For a "footer" type of installation, there are many more variables to account for. In addition to dimensions and concrete strength; reinforcement, ground pressures, and massing all must be taken in to account. This is why these options won't be discussed in a lift manufacturers instructions. (In addition to installations for more complex post-tensioned or elevated slabs.)

I'm not saying that these alternate methods are unsafe or can't be used. I'm just saying that people should have a licensed and insured engineer confirm the design. The installation in this thread may be fine for a Porsche that is kept perfectly balanced on the lift. But if the next guy comes along and tries to use the actual lift or a similar design for a pickup truck, it might not work out so well.
 
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Another simple mod to take care of an annoyance.

Some or most garages have a slope to them to allow for drainage.

With the MaxJax columns installed vertically as they should be, one of the fully lowered lift arms will make contact with the garage floor when they are stored in the longitudinal position. Without lifting the lift a tad, it makes swinging out the lift arms very difficult if not impossible. Besides, why scrape the paint on the MaxJax.

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The solution is to prevent the lift head from fully lowering to its stop. The following simple modification shown, prevents this.

I had two 5" x 5" pieces cut from a 1.5" thick Tivar 1000 plate. The thickness of the plate will be determined by the slope in the garage; I could have also used a 1.25" thick plate.

A 1.5" diameter hole was cut 3" from one edge. Leading to the hole, a 1" wide channel was cut from the same edge to the hole. The channel allows space for the hydraulic fittings and should be sized for the hydraulic fittings used.

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A 45 degree chamfer (0.375" x 0.375") was cut along the sides and back (the edge along the closed end of the column) of the bottom of the plate. This allows the plates to clear any bead of weld in the structure (the inside back side of the column does not have a bead, but just in case)

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The following photos show the block in place...

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After trying a few lubricants in the tracks of my MaxJax, I think I've come across the perfect one; Liquid Wrench Dry Lubricant.

I used white grease the first time, but wet lubricants attract dirt and dust, and even though I have slip-on covers for my MaxJax columns, I really wanted to use a dry lube.

This product leaves a white powdery residue. To spray the insides of the columns, I used a heat gun to put a J shape into the plastic nozzle.

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I wonder if that's similar to Remington's Rem-Dri gun lube. I'll have to compare the ingredients. It's probably cheaper than the Rem-Dri if it is the same stuff.
 
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