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Hi Gregor! It's becoming a rite of passage for folks to find your thread, read it start to finish, and make their first post on the forum to thank you for doing what you do.

It's a little sad to finally catch up (took me about a week), but I'm sure you'll provide years of ongoing entertainment and inspiration.

I will second a previous poster's recommendation that you consider reformatting and publishing this as some kind of coffee table memoir at some point. No need to wait for a plot to emerge - you're living it as you go.
 
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Ok, so here we are at page 114 of Gregor's epic, it's been absolutely amazing introducing most of us to things we'd have been better off not knowing about, Festo, Seiko to name but two, mine's been shaved head rivets !!! Perhaps the moderators should put a warning notice up, be aware that this page will cost you money!! Rabbit hole warning, don't venture down some of the holes you'll see!!

Ha, thanks.

I've been holding out on some stuff just so I don't over jump the shark. Other diversions that I'll eventually probably cave in and mention would be cookware, knives and bread and pizza. Things that occupy a fair amount of my time and give me a lot of pleasure but I've felt were a bit divergent.

Honestly, at this point, does it matter? Probably not. I love sharing things I learn that give me a lot of satisfaction so I'll probably start connecting rabbit holes...

Nice fan collection, thanks for sharing the story behind your collection :thumbup:

The fans were one of those things - glad you liked it. I'm hoping to bring it full circle with the closets/cabinets.

Gregor
 

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Ha, thanks.

I've been holding out on some stuff just so I don't over jump the shark. Other diversions that I'll eventually probably cave in and mention would be cookware, knives and bread and pizza. Things that occupy a fair amount of my time and give me a lot of pleasure but I've felt were a bit divergent.

Honestly, at this point, does it matter? Probably not. I love sharing things I learn that give me a lot of satisfaction so I'll probably start connecting rabbit holes...


Gregor

OK, you mentioned knives... I'm already down that hole so let's hear about them and see a few.
 

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Ha, thanks.

I've been holding out on some stuff just so I don't over jump the shark. Other diversions that I'll eventually probably cave in and mention would be cookware, knives and bread and pizza. Things that occupy a fair amount of my time and give me a lot of pleasure but I've felt were a bit divergent.

Honestly, at this point, does it matter? Probably not. I love sharing things I learn that give me a lot of satisfaction so I'll probably start connecting rabbit holes...



The fans were one of those things - glad you liked it. I'm hoping to bring it full circle with the closets/cabinets.

Gregor

Seems like a natural progression, and shows the interests of a well-rounded person. I find the same zen in cooking and baking as I do in rebuilding a rack of carbs or working on a furniture project. I remember seeing a Kramer edition knife in an earlier kitchen picture (I think it was one of the shun or Henkel (sp)) editions. I have to assume you can measure your vintage cat iron cookware by the hundred weight, and that a brick oven is somewhere in the future plans.

Me? I just have a meat cutting room in my house, and am working through the plans for a kitchen renovation that I hope to start in the spring.
 

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Ha, thanks.

I've been holding out on some stuff just so I don't over jump the shark. Other diversions that I'll eventually probably cave in and mention would be cookware, knives and bread and pizza. Things that occupy a fair amount of my time and give me a lot of pleasure but I've felt were a bit divergent.


Gregor

I'd be all in to hear your thoughts on cookware and knives. Is All-Clad all it's hyped up to be? These are the questions that will be occupying my mind after I finish my long-stalled kitchen remodel. The idea is "1912 foursquare with late 20s/early 30s remodel kitchen" including GE monitor top and 1927 gas stove, both in the garage waiting for me to finish the cabinets... oh, and my 30lb cast iron 1920s oscillating fan, that I bet you'd approve of :)
 

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OMG. That is awesome. I love when people do these deep dives. A whole room for meat cutting? Wow.

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Eventually I will steal about 4 feet of that room for the new kitchen. As it stands now is how I set it up when I was working towards opening a meat processing facility / butcher shop. Unfortunately we never quite got the business plan worked out for that. For a while I was bootlegging cured meats through some farmers markets and to friends. It got a little out of hand when I was cranking out 20 pounds of bacon every week just for market.

There is also a walk in cooler out behind the garage, a decent sized smokehouse, a bunch of barbecue gear, and a wife who is fine with all of it. I was a partner in a mobile farmers market truck for about five years. We called that project FarmMobile, and we had a lot of fun running it.
 

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It is just straight up paint. Since I didn't build it to be a commercial space I didn't build it to the requirements for a full-on processing facility. Floor is vinyl tile so it can be cleaned easily. I do wish I could have put a floor drain in, but it was existing concrete and I didn't want to bring in the cutting machines for that kind of work.
 
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Hi Gregor! It's becoming a rite of passage for folks to find your thread, read it start to finish, and make their first post on the forum to thank you for doing what you do.

It's a little sad to finally catch up (took me about a week), but I'm sure you'll provide years of ongoing entertainment and inspiration.

I will second a previous poster's recommendation that you consider reformatting and publishing this as some kind of coffee table memoir at some point. No need to wait for a plot to emerge - you're living it as you go.

I am truly flattered that so many people make their first post in this thread. To me that means they’ve found something that resonates and that’s all I can hope for.

I'd be all in to hear your thoughts on cookware and knives. Is All-Clad all it's hyped up to be? These are the questions that will be occupying my mind after I finish my long-stalled kitchen remodel.

Since my wife was a professional chef in NYC and has worked in the high end culinary world for a long time I’ve had the chance to learn a lot about cookware. All-Clad is pretty well respected and worth the money and what we have - bought by J because she was a pro and bought by me because I wanted stuff that would last a lifetime.

The interesting thing is non-stick. Chef’s buy the cheap stuff and toss it after a year. No point in buying All-Clad non-stick if the coating wears within a year and there isn’t a coating yet that can last much past a year. We have an IKEA nonstick that we give to goodwill once a year. It hurts me to use something so cheap but she’s right - it’s worthless in a year.

There is also a walk in cooler out behind the garage, a decent sized smokehouse, a bunch of barbecue gear, and a wife who is fine with all of it. I was a partner in a mobile farmers market truck for about five years. We called that project FarmMobile, and we had a lot of fun running it.

You, my friend, are so cool you should probably be living in Portland. I would love to know how to do that. I was squeamish as a kid when we’d go hunting and field dress an elk. Well, curious but not interested in learning. Now, I want to get back to hunting and learn that again. It’s funny how there are right times to learn things and they don’t always coincide with the timing of the lessons.

Just too cool.

Gregor
 

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My short-term memory is poor but GJ triggers plenty of flashbacks from the past.

My first car was a 1955 Plymouth Belvedere 4-door sedan with a couple of bent valves and very few piston rings. Required a quart of oil for each $1.00 (4 gallons) of gas. Painted it black and put its name on the bottom of the front fenders in that same script: Le Cochon. Few people understood.
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My great-grandfather helped establish the canned bacon industry in Denmark and was knighted for it. My grandfather worked in the business for a while but left Denmark as a teenager to seek his fortune and ended up in Alberta during the Klondike gold rush. A wife and three young children kept him from the gold but the Canadian government thought his meat packing background was valuable. He visited farmers in northern Alberta, British Columbia and the Yukon territory, teaching them how to raise livestock in the cold. One of the newspapers did an article on his work (all I have from the article is his at-work photo).
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I am relieved that you endorse All-Clad. When I read you referring to pots and pans I was afraid that you were going to open the door to some artisanal company that makes pans in the German Alps. I would laugh initially, but then begrudgingly start buying them just like with Festool.....
 

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If you're interested in picking up a cool fan or two here are my two recommendations.

The first is quite popular and sometimes expensive as they're fairly sought after among fan collectors but the Emerson Silver Swan was made over a number of years and there are a lot out there. They're near silent, very beautiful with their stacked pancake blades and incredibly durable. My chromed one is the one on the bottom right. They were never chromed like that but I think that it made it more "of a piece" so I went for it.

The next one (on the left of the Silver Swan) is the Roto-Beam and here's another link. This one is my hands down favorite brand and I might own 10 by now. Their blades are a solid cast aluminum pinwheel of five blades with a point that extends through the front of the cage so you can touch it when it's running - yeah, how cool is that? These are to me the epitome of the modern design age in fans - they're unusual, stunning, well made and silent. The small ones are harder to find and have an aluminum base (in the photo) and the larger ones have steel black enameled bases (glimpsed above on the shelf). Avoid the later ones with black bakelite blades - they don't have the crazy cool aluminum pinwheel blade.

Expect to pay $100-200 for both kinds and anything less than that is a great deal. Over $200 is getting expensive and should be in pristine condition.

Another great and unusual fan are the Vornado's. They make great garage fans as they move a lot of air but are very quiet. They're also plentiful and not typically expensive.

Apologies for another rabbit hole...

Gregor

What about Diehl fans? Any good? Seems like there are a fair number of them for sale around me at reasonable prices.
 
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My great-grandfather helped establish the canned bacon industry in Denmark and was knighted for it.

Man, Bob, you have such a rich family history. Even better is that you have so many photos from it. I often wonder how much will be lost to the digital age. Printing things is something I rarely do and really should. I've done a few of those little Apple books and without fail they're some of the coolest keepsakes.

I am relieved that you endorse All-Clad. When I read you referring to pots and pans I was afraid that you were going to open the door to some artisanal company that makes pans in the German Alps. I would laugh initially, but then begrudgingly start buying them just like with Festool.....

Well, actually...

Judiaann just took over the marketing for a company called Hestan Cue and they're a division of Hestan Cookware which make the high end cookware for Williams Sonoma. Supposedly it's as high end or higher but we don't have any, yet. We do have the Hestan Cue and I've started shooting some of their ads - this coming months Bon Appetite will feature a full page ad that we actually shot in our dining room just 12 hours before the deadline.

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And the final shot.

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The "Cue" is a smart pan loaded with sensors paired with an induction burner. It works with an app and basically guides you through recipes and automatically adjusts the heat. I like gas so don't use induction much but I will say I got the best hash browns yet with it. I'm sure we'll keep using it as we have one in the house now but I'm a guy with a manual mill and lathe, bikes from the 70's-90's and 1200 LP's. I like analog. Nonetheless the digital revolution is coming and there's nothing that won't end up "smart" - except for perhaps us...

Anyway, thought it might be interesting to see the set and the final image. I used every light I had (in Oregon) to make it look "natural" and high end. A very fun problem to solve.

Gregor
 

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Fans, knives, butchers, bacon history, cookware, meat cutting rooms.

One's education is not complete without a review of this thread.
 

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Bob, I have to second what Gregor said - your family's history is really cool. While the idea of "canned bacon" may not be fashionable now, in its time that technology was revolutionary, and a key to helping people survive and flourish. I came by the butchering thing because I like to cook, nothing as col as that.

And now we can return to the normal stream of "what will Gregor introduce us to next?"
 

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Love the van peeking through the window in the first shot. Like a big shaggy working dog who wants to come in and lie down by the fireplace. “Can I come in?”
 
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I'm still stuck on this quote from Gregor: "It’s funny how there are right times to learn things and they don’t always coincide with the timing of the lessons."
That resonates so much with my life and life lessons - learned and not learned!
 

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Gregor -

You are the perfect person to answer a question about food photography that has been bugging me for a few years now:

What is the reason for the trend towards high-contrast, "vivid"-looking images?

I can remember when images of plated food looked like, well, the real thing. The sort of image one would get with a point-and-shoot and no post-processing: no saturated colors, no enhanced dynamic range, just a simple image of plain old food.

Then things began to change in the foodie magazines, and now pretty much all published food pictures look rather unreal to me. Sort of meta-food, if that's a thing. :)

Must be missing something on my end -- can you help me understand what is going on and why the new look is so popular?

Thanks,
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Gregor -

You are the perfect person to answer a question about food photography that has been bugging me for a few years now:

What is the reason for the trend towards high-contrast, "vivid"-looking images?

I can remember when images of plated food looked like, well, the real thing. The sort of image one would get with a point-and-shoot and no post-processing: no saturated colors, no enhanced dynamic range, just a simple image of plain old food.

Then things began to change in the foodie magazines, and now pretty much all published food pictures look rather unreal to me. Sort of meta-food, if that's a thing. :)

Must be missing something on my end -- can you help me understand what is going on and why the new look is so popular?

Thanks,
ib

That’s an interesting observation. There’s a few reasons.

One is style. It changes and it does it in a cyclical way. Jeans are tight, jeans are loose. You get bored of doing something the same way so you look to change it. As a culture that’s essentially what a trend is - a group decision to change our behavior. In publishing like life, a few magazines or editors or photographers will take a chance and do the different thing. Sometimes it catches on and sometimes not. This is 2006 or 2007 and I was booked up!

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I’ve noticed in my career that my images reflect my mood and that I’ve seen that over many years. Is the economy good? Photos will be bright, colorful and generally lighter toned. Really good? Pastels, like that shot above for Target. Amazing? Very experimental colors that intentionally clash - because, screw you, I’m booked solid and can do anything I want!

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When things tank it gets dark. Literally. In 2008 my images became super gritty, dark and often set on black. I was tired of all the stuff I shot on white, tired of the bright airy sets and colors. I lost so much work. I lost my studio, and I lost my interest in happy images. Clients responded to this and we entered a dark phase like that 2009 image for Pop Sci.

Those are the big cycles you’ll see in 7-10 year periods. The next reason these things change is technology. I started in film, in black & white film no less. I’ve always tried to experiment and try new things be it cameras, film or software. We used to have cameras that held film. Kodak and Fuji were basically it. Kodak was natural and Fuji was punchy. Agfa was if you were a weirdo. Cameras couldn’t change how a photo looked. Light could and film could. Cameras were just the door the light passed on it’s way. Lenses could do something but other than minor differences everyone had the same lenses.

Now every camera is different and every year you’re tempted or tricked to buy a new camera because the chip is bigger, faster, finer. On top of that you can do anything with software after the fact. So there’s the technical roller coaster.

I used to sit by the side of the road and manually follow focus on cars to build muscle memory so I could shoot sports. I used to have a light meter. When I came back from a hard assignment I had no idea if I got the shot - in fact if the film got fogged, someone turned on a light or the chemicals were bad I didn’t have anything at all. Was my shutter speed too slow to freeze the motion? Guess we’ll know tomorrow! Now? You know exactly what you got instantaneously. You can change it instantaneously.

This has done two things. The cameras look can change but the other is the bar has been lowered to the floor as far as skills go. Imagine if people could just download their dreams into a book every day - we’d be neck deep in literature... well, words. Our low technical barrier means that everyone with a camera is a photographer. Instagram is the million monkeys on a million typewriters. Larger numbers of photographers means more images, that means more trends that cycle faster. Squirrel!

For the food photos it started all available light with a window in the 70’s and then in the 80’s-90’s it was all about softboxes which looked like windows. So the same look but punched up to outdo the folks still using real light.

Then digital came along and it got punchier - because it could. So much so that the only thing to do was the stop using strobes and go back to windows so the different thing was the natural look... again.

Around this time I met Johnny Iuzzini and he asked me to shoot his first cookbook but to make it not look like the soft focus soft light food photos that were so popular and pervasive. I came up with a very edgy and technical hard light that I thought looked good and was different. This was 2007 and we published a very different cookbook: Dessert Fourplay.

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Then instagram happened and since 99% of the people with cameras don’t have strobes they used available light but they didn’t have retouching restraint so their photos looked really pumped up. That look was then aped by the magazines since everyone was being buried in it. Don’t be left out of a trend! But sneaky magazines decided to do something bold - go sloppy! Hours are spent making the shot look like a beautiful hot mess. Crumbs are cool!

It’s a cat chasing it’s tail and technology is the laser pointer.

Does that help?

The thing is that we’re so fractured that trends are going in really divergent ways simultaneously. It’s a weird time and no one really knows what’s next right now. My personal bet is focus. In one of the above “screw you” reactions to what I see as really precious yet dull IG food (dish from above anyone?) I decided to go way back to soft focus but in a “**** you” fashion. I’d not say that to a client but it’s more an experiment to see if I can get it to take.

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So my shot for Hestan is current with the trend but it’s also driven by their product and their goals. It’s high end and tech. It’s for an affluent customer. For that market dark and moody is higher end. You’d think it would be styled perfect but we intentially make it “messy” because that’s exactly opposite what the cheap products look like. Think about the images you see from K-Mart, Walmart etc: on white, bright color, perfectly styled and lowest common denominator.

Food is weird in general. I mean, taking photos of what you eat? We’re just one step away from taking photos of it after we’re done eating it. That’s next.

It’s been said that the fall of Rome was preceded by a time of food as entertainment. If we’re not in that time right now I would be very surprised.

Gregor
 

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This 'thread' continues to amaze me. It touches on so many subjects I'm mixed up in with my own life, I'm compelled to page back and reread things, to see how you tackled something.

This HUD repo I bought out of desperation, and am now trying to clean up as best I can? Peeling paint, which reveals Depression-era woodwork, with dyed shellac finishes begging for restoration. Did I see something in 'Mecca' about that? Scan back a bit...

My photo hobby began in the early 80's with a pawnshop Minolta SRT-201 and Ektachrome slide film, now resumed with a new-to-me Nikon D600. Lenses, shooting techniques, incredible images? Here we are again in the 'Moto Mecca'.

Thanks for a fascinating ride, sir!
 

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I’ve noticed in my career that my images reflect my mood and that I’ve seen that over many years. Is the economy good? Photos will be bright, colorful and generally lighter toned. Really good? Pastels, like that shot above for Target. Amazing? Very experimental colors that intentionally clash - because, screw you, I’m booked solid and can do anything I want!

When things tank it gets dark. Literally. In 2008 my images became super gritty, dark and often set on black. I was tired of all the stuff I shot on white, tired of the bright airy sets and colors. I lost so much work. I lost my studio, and I lost my interest in happy images. Clients responded to this and we entered a dark phase like that 2009 image for Pop Sci.
Interesting how images can reflect the state of the economy. Music, sure. I had never thought about imagery, though. No doubt it shows up in all forms of artistic expression, if one takes the time to observe.

sakurama said:
Then instagram happened and since 99% of the people with cameras don’t have strobes they used available light but they didn’t have retouching restraint so their photos looked really pumped up. That look was then aped by the magazines since everyone was being buried in it. Don’t be left out of a trend! But sneaky magazines decided to do something bold - go sloppy! Hours are spent making the shot look like a beautiful hot mess. Crumbs are cool!

It’s a cat chasing it’s tail and technology is the laser pointer.

Does that help?

Yes, the evolution of food imagery makes sense when laid out this way. Thanks for taking the time to explain it.

sakurama said:
It’s a weird time and no one really knows what’s next right now. My personal bet is focus. In one of the above “screw you” reactions to what I see as really precious yet dull IG food (dish from above anyone?) I decided to go way back to soft focus but in a “**** you” fashion. I’d not say that to a client but it’s more an experiment to see if I can get it to take.
I like the way soft focus surroundings counterbalance the vivid imagery of the food itself; makes for an appealing combination IMHO.

That was a very enlightening essay, Gregor. I hope it gets included when you eventually publish Gregor's Guide to Good Photography.

Cheers,
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I have read that it is becoming common for new restaurants to plan their lighting so that their food looks better on instagram.
 

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We used to have cameras that held film. Kodak and Fuji were basically it. Kodak was natural and Fuji was punchy. Agfa was if you were a weirdo.

Our low technical barrier means that everyone with a camera is a photographer. Instagram is the million monkeys on a million typewriters. Larger numbers of photographers means more images, that means more trends that cycle faster. Squirrel!


Then instagram happened and since 99% of the people with cameras don’t have strobes they used available light but they didn’t have retouching restraint so their photos looked really pumped up.


Gregor

So... do you still shoot Agfa? :bounce: I used to love shooting Agfa, but it was so much more expensive for my middle school allowance... I was one of the photographers for my middle school yearbook. I shot 3 rolls of pics for the yearbook on Agfa. I remember the teacher was pissed because there were only two pictures she liked after paying for the developing.

I still own my film camera, a Canon Elan 7. And I still have a few rolls of film, but nowhere to have them developed locally. I've seriously thought about putting a darkroom in my basement.

OMG, I have said "everyone's a photographer now" to my wife so many times I've lost count. One of my friends is a true Pro. Then I have about 4 other friends that suddenly are "pro" photographers after they buy a $1K camera, then they go cheap on the lenses and I kind of puke in my mouth a little. They undercut the real pros to book portrait or family photoshoots. My cheapest lens was twice what I paid for the Elan 7 body.

Ah, IG... I look back at my first pics on IG and kind of chuckle. One of them is still one of my favorite pics of one of our crystal door knobs in our house... I actually deleted many of them. When IG first launched it was actually a challenge to get great pics with an iPhone3 and I loved that challenge. Now the iPhones and Galaxy phones take pretty good pics easily if you can hold the phone steady and don't zoom beyond 2X.

I spend a fair amount of time throttling back the filters, trying to get the color and contrast, shadows, etc. balanced to what I actually see with my eyes. This is especially true for any food pics I post, and I haven't posted a food pic in a long time. And I have never posted a pic of food at a restaurant. That annoys me when I see that being done. They didn't cook it, why the hell are they taking pics of it? That comment isn't directed at Pros doing ad copy work, but the general population...

But I also use the Shadow, Highlights, and Vignette edits a lot of times to black out or fade out stuff in the background of my pics in my garage to hide it. I don't have the time or the drive to run my pics through Adobe LR... but I also don't call myself a photographer. I'm just using my Galaxy S7 because it's easy to capture the pics for my threads here or my IG feed.

And what's with all the hot yoga chicks always hiding their faces in their IG feeds? Oh wait, that was a tangent wasn't it?
 

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A great insight into professional photography, thanks for sharing. ;) You missed my favourite pet hate, people taking poor photos (poor composition and framing etc) and then applying an 'arty' filter effect to make it look like a painting or something, and claiming it's a work of art :dunno::eyecrazy:
 

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Thanks for the short essay. I started with film cameras when I was about 8. A classic Kodak Box with B&W. 68 years later I shoot with a full-frame Canon and an iPhone 7. I have shot weddings and portraits and loved it. I have done art shows and small exhibits, but ..., everyone thinks they're great. I taught photography (read composition and lighting for several years.

Now, Instagram and family, favoring B&W from the phone and landscapes from the Canon. I quit chasing the crowd and shoot for myself. It's more fun.
 

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I have been a long time admirer of this feed, thanks Gregor.

The attention to detail is amazing.

In regards to photography... My wife and I have a wedding photography company and we switched to film 4 years ago. I have to say it was the best thing we’ve ever done. We purchased a Contax 645 for Medium Format and a Nikon F100 for 35mm.

The switch to film really made us pay more attention to each frame, where as with digital it was just squeeze the shutter machine gun style.

Regardless I would say each format has its place and can achieve different looks but in the end we just love film lol

Both of these shots were on Fujifilm Pro 400h


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Puch

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That’s an interesting observation. There’s a few reasons.

One is style. It changes and it does it in a cyclical way. Jeans are tight, jeans are loose. You get bored of doing something the same way so you look to change it. As a culture that’s essentially what a trend is - a group decision to change our behavior. In publishing like life, a few magazines or editors or photographers will take a chance and do the different thing. Sometimes it catches on and sometimes not. This is 2006 or 2007 and I was booked up!

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I’ve noticed in my career that my images reflect my mood and that I’ve seen that over many years. Is the economy good? Photos will be bright, colorful and generally lighter toned. Really good? Pastels, like that shot above for Target. Amazing? Very experimental colors that intentionally clash - because, screw you, I’m booked solid and can do anything I want!

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When things tank it gets dark. Literally. In 2008 my images became super gritty, dark and often set on black. I was tired of all the stuff I shot on white, tired of the bright airy sets and colors. I lost so much work. I lost my studio, and I lost my interest in happy images. Clients responded to this and we entered a dark phase like that 2009 image for Pop Sci.

Those are the big cycles you’ll see in 7-10 year periods. The next reason these things change is technology. I started in film, in black & white film no less. I’ve always tried to experiment and try new things be it cameras, film or software. We used to have cameras that held film. Kodak and Fuji were basically it. Kodak was natural and Fuji was punchy. Agfa was if you were a weirdo. Cameras couldn’t change how a photo looked. Light could and film could. Cameras were just the door the light passed on it’s way. Lenses could do something but other than minor differences everyone had the same lenses.

Now every camera is different and every year you’re tempted or tricked to buy a new camera because the chip is bigger, faster, finer. On top of that you can do anything with software after the fact. So there’s the technical roller coaster.

I used to sit by the side of the road and manually follow focus on cars to build muscle memory so I could shoot sports. I used to have a light meter. When I came back from a hard assignment I had no idea if I got the shot - in fact if the film got fogged, someone turned on a light or the chemicals were bad I didn’t have anything at all. Was my shutter speed too slow to freeze the motion? Guess we’ll know tomorrow! Now? You know exactly what you got instantaneously. You can change it instantaneously.

This has done two things. The cameras look can change but the other is the bar has been lowered to the floor as far as skills go. Imagine if people could just download their dreams into a book every day - we’d be neck deep in literature... well, words. Our low technical barrier means that everyone with a camera is a photographer. Instagram is the million monkeys on a million typewriters. Larger numbers of photographers means more images, that means more trends that cycle faster. Squirrel!

For the food photos it started all available light with a window in the 70’s and then in the 80’s-90’s it was all about softboxes which looked like windows. So the same look but punched up to outdo the folks still using real light.

Then digital came along and it got punchier - because it could. So much so that the only thing to do was the stop using strobes and go back to windows so the different thing was the natural look... again.

Around this time I met Johnny Iuzzini and he asked me to shoot his first cookbook but to make it not look like the soft focus soft light food photos that were so popular and pervasive. I came up with a very edgy and technical hard light that I thought looked good and was different. This was 2007 and we published a very different cookbook: Dessert Fourplay.

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Then instagram happened and since 99% of the people with cameras don’t have strobes they used available light but they didn’t have retouching restraint so their photos looked really pumped up. That look was then aped by the magazines since everyone was being buried in it. Don’t be left out of a trend! But sneaky magazines decided to do something bold - go sloppy! Hours are spent making the shot look like a beautiful hot mess. Crumbs are cool!

It’s a cat chasing it’s tail and technology is the laser pointer.

Does that help?

The thing is that we’re so fractured that trends are going in really divergent ways simultaneously. It’s a weird time and no one really knows what’s next right now. My personal bet is focus. In one of the above “screw you” reactions to what I see as really precious yet dull IG food (dish from above anyone?) I decided to go way back to soft focus but in a “**** you” fashion. I’d not say that to a client but it’s more an experiment to see if I can get it to take.

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So my shot for Hestan is current with the trend but it’s also driven by their product and their goals. It’s high end and tech. It’s for an affluent customer. For that market dark and moody is higher end. You’d think it would be styled perfect but we intentially make it “messy” because that’s exactly opposite what the cheap products look like. Think about the images you see from K-Mart, Walmart etc: on white, bright color, perfectly styled and lowest common denominator.

Food is weird in general. I mean, taking photos of what you eat? We’re just one step away from taking photos of it after we’re done eating it. That’s next.

It’s been said that the fall of Rome was preceded by a time of food as entertainment. If we’re not in that time right now I would be very surprised.

Gregor

One of the most insightful and articulate responses to a question I have ever read. Thanks you for making the world a better place.
 
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sakurama

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Thanks for the comments everyone. It’s really nice to have the back and forth. I’ve been told many times I should have a blog, and I’ve tried but it feels like you’re talking from a podium to a dark room. Here I feel like I’m at a big garage party with friends and that’s super cool.

I have read that it is becoming common for new restaurants to plan their lighting so that their food looks better on instagram.

Yes, this is absolutely true. In fact Judiaann is a consultant to restaurants and helps them better optimize social media. IG is more important than Yelp right now in terms of advertising for a new restaurant. In some ways it’s cool that big media has lost control and in others the inmates are running the asylum.

My wife and I have a wedding photography company and we switched to film 4 years ago...

The switch to film really made us pay more attention to each frame, where as with digital it was just squeeze the shutter machine gun style.

This is the right reason to shoot film or use lights or whatever - because it helps you see and opens your eyes to a deeper creative process.

The best advice I’ve ever gotten was from my mentor, Gregory Heisler when I was about to leave and start on my own and I asked him what camera he thought I should start with. We’d used every camera under the sun so I knew he’d have good advice. He stroked his chin and pretended to think, “The best camera is the one you love because then you’ll want to use it more and the more you use it the better you’ll get.”

Yeah, he was the most brilliant photographer I’ve ever known and an amazing person who I was lucky enough to work for for almost three amazing years. Look him up.

Here’s his first book: Gregory Heisler - 50 Portraits I was his first assistant on a lot of those portraits. And here he’s talking about creative process:
it’s a good and short video.

One of the most insightful and articulate responses to a question I have ever read. Thanks you for making the world a better place.

Aww, shucks! Thanks. I love thinking about things and figuring them out. This thread really energizes me to figure things out and I appreciate that it’s populated by an amazing group of smart curious people. That’s cool.

Gregor
 

BoilermakerFan

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Thanks for the comments everyone. It’s really nice to have the back and forth. I’ve been told many times I should have a blog, and I’ve tried but it feels like you’re talking from a podium to a dark room. Here I feel like I’m at a big garage party with friends and that’s super cool.


The best advice I’ve ever gotten was from my mentor, Gregory Heisler when I was about to leave and start on my own and I asked him what camera he thought I should start with. We’d used every camera under the sun so I knew he’d have good advice. He stroked his chin and pretended to think, “The best camera is the one you love because then you’ll want to use it more and the more you use it the better you’ll get.”

Yeah, he was the most brilliant photographer I’ve ever known and an amazing person who I was lucky enough to work for for almost three amazing years. Look him up.

Here’s his first book: Gregory Heisler - 50 Portraits I was his first assistant on a lot of those portraits. And here he’s talking about creative process:
it’s a good and short video.

Gregor

That's awesome advice!

You touched on it a little earlier, but what are the important things to consider or look for in a a hobbiest level SLR digital camera? I started looking at them a couple months ago. I have to go Canon because of my lenses, but there are about 6 version of the Rebel and a few others around $800 or less for the body only. I'm not sure I need full manual controls nor do I plan to shoot any fast action so the maximum fps burst rate is less important to me if that helps.
 

camposdesignco

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Thanks for the comments everyone. It’s really nice to have the back and forth. I’ve been told many times I should have a blog, and I’ve tried but it feels like you’re talking from a podium to a dark room. Here I feel like I’m at a big garage party with friends and that’s super cool.







Yes, this is absolutely true. In fact Judiaann is a consultant to restaurants and helps them better optimize social media. IG is more important than Yelp right now in terms of advertising for a new restaurant. In some ways it’s cool that big media has lost control and in others the inmates are running the asylum.







This is the right reason to shoot film or use lights or whatever - because it helps you see and opens your eyes to a deeper creative process.



The best advice I’ve ever gotten was from my mentor, Gregory Heisler when I was about to leave and start on my own and I asked him what camera he thought I should start with. We’d used every camera under the sun so I knew he’d have good advice. He stroked his chin and pretended to think, “The best camera is the one you love because then you’ll want to use it more and the more you use it the better you’ll get.”



Yeah, he was the most brilliant photographer I’ve ever known and an amazing person who I was lucky enough to work for for almost three amazing years. Look him up.



Here’s his first book: Gregory Heisler - 50 Portraits I was his first assistant on a lot of those portraits. And here he’s talking about creative process:
it’s a good and short video.







Aww, shucks! Thanks. I love thinking about things and figuring them out. This thread really energizes me to figure things out and I appreciate that it’s populated by an amazing group of smart curious people. That’s cool.



Gregor



Thanks definitely will look him up. Another book we purchased and always refer back to is Jonathan Canlas: Film Is Not Dead. Great read for anyone interested in film photography.

Also on a side note all of our film shot at weddings and portraits get sent up your ways Gregor. We use Photovision Prints they are in Salem, Oregon. Excellent Lab.




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Huxley

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I read/watched this just after reading your latest update. Always well done & much appreciated.

LINK

It includes the mention of 'taboo' scrapbook inspiration also.

As a bonus rabbit hole - the video that came up automatically afterwards was about Radiohead's song "Videotape". I enjoy music thoroughly (many genres) but I can't play a sequence of notes worth a damn. Cheers!
 
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