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Mechanics get screwed

mrstrictlygm

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I'm glad I got out of the Auto business. I would spend more on tools than I would make. The cars got real difficult and time consuming to work on. I just did not enjoy it anymore. I only do the occasional side jobs on friends and family vehicles. I remember just before I quit, it was really slow, I mean no work for weeks. Once the economy tanked the auto industry went with it. Its a shame, all the training and schooling I had to go through. At least I learned something and still have my tools to work on my own stuff and for side jobs. I just couldn't rely on this career as a reliable source of income.
 
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I haven't read every post but just skimmed through many of them.

I would have to disagree with the terminology about "mechanics getting screwed", I don't feel as though I am getting screwed and will not play the victim of my circumstances.

Personally, I am proud to be a mechanic and chose this profession on purpose, I didn't become a mechanic because I couldn't do anything else like some feel is the case.

I have been wrenching professionally now for going on my 25th year for the same employer. They have treated me well, I make good money and I am well respected for the skillset that I bring to the job every day. Many of the skills that I have developed over the years are due to constantly trying to improve my skills and knowledge from every day tasks and many, many skills are those that I have developed at my home shop and bring into my day job. My employer knows this and greatly appreciates my professionalism and dedication to my job.

My employer provides the large tools such as welders, grinders, lathe, drill press and many other power tools. Each mechanic is responsible to provide their own hand tools and any power/pnuematic tools that they deem necessary to complete their job in a timely fashion.

That said, I have probably around $15k dollars in my "work" toolbox to do my job. This includes all of the basics (sockets, wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, etc.) plus many pnuematic tools, VOM, test equipment and quite a few specialty tools necessary for working on specific pieces of equipment. I also have invested in things like tap & die set, drill bits and some large wrenches even though our company provides these things, it never fails whenever I have needed them someone else is either using them or they have failed to take care and return or have returned a broken tap or drill bit. Nothing frustrates me more than a two minute job turning into a 20 minute job because you have to go looking for a tool or exchanging a broken tool. I feel I am more professional having my own and not having to rely on the "shop's" tool crib to do my job.

I have in contrast many co-workers who feel the total exact opposite and use the company's tool crib as an excuse when they cannot get something done. They also have the absolute bare minimum of the required tools to do their job. These are the same ones who seem to struggle with every aspect of doing their job, from following company policy changes to working with any sense of urgency. They wear me out watching them walk from one side of the shop to the other to grab one wrench or one socket out of their toolbox and then walk across the shop to grab one bolt. They don't think ahead and grab the tools necessary to complete a certain task even though they have probably done that job a hundred times and know what is required.

Just the other day we had one of our new forklifts in the shop that had just recenlty gone out of warranty. It had an electrical issue and once I diagnosed the problem I realized that they were using the Doestch style barrel connectors which none of our other equipment uses. I went home that night and was able to find a pair of crimpers online and got them ordered. I knew that to do my job properly I would need to have a pair of these in my toolbox.

Within the next few days as I was trying to share with my co-workers what I had found and gave them a place to get the crimpers. I could not believe all of the bitching and moaning because how could the company actually expect them to buy a pair of crimpers to work on equipment that was specifically related to their job? They brought it up in a crew meeting and insisted that the company purchase a set of crimpers. I spoke up and said I am going to hate to have to hunt for them when I needed them, that is why I purchased my own. Most did not agree with me so the company said they would buy one pair. I am curious to see how long that lasts.

I cannot understand all of the entitled attitudes around my workplace lately. I know the inherent responsibilities with my job and what is required of me to perform my duties, I cannot understand why others cannot see that.

Mike.
 

Heavy Metal Doctor

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I had not posted yet because I can't type that much to express what I feel on the whole situation. It goes deeper than just how much money is spent of the the tools for a mechanic to do his job versus tools beig supplied for the work in other trades. Luckily Mike ^ put a lot of it into his post and I am in a similar situation.
 

camarotoolman

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I've sold alot of tools to company owners, they say there guys loose or steal the stuff faster than they can buy it. Long as people don't have to pay for it they don't care.
 

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If you think any plumber or electrician has less than $200 in their own tools you are kidding yourself. Do mechanics earn their money? Yes, of course, but in general they get the benefit of going to the same location every day with a set schedule. I have lots of mechanic buddies, they make a decent wage.

I have 2 buddies that are plumbers. They don't have to have any of their own tools. Both of their companies provide what they need.
 

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I have 2 buddies that are plumbers. They don't have to have any of their own tools. Both of their companies provide what they need.
I don't see the issue here, mechanics know exactly what the game is before they buy that first socket.

Pilots complain as well, $40k for certificates just to get a job making $7-$10/hr. Same thing, pilots know about it (or should, info is out there) before they drop that first dollar.
 

jpickar

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I'm an electrician and when I started out over 30 years ago I have more than $200 in tools the first year!! I was union too back then and they had a list of tools I "couldn't" buy. I am a construction electrician. A person hired by a company to work at a plant doing construction and maintenence for a company is a different story.

I don't think mechanics get screwed anymore than anyone else. I do know that Affirmative Action screwed me over many times in my life. Legislated Descrimination against white males is what that is. That is why I work for myself now.

John
 
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Exactly what Mike said the guys in my shop act the same way. Be proud you chose this profession, as they say you knew the job when you put on the uniform.......
 

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Pilots make $7-$10/hr? That don't sound right. If it is, I'm never flying again.

I didnt believe it either so I went searching and found this little nugget.
http://thetruthabouttheprofession.weebly.com/professional-pilot-salaries.html

You should be alright flying in a commercial airliner though, they make 150k-200k

And here is a site you can see actual wages posted anonymously
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/pilot-salary-SRCH_KO0,5.htm.
Although I am near a very large military airforce base so Im sure some of the wages are higher than in other parts of the country.
 

MachYou

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I'm a union HVAC tech and easily have $500 in various tools that I've paid for my employer pays for the larger tools and consumables. Usually if a certain job requires a tool that doesn't cost a arm and leg ill pay for it out of my pocket knowing ill use it again.
 

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I refuse to let this thread piss me off.. so instead....
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.........ahhh that's better.
 

srmofo

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My girlfriend is a high school teacher. She has 70k in student loans to pay. I have 70k worth of tools that are now paid for. I make twice as much money as she does. So who is getting screwed :headscrat


Tuition fees for many jobs are the "tool payments" in our field. It takes money to make money.

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Dont forget spring break. Most teachers do not have it nearly as bad as they make it out to be. We all have bosses and we all have customers. The difference is they control their customers. The only thing I feel for them is dealing with the parents of the kids. That must take incredible restraint to not slap the **** out of some of them.
 

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First comparing a mechanic to a farmer has one major flaw. The government doesn't give millions to mechanics to ensure they make money. Second, there is no one profession with so little regard for their "tools" as farmers. The "as long as I turn the key and it fires up" mentality is rampant in farming. Preventative maintenance doesn't exist.

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I am a mechanic on a farm and while I will agree with your statement, I am the complete opposite. I take very good care of my tools because I buy my own. Now I don't have 10k worth of snap on but what I do have is a very solid selection of good tools that have yet to let me down.
 

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I didnt believe it either so I went searching and found this little nugget.
http://thetruthabouttheprofession.weebly.com/professional-pilot-salaries.html

You should be alright flying in a commercial airliner though, they make 150k-200k

And here is a site you can see actual wages posted anonymously
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/pilot-salary-SRCH_KO0,5.htm.
Although I am near a very large military airforce base so Im sure some of the wages are higher than in other parts of the country.

Why not just to go AirlinePilotPay.com?

Posted hourly rates for pretty much any airline in the US.

Keep in mind most pilots work about 75 hours a month paid time. So that $100/hr really means about $7500/month.

Only guys making $150k nowadays are the very senior Captains at major airlines. We're talking 25-30 year guys here, guys who were hired before folks like me were just being born.

A new hire pilot at a major carrier makes roughly $25-30/hr that is $12-15/hr in what normal people are paid as.

You can work and make more, I'm a junior CA at a regional and made low 6 figures, but I also only made about $25k my first year. Year before that instructing I made about $12,000!
 

pipsters

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Pilots make $7-$10/hr? That don't sound right. If it is, I'm never flying again.

The typical career path for a new pilot is

1) Get your ratings ($40k+)
2) Get a degree ($$ who knows, could be $15k could be $100k depending on where you want to go to school)
3) Instruct to build flight time, make $10k-$30k a year depending on where you are and how busy you are
4) New hire at commuter make $25k/yr for the first year, rises to mid 30's to mid 40's the second year
5) Work that job a good couple years then go to a major and rinse and repeat. Pay has really come down unfortunately, by about 60% since 9/11, with the elimination of pensions.
 

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http://www.zazzle.com/5_reasons_i_became_a_teacher_funny_t_shirt-235970054256627296

Dont forget spring break. Most teachers do not have it nearly as bad as they make it out to be. We all have bosses and we all have customers. The difference is they control their customers. The only thing I feel for them is dealing with the parents of the kids. That must take incredible restraint to not slap the **** out of some of them.

Man you are not kidding. I have 2 young kids and parent teacher conferances are funny, you should hear some of these parents. They do them one at a time but somethimes you can hear and I would have been fired after the first day. And the attitudes of someof the kids. I would rather get dirty all day then deal with that ****
 
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