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I always liked the term mechanic. I'm a network administrator by title, but you could also call me an IT technician, computer guy, or 'hey you'

Heck, the new Porsche dealer near my house calls their service area a 'Porsche Laboratory'
 
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So, what do you call someone who is or was:
1) a certified auto mechanic,
2) qualified aircraft jet engine mechanic,
3) not only computer literate, but designs them
4) industrial electrician
5) rough and finish carpenter
6) working with 18 Ghz stuff and knows phase matching
7) can still build with and understand vacuum tubes
8) understands what modern computer power does for radar
9) worked the plumbing and hvac and welding trades
10) author
11) too much more to list....

Jack of all trades? Or, master of none? Some?


braggart...........j/k........:beer:

impressive resume , especially the vacuum tubes..........i have trouble restting the clocks for dst.........
 

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So, what do you call someone who is or was:
1) a certified auto mechanic,
2) qualified aircraft jet engine mechanic,
3) not only computer literate, but designs them
4) industrial electrician
5) rough and finish carpenter
6) working with 18 Ghz stuff and knows phase matching
7) can still build with and understand vacuum tubes
8) understands what modern computer power does for radar
9) worked the plumbing and hvac and welding trades
10) author
11) too much more to list....

Jack of all trades? Or, master of none? Some?

Someone having to much fun and someone who still needs to figure out what he wants to do when he grows up. Someone like me. Kinda like a kid who has spent 30 years playing with a multimillion dollar Erector Set.

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It is interesting how the definition of words change with popular usage. In the original meaning of the word, a mechanic is one who understands the entire mechanical system from concept, to design, prototype, production and maintenance. A mechanic is not a parts changer, but a well-rounded master of machines. In the purest form of the word, engineering is a dicipline of the mechanic, as is machining and the maintenance of machines.

A technician, on the other hand, is one who specializes. There are medical technicians, elevator technicians, lab technicians and obviously car technicians. A technician is a specialist at one small portion of an entire system, whereas a mechanic has a broad understanding of the entire system.

To bolster that assertion, here's what Webster's Dictionary has to say:

Technician: Specialist in the technical details of a subject or occupation.

Mechanic: An artisan. A machinst or one who repairs machines.

Before engineering was recognized as a profession, those who engaged in the science of designing machines were called mechanics. Mechanics generally not only designed the machines but were equally well versed in the making of them. James Watt was one such mechanic and reading books written a when he was alive, he was called variously a mechanic or an inventor. Those who ran his steam engines were called engineers as defined by Samuel Johnson's "A Dictionary of The English Language" published in 1767.

To get a better idea of who a mechanic was, in the truest meaning of the word, I recommend reading "Memoirs of the Most Eminent American Mechanics" by Henry Howe, published in 1840. The "engineers" of the Industrial Revolution were not called engineers back then, but mechanics.

This - in regards to Automotive repair, with the added caveat of the higher level of Master Mechanic. A "real" mechanic can diagnose what is wrong using observation and their brain. A technician may not be able to manage that on a consistent basis. This exactly why all these machines were designed was to fill the gap for technicians that could not consistently diagnose an issue. To me the most important skill a mechanic has is the ability to diagnose what is wrong, I.E. use their brain.

I dislike the term Technician automotively, as it indicates a specialist, and to me implies a R&R guy. Some machine tells you what is wrong, and you replace it. rebuild a part (Alt, carb, pump...)? heaven forbid!

I know the language is "Progressing" but not necessarily for the better...

Give me an old school Master Mech any day over a wall of certificates.
 

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I see technician as being a combination of mechanic and a little bit of engineer. My job description is Test Technician and I work with construction equipment product engineering and validation. I have to set up test stands, monitoring systems and equipment, etc. Lots of computer work and math whereas with my own vehicles, I'm a mechanic. Diagnostics and parts changing/repairing.

Me too, I work in automotive but the same job description pretty much applies. the only thing I might add is building test machines from scratch. Although you probably do that too.:thumbup:
 

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Steve Matchett, a mechanic's mechanic, had a storied career in Formula One. I read through his entire BIO and have read all three of his books. I never once saw the term, "technician" being used anywhere.

I believe that "mechanic" is a term of respect and endearment. "Former mechanic" for World Champion Michael Schumacher's Benetton team sounds much more impressive than "Former technician" any day of the week to me.

I saw a former high school teacher and coach at a reunion. I called him Coach Smith and he smiled broadly while other were calling him by his first name or Mr. Smith. The point is, anyone who has coached sports is endeared to their players as "coach" which is the highest form of respect. Bill Walsh, one of the greatest football coaches of all time, is still referred to as Coach Walsh by many of his ex-players. I feel "mechanic" is also in this category. "Technician" sounds too politically correct to me.
 

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This - in regards to Automotive repair, with the added caveat of the higher level of Master Mechanic. A "real" mechanic can diagnose what is wrong using observation and their brain. A technician may not be able to manage that on a consistent basis. This exactly why all these machines were designed was to fill the gap for technicians that could not consistently diagnose an issue. To me the most important skill a mechanic has is the ability to diagnose what is wrong, I.E. use their brain.

I dislike the term Technician automotively, as it indicates a specialist, and to me implies a R&R guy. Some machine tells you what is wrong, and you replace it. rebuild a part (Alt, carb, pump...)? heaven forbid!

I know the language is "Progressing" but not necessarily for the better...

Give me an old school Master Mech any day over a wall of certificates.

I find it hard to buy the above on face value. I realize it is your opinion but I want to respond to it a bit.

The last time I earned a paycheck as a mechanic working autos/trucks was in the mid 70's. I went on to get a electronics degree and spent my working career as a tech in a manufacturing facility. When I started in manufacturing I worked a lot on pure pneumatic machines that had pneumatic logic on them. As time went by the machines became more complicated and computer controlled. I went from using a pressure guage to oscilloscopes, envelope delay analyzers, and state machines to troubleshoot problems in the machines.

In that time I also played a lot with hotrods and a lot of repair work on them. It went from setting the point gap with a feeler gauge, to a dwell meter, to the scopes, analyzers, and code readers of today. In both the fields industrial or auto the tools for trouble shooting have changed and increased in complexity as the units being repaired have increased in complexity.

But at the end of the day the person using the tools is the one who has to fix the problem. If the person using the tool does not truly know and understand the unit under repair then the sophistication of the tool is of no use. Back in the day my father used to refer to some as ‘spark plug mechanics’. Whatever was wrong they replaced the sparkplugs. If that didn’t fix it they were lost. Today boy wonder sees a code and replaces the part. Neither of the two does not know what the hell makes the problem happen. A good old fashioned mechanic or any repairman will use the tools appropriate to the job at hand. The old mechanic is not going to be able hold a screwdriver to his ear and listen to the modern motor and hear a computer problem. The old manual machinist will fail of you stand him in front of a modern CNC machine. Times change and the skills needed change along with them. So today I want a good mechanic that is up to date on current rigs if that is what I need fixed. One of the kids I had in scouts is now a mechanic. He will bring the necessary readers to my house and diagnose problems if I need. I will then do the grunt work.

I got out of the auto mechanics field because I figured out quick that it was about 5% thinking and trouble shooting and 95% manual labor to replace/fix the problem. In the industrial job at least the machines were in air-conditioned rooms with pretty good looking operators to keep life nice. The industrial job kept my hands in the mechanics but allowed me to do a lot of inventing and creative repairs. I once was a pretty good auto mechanic, but time has passed me by and I did not keep up with all the modern electronic systems in the rigs.

So whether one is a mechanic or a tech it still goes to the bottom line, will the problem be solved and the rig returned to the road in the condition it was designed to or better.

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That sounded an awful lot like we are in agreement... :headscrat

I find it hard to buy the above on face value. I realize it is your opinion but I want to respond to it a bit.

The last time I earned a paycheck as a mechanic working autos/trucks was in the mid 70's. I went on to get a electronics degree and spent my working career as a tech in a manufacturing facility. When I started in manufacturing I worked a lot on pure pneumatic machines that had pneumatic logic on them. As time went by the machines became more complicated and computer controlled. I went from using a pressure guage to oscilloscopes, envelope delay analyzers, and state machines to troubleshoot problems in the machines.

In that time I also played a lot with hotrods and a lot of repair work on them. It went from setting the point gap with a feeler gauge, to a dwell meter, to the scopes, analyzers, and code readers of today. In both the fields industrial or auto the tools for trouble shooting have changed and increased in complexity as the units being repaired have increased in complexity.

But at the end of the day the person using the tools is the one who has to fix the problem. If the person using the tool does not truly know and understand the unit under repair then the sophistication of the tool is of no use. Back in the day my father used to refer to some as ‘spark plug mechanics’. Whatever was wrong they replaced the sparkplugs. If that didn’t fix it they were lost. Today boy wonder sees a code and replaces the part. Neither of the two does not know what the hell makes the problem happen. A good old fashioned mechanic or any repairman will use the tools appropriate to the job at hand. The old mechanic is not going to be able hold a screwdriver to his ear and listen to the modern motor and hear a computer problem. The old manual machinist will fail of you stand him in front of a modern CNC machine. Times change and the skills needed change along with them. So today I want a good mechanic that is up to date on current rigs if that is what I need fixed. One of the kids I had in scouts is now a mechanic. He will bring the necessary readers to my house and diagnose problems if I need. I will then do the grunt work.

I got out of the auto mechanics field because I figured out quick that it was about 5% thinking and trouble shooting and 95% manual labor to replace/fix the problem. In the industrial job at least the machines were in air-conditioned rooms with pretty good looking operators to keep life nice. The industrial job kept my hands in the mechanics but allowed me to do a lot of inventing and creative repairs. I once was a pretty good auto mechanic, but time has passed me by and I did not keep up with all the modern electronic systems in the rigs.

So whether one is a mechanic or a tech it still goes to the bottom line, will the problem be solved and the rig returned to the road in the condition it was designed to or better.

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It is interesting how the definition of words change with popular usage. In the original meaning of the word, a mechanic is one who understands the entire mechanical system from concept, to design, prototype, production and maintenance. A mechanic is not a parts changer, but a well-rounded master of machines. In the purest form of the word, engineering is a dicipline of the mechanic, as is machining and the maintenance of machines.

A technician, on the other hand, is one who specializes. There are medical technicians, elevator technicians, lab technicians and obviously car technicians. A technician is a specialist at one small portion of an entire system, whereas a mechanic has a broad understanding of the entire system.

To bolster that assertion, here's what Webster's Dictionary has to say:

Technician: Specialist in the technical details of a subject or occupation.

Mechanic: An artisan. A machinst or one who repairs machines.

Before engineering was recognized as a profession, those who engaged in the science of designing machines were called mechanics. Mechanics generally not only designed the machines but were equally well versed in the making of them. James Watt was one such mechanic and reading books written a when he was alive, he was called variously a mechanic or an inventor. Those who ran his steam engines were called engineers as defined by Samuel Johnson's "A Dictionary of The English Language" published in 1767.

To get a better idea of who a mechanic was, in the truest meaning of the word, I recommend reading "Memoirs of the Most Eminent American Mechanics" by Henry Howe, published in 1840. The "engineers" of the Industrial Revolution were not called engineers back then, but mechanics.


:thumbup:

There was a time when the title Master Mechanic (my Grandfather's title at Goodyear Aircraft Company) was recognition of a persons ability and technical achievement. Today, we use many titles without respecting their original meaning. For example, Medical Assistants referring to themselves as Nurses (six months vocational training versus 2 to 4 year university degree + rigorous professional licensing).
 

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That sounded an awful lot like we are in agreement... :headscrat

Oh we are, I just got hung up on your wanting an "old school Master Mech". Thats a lot like me, old master, but you really don't want me near your modern car. Yesterday I went to put the old crawler in the shed and found the gasket in the sediment bowl dried and shrunk. I just went to the shop and cut a new gasket. How many here work with sediment bowls and have the skills, tools and materials in the shop to make proper gaskets. Old technology but it works for me.

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Interesting topic,

I see the division is generational mostly; I am of that age where Mechanic is the preferred title, I think of technicians as mechanics lite.

Several people have hit on the broad base of knowledge and skill a mechanic should have and that includes ALL of the areas a technician studies and so much more. I have never considered myself a technician but I have designed electronic controls for newer automobiles, developed fuel systems and made unique parts with machine tools as a mechanic. I don't have a degree in engineering however many of my clients in Europe call me an engineer? I find mechanic / engineer far more descriptive of principal than technician which I equate to an assistant.

If you were out in the middle of nowhere stuck with no resources, would you rather have a technician or a mechanic come to your aid?

Steve
 

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All I know is that in most companies that deal with "service" work, there is no such thing as a Mechanic anymore. They are Technicians.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned "Grease Monkey" yet...who wants to be called that? I suspect Mechanic will be the same soon.
 

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Interesting topic,

I see the division is generational mostly; I am of that age where Mechanic is the preferred title, ....(deleted).

I agree
Several people have hit on the broad base of knowledge and skill a mechanic should have and that includes ALL of the areas a technician studies and so much more. I have never considered myself a technician but I have designed electronic controls for newer automobiles, developed fuel systems and made unique parts with machine tools as a mechanic. I don't have a degree in engineering however many of my clients in Europe call me an engineer? I find mechanic / engineer far more descriptive of principal than technician which I equate to an assistant.

So not being an engineer, what did your employer classify you as? I did a lot of the same stuff outside the auto industry and was call a technician.

If you were out in the middle of nowhere stuck with no resources, would you rather have a technician or a mechanic come to your aid?

A tow truck driver...;)





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Another difference is mechanics fix/maintain anything & everything. However we have "front end alignment technicians" who can't change a set of brake pads, transmission techs who can't tune a carb, top end techs who can't change a pan gasket etc etc. When I hear "technician" I think of someone who isn't much ******** use at all... but they have a bunch of ASE wallpaper that shows customers that he can memorize answers & take a test..
 

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Another difference is mechanics fix/maintain anything & everything. However we have "front end alignment technicians" who can't change a set of brake pads, transmission techs who can't tune a carb, top end techs who can't change a pan gasket etc etc. When I hear "technician" I think of someone who isn't much ******** use at all... but they have a bunch of ASE wallpaper that shows customers that he can memorize answers & take a test..

Yep, what the schools currently turn out are "technicians" it takes years of experience to become a mechanic.

All this BS about needing high tech titles is a load, and its the same load as when they stated calling janitors and garbage men "sanitation engineers"
 

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That poor Volvo is NEVER going to be the same again!

:lol:

Those! Lucky me, i'm in a Volvo main dealer this week.

Maybe the difference between a mechanic and a technician is the amount of paperwork they need to do. I don't know how anyone gets any work done when you seem to spend all day filling out forms, job sheets, vehile reports, work orders and repair advisories, etc. I spent more time today on pointless paperwork than i did fixing the 5 damn cars!
 
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Yep, what the schools currently turn out are "technicians" it takes years of experience to become a mechanic.

All this BS about needing high tech titles is a load, and its the same load as when they stated calling janitors and garbage men "sanitation engineers"

I think you make a very good point outlaw, I was trained the good old fashioned "baptism by fire" way, with some formal schooling once a year at our factory. I have found that all these kids coming out of diesel school are seriously misinformed about what it is they will actually be doing in the field. Ive watched a few of them get so frustrated because whatever it was didnt come apart/going together as easy as it did in school. A lot of them realize how much hard work it takes to be a mechanic and say **** it in the first couple years. This is why I have wanted to go to school for some time now but am not sure what I will actually get out of it for my money besides a piece of paper. Is this the difference between mechanic and technician? A certificate/degree?
 
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Larry G asks,

"So not being an engineer, what did your employer classify you as? I did a lot of the same stuff outside the auto industry and was call a technician."

Larry,

They called me Vice President- Director of R&D

The English language is always evolving; a few centuries age surgeons and barbers were facing the same issue. I think people of the older generations perceive technician to be title of limited scope vs a mechanic with a wider range of skills.

The euphemism technician has become the defacto title for every blue collar job short of peon. It greatly diminishes the luster of the title when you have fried food technicians or auto appearance technicians in lieu of fry cooks and lot porters. Everybody wants to be "special" today.

As Larry mentioned in an earlier post the specialization has taken the skills of a master and broken them down into small bits to be performed by lessor skilled " technicians" Automation and material science has changed many jobs in the last 30 years and I suppose the names or titles of these jobs has changed as well. Few people today even strive to become masters of their craft, it is a lot of work and, requires devotion and passion many do not have as character traits.

Steve
 

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Larry G asks,

"So not being an engineer, what did your employer classify you as? I did a lot of the same stuff outside the auto industry and was call a technician."

Larry,

They called me Vice President- Director of R&D

The English language is always evolving; a few centuries age surgeons and barbers were facing the same issue. I think people of the older generations perceive technician to be title of limited scope vs a mechanic with a wider range of skills.

The euphemism technician has become the defacto title for every blue collar job short of peon. It greatly diminishes the luster of the title when you have fried food technicians or auto appearance technicians in lieu of fry cooks and lot porters. Everybody wants to be "special" today.

As Larry mentioned in an earlier post the specialization has taken the skills of a master and broken them down into small bits to be performed by lessor skilled " technicians" Automation and material science has changed many jobs in the last 30 years and I suppose the names or titles of these jobs has changed as well. Few people today even strive to become masters of their craft, it is a lot of work and, requires devotion and passion many do not have as character traits.

Steve

I think this is a very important element of the discussion. In the purely automotive world, the name tech makes sense because the worker has evolved from a more simple parts changer with limited tools and diagnostic skills needed. But everywhere else in the workforce you have titles like "cleaning technician" aka "Janitor" watering down the "automotive technicians" titles significance.
 

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Geez, I always liked the term "Grease Monkey". :D I would classify myself as a mechanic. I never received the proper training to become a "technician" :D. When I was in the Army, my official MOS or job was as follows: 63 Bravo-20- Light Wheel Vehicle MECHANIC-level 20. Whichj meant I could do Unit level maintenance and Support level maintenance.
 

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I think this is a very important element of the discussion. In the purely automotive world, the name tech makes sense because the worker has evolved from a more simple parts changer with limited tools and diagnostic skills needed.
So you're saying a technician is actually just a lowly apprentice? That makes sense :thumbup:
 

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heh; my paychecks say automotive technician; insurance says im a mechanic and i tell my friends im a **** star waiting for my big break
srsly tho im a friggin shade tree, grease monkey, wrench spinning hack; all i ever was and will be
its just a title i dont care a bit; was cool being called a mechanic, when people ask that is what i say; kinda cool being a tech.
i can do alot with cars; more than some and less than alot. ive been called good and bad. ive pulled an engine with a tree and rebuilt it in my garage and ive installed 6000$ rebuilt engines. i use a scope, scan tool, volt meter, tachometer, dwellmeter and a milliong other tricks
im in this job because its interesting and a new challenge everyday; i dont care what the hell you call me
also i got my start as an intern for sports medicine .....turns out i have a sweet tooth for diagnostics
 

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here is one for you.

today im at work and i get a phone call from the owner's niece almost in tears. She is over 600 miles away at college. No indy garage will touch her vw to do an oil change. She takes it to the dealer. i preferred the dealer over a lube chain. pay more--but you should get a better job.

At the dealer, they tell her she needs a water pump--hers is bad. while in there, they will do timing belt. Total cost over 1k+.

Problem is, i did all these items 3k miles ago. this is the 1st oil change due since she left for school-- as i changed oil too. Now it is possible the pump i put on is defective--**** happens. However, i use oem vw water pumps. I do not use aftermarket water pumps. I call up and talk to service writer--mind you never mentioning i work on cars for a living.

The service manager tells me it has a code pxxxx. I ask him for the oem/vag code. This takes him back. he gives it to me. I asked for it merely b/c i dont rememebr p codes well, but my vag codes i know being thats mostly what i work in. he tells it to me.

The code is for a coolant temp sensor being faulty. I tell him that is a faulty coolant temp sensor code--nothing that denotes a failed water pump. I ask if the car is over heating or puking out coolant-- nothing of that nature. even if car were overheating--i woudlnt get that fault code. If t-stat were stuck, i would have gotten a cooling system malfunction code and either overheat or no heat.

vw's are notorious for bad coolant temp sensors. $28 part and 1/2 labor at the dealer plus diagnostic. my cost on the part-- less than 10 bucks from one of my suppliers. hell, even the flow chart on the factory service manual tells you how to trouble shoot this code and it doesnt mention r&r of a water pump.

I ask if the temp sensor was checked out to be functioning right. He says "oh yes". I ask if they bothered to look at the belt/pump--again, says yes. I then ask if he could explain to me how a faulty coolant temp sensor code denotes a bad waterpump. he couldnt. thats when i let him in on the fact of what i did for a living and the work performed less than 3k miles ago. I then explained my thoughts on what was wrong and why. Again, i did it nicely and told him im not there to look at the car. yet what you are telling me over the phone does not add up.

Before i was off the phone, i was told the temp sensor would be changed and no labor to do so--just the diagnostic labor they had into car so far.

Mind you--at no point did they want to or mention to r&r temp sensor! i dont know if they were going to eat the part and fix it but try and get the big ticket job or what...

so yeah-- if a "technician" is into misdiagnosing and ripping people off, and a mechanic is deemed as a sloth-- then what do we call people who are honest and take pride in their work?
 

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Another topic someone has failed to mention is why technicians change the whole part as opposed to rebuilding. Well when the price to to overhaul a component exceeds the price of a brand new part I would much rather have the brand new part. Thats why we now change components as a whole.
 

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simple put..a mechanic can replace parts a technichian know WHY he replaces those parts. ..end of story.
 

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Another topic someone has failed to mention is why technicians change the whole part as opposed to rebuilding. Well when the price to to overhaul a component exceeds the price of a brand new part I would much rather have the brand new part. Thats why we now change components as a whole.

I can get starters etc rebuilt for less than the price of a new one.
 

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In the industrial world, a mechanic would be a machinery repairman, a technician would usually work on electromechanical assembly, automation, and monitoring.

Alternatively, an "engineering technician" is a fancy name for someone who was too lazy to get an engineering degree, but still knows their **** (me).
 

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I think there are regional distinctions to the terms. Here a "mechanic" is the guy with the diagnostic skills and the thorough understanding of the machinery he is working on. "Technicians" are the parts changers or "slaughterhouse" guys.

In the old days here there were 2 classifications of "mechanic", 2 classifications of "repairmen" and then "helpers".
 

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simple put..a mechanic can replace parts a technichian know WHY he replaces those parts. ..end of story.

Maybe the end of story for you. To others a mechanic knows why he's changing a part out, the tech was told to by a computer. See, computers really are going to rule the earth... :lol_hitti
 

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I think there are regional distinctions to the terms. Here a "mechanic" is the guy with the diagnostic skills and the thorough understanding of the machinery he is working on. "Technicians" are the parts changers or "slaughterhouse" guys.

In the old days here there were 2 classifications of "mechanic", 2 classifications of "repairmen" and then "helpers".

I'm thinking its less regional and more to do with dealership mentality vs. independent service center, as well as generational differences as has been mentioned before.

One thing I do know is too much specialization is not good, and sometimes the specialists can't see the forest for the trees.

Had a neighbor who was watching me build up a friends 2WD 59 ford truck into a 4wd, and we were discussing how I had to have the weight of the engine in before I set the caster on the axle. Mike, the neighbor who was a Brakes and Alignment guy, stated categorically that you can/t set anything except the toe on the solid beam 4x4 axles.

I went next door to my garage and came back with a couple of 4 degree shims and handed them to him; the look on his face as he realized what they were for was priceless. Then he proceeded to tell us "well that might work but you still can't set the camber unless you put the axle into a press."

I explained to him that tapered shims were available for minor camber corrections for the wheel spindle to steering knuckle, and his jaw was on the ground.

Mind you, Mike was a fully certified ASE brake and alignment guy. He simply had never been exposed to many 4x4's...
 

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Good point there. I had forgotten about the incident where I asked a FORD DEALER SERVICE DEPARTMENT how much it would cost to change the C-bushings on my Bronco (in addition to terminal laziness I was nursing a broken wrist). Not one guy in the whole shop had a clue what in the hell a C-bushing even was, much less how to change them.

I ended up paying a neighbor kid to do it while I sat and "supervised" (drank beer and walked him through the job).
 
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