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Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT Mid-Century Moto Mecca Makeover

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I'm planning on making a rubber pad - perhaps from a scrap of tire - and then removing all those tiny set screws and transferring that pattern over to the rubber and then bolting the rubber down onto the food peg with flat head allen bolts. I need to figure out what sort of rubber is most sticky - probably an old climbing shoe. I'll see what I can find but I'm pretty sure I'll come up with a better solution than duct tape.

The climbing shoe company 5.10 used to sell resole kits with their "Stealth" rubber. Unfortunately they no longer do this, but it looks like you can get sheets of Vibram rubber as an alternative:

https://www.charlesbirch.com/c-206.aspx?searchEngineName=vibram-sheeting

Another option, depending on what kind of design you have in mind, would be using the sole from one of 5.10's mountain bike shoes, like this:

https://www.adidasoutdoor.com/five-..._color=Night_Navy&cgid=men-bike-shoes#start=1

It's the same rubber as their climbing shoes but available in different patterns (and could potentially be thicker as well).
 
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Gregor,

You build is amazing, especially the machinist skills you are exhibiting. I'm curious about your design process and philosophy. I've never build anything this complex or labor intensive, but have seen and enjoyed many others. As a fan of road racing where handling is such an important part of design, how do you know what will work for a bike in this regard? I see much of your work is figuring out angles for the swing arm and forks that seem focused on fore and aft motion and up and down vs. side to side. Intuitively, I guess if you are trying to design a low center of gravity, this should help with the handling of the bike itself, but is there something I'm missing that would explain all the dynamics you are trying to build into this bike and how they work?

Keep up the forward motion and you will get where you need to be, on-time....:thumbup:


That's a really complicated question. A lot comes from experience and the rest from reading. The 5 books that taught me the most are the two from Tony Foale and the three from John Bradley. There's a wealth of information in those books - Tony's are more theoretical and John's are more practical.

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A motorcycle is very different than a car - a completely different handling dynamic because of the leaning to turn thing. The very essence of a motorcycle is a compromise - forks are a bad solution that has been perfected to the point that better solutions can't get traction. When a bike leans over the suspension can no longer absorb vertical inputs. It gets deep.

Road racing where I have a lot of experience, and off road where I have almost as much, are very different from flat track where I have limited experience. So right now I'm working on improving the things that are truisms in motorcycles: a stiff chassis that preserves the relationship of the head stock to the swingarm pivot will handle better than one that doesn't. Stiffer suspension components that don't deflect will do a better job of their primary function than ones that introduce flex.

Forks or swingarms are easy examples. Stock XR forks are right side up and maybe 28mm diameter tubes. When you turn or introduce forces it's easy to twist them up and twisting forks are now steering the bike in a way that wasn't intended. This can be felt as weave, wobble or vagueness. Same for the swingarm.

The goal is a bike that doesn't dilute or mess up the feedback loop of your mind and your actions on the controls. If you put 100 grams of pressure on the bars but you get back 50-120 mm of steering change (these are random numbers for the sake of illustration) instead of the 90mm you want then it's hard to make the corrections. Your mind is then trying to interpret a sloppy feedback loop instead of focusing on the putting the bike where you want it. We want an intuitive connection to the machine.

Moto GP riders are always talking about the "connection" to the motorcycle. Obviously they have a very attuned sense that is incredibly precise but we, as mortals, can also sense very small changes. I like to use the example of music. Even if you don't play music you can hear when a note is out of tune. You're expecting a pattern and when it's wrong you know it. You may not know what note it was but you sense the wrongness intuitively.

So for flat track I can't say just yet what I'm doing. I've had a half dozen races and a few hundred laps but I'm not an expert. Part of being able to design the best solution is to understand the problems and many problems only show up at the limits and I'm not at the point of finding the limits yet. One person sent me a note on IG that my swingarm angle was too high and that it needed to be flat for flat track. That was news to me. I know that chain wrap or climb will make a bike squat and that can help traction but I don't know how that works for this new-to-me form of racing.

So I'll be making changes to the bike but for the moment the changes I'm making are about addressing motorcycle truisms or universals. Stiffness and rigidity work to preserve pivot point locations. Forks and swingarms should only go up and down in their travel (moto GP is another thing altogether where the lean angles are so extreme that chassis are designed to flex laterally to allow better compliance to vertical inputs at lean angle). By improving the basic functions I can then have the mental room to address the new aspects of this form of racing.

Does that make sense?

Gregor
 

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Gregor, as much as i like the near real time updates on IG, I really enjoy the detailed explanations you give here on GJ. This Old Tony recently had a YouTube video about the footpegs on his trials bike. What appears to be a simple task, never is. Keep up the work. You'll probably need to enlist the family to carry all the trophies home from the show.
 
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Ha! Yes, I've had to keep quiet on this for a while. When I haven't been working on my own Kolb framed XR100 I was retouching the images of the bike that Scott built and that I shot the last time I was in NYC. I'm helping him get a bit of publicity and I know a thing or two about getting a bike out there so we're starting that off today with BIKE EXIF.

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And seriously my favorite shot that I loved that they used:

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There's no way I could have planned this shot. I saw them coming and set up to capture them walking through and only later could I see they had the same boots, a Gucci bag and the stride being identical was pure luck. It's so NYC.

Thankfully I don't have to spend any more hours on these photos.

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If you nickel plate the frame I'd suggest taking a look at something like Audi Nimbus Grey for the tank and seat base. It's a bit played out in the car world but on a monochromatic small bike I think it would pop. It is a medium to dark non-metallic grey that acts as a good foil to brighter/shinier parts, and could also work well with a dark red / oxblood seat textile.

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And seriously my favorite shot that I loved that they used:

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There's no way I could have planned this shot. I saw them coming and set up to capture them walking through and only later could I see they had the same boots, a Gucci bag and the stride being identical was pure luck. It's so NYC.

Thankfully I don't have to spend any more hours on these photos.

Gregor


This bike, that shot.

Wow!
 

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This isn't an ideal setup. I made a clamping block to hold the tube but trying to get the angles I need within the confines of the vise is not a good way to work. I have limited time so this is the way for the moment. I think an angle plate and rotary table might be a better way. This is an unfortunate downfall of the Bridgeport compared to my Rockwell with it's horizontal feature that was just made for mitering tubes. I'll come up with something but for now - compromise is the name of the game.

Using the tube block on angle is pretty common in the bike framebuilding world.

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Here on my small benchtop I am cutting a 38mm OD downtube (0.9mm wall thickness) for a frame with a 46mm holesaw. The rotary table on a angle plate is also used for those that need a more dedicated set-up. To take it to the next level is to mount a self centering tube vise onto the rotary table.

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Here is Steve Garro's setup.

Also to note is that the common holesaw is the goto cutter used by bike frame builders for mitering steel tubes. Available in nearly any size you can imagine and mounted to a solid arbor.

https://www.paragonmachineworks.com/ft2012-hole-saw-arbor.html
 
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The climbing shoe company 5.10 used to sell resole kits with their "Stealth" rubber. Unfortunately they no longer do this...

Yes, that was my first thought and I was surprised they don't make it anymore. I may cut up one of my rain tires which is also a very soft and sticky tire. It would be a waste of a tire but if it works I'll have a lot of stock.

Using the tube block on angle is pretty common in the bike framebuilding world.

The rotary table on a angle plate is also used for those that need a more dedicated set-up. To take it to the next level is to mount a self centering tube vise onto the rotary table.

Damn, that vise is amazing. I have never seen one until now and didn't know I needed one either...




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I have been struggling with the foot peg mounting positions. While I wanted more room I'm also limited by the placement of the engine, the location of the stock shifter and kickstart. The rear brake comes into play but I think I'm going to have to modify that a fair bit to work. If not just make one.

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I didn't like the mount I made as it felt too wide. I toyed with the idea of making an adjustable plate that would allow me to move the pegs around but it felt fussy. Plus the frame was always in the way. Every time I tried to place the pegs where I wanted them the frame was there and my mount pushed the pegs out to far. So I lopped off the back of the mount - the steel rod kept things together - and then ground it flat to the rod and machined a large disc which felt better in terms of the peg mount being at 45 degrees. I then ran a 7/8" end mill (because I can now and the tube is that dimension) through the disk slightly off center.

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This allowed me to flip the disk to see if I liked it higher or lower. I went with lower and then welded it up. I haven't welded it to the frame yet but the location is now 50% determined with height locked in. I'm going to keep going with the engine mounting before I commit to the fore and aft and the welding. The last thing I want to do is get impatient and make mistakes.

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To that end I did a similar thing to a piece of 1" round bar - milled a 7/8" recess slightly off center. This was a test piece, the final was much closer to center - maybe 1mm off. Scott explained that when he built the frame he used his XR motor as the jig but discovered that XR motors aren't really that exact and subsequent motors didn't really line up. So my offset was an attempt to allow for compensation.

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Scott included cardboard templates that indicated the correct bend position. I transferred that marking to the flat aluminum parts he had included and headed to the Diacro finger brake.

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I mark which side to bend up because they are not symmetrical. This is one of the first "real" projects that I've gotten to use the Diacro on and while it would have been simple enough to do with a press or even a vise I loved how perfectly this did the job. It's obviously better suited to production but I love it.

Also - time saving tip: I am always looking for old wrenches at flea markets. The sell for pennies and from my collection of misfits I can always find one that is suited for a particular machines adjustment. I keep this one on the brake to adjust the fingers, another on the lathe for the compound, one on the mill for the table fixtures. It's a big time saver to not have to go looking for the right wrench.

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The offset coping of the steel mount worked out perfectly. I need to make some spacers now for the rear of the engine and then tighten the whole thing down to take up any slack and solidly locate the engine. Once that's done I can then tack weld these front mounts and drill through the frame to finish threading the mount.

After that I will focus on the pegs and the rear brake which will probably take all day. Engine parts are supposedly enroute but without a carb or intake I can't really start work on the exhaust. I may go ahead and set up the rotary table and make the exhaust flange so that is ready to go.

The goal is to try to attack as much of the fabrication road blocks as I can so that progress isn't halted suddenly by something simple that takes time.

There's a lot left to do.

Gregor
 

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Beautiful work as usual Gregor.

I have a couple of questions if you don't mind.

How do you like your Diacro finger brake? Any limitations other than size? I see they are spec'd to bend up to 16-gauge but I am sure that is at full width, any issues bending slightly thicker yet narrower pieces?

I have been wanting a small pan brake for several years now and really don't have the need nor floor space to dedicate to a 48" one but the smaller 24" Di Acro's and Pexto's sure are appealing.

Thank you.

Mike
 
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Beautiful work as usual Gregor.

I have a couple of questions if you don't mind.

How do you like your Diacro finger brake? Any limitations other than size? I see they are spec'd to bend up to 16-gauge but I am sure that is at full width, any issues bending slightly thicker yet narrower pieces?

I have been wanting a small pan brake for several years now and really don't have the need nor floor space to dedicate to a 48" one but the smaller 24" Di Acro's and Pexto's sure are appealing.

Thank you.

Mike

It's such a nice piece. It really is so well thought out and simple to use and the build quality is amazing. I was nervous about bending the 1/8" aluminum just because it says 16-ga steel but I remember the one we had back in Spannerland was consistently abused but held up solidly. I wouldn't try 1/8" steel but the aluminum was fine.

Would buy again.

Gregor
 

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I'm planning on making a rubber pad - perhaps from a scrap of tire - and then removing all those tiny set screws and transferring that pattern over to the rubber and then bolting the rubber down onto the food peg with flat head allen bolts. I need to figure out what sort of rubber is most sticky - probably an old climbing shoe. I'll see what I can find but I'm pretty sure I'll come up with a better solution than duct tape.

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Nearly 20 years ago, I was working with 5.10 to develop brake pads for trials bicycles. I'm pretty sure that I have a couple squares of the prototype compounds that they slumped for me. How much do you need and how thick do you need it to be? IIRC, they're 1/4" - 3/8" but probably closer to 1/4"
 

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DiAcro made about the best small sheet metal tools available, IMO. Everything I've ever used from them was top notch.

Obviously there are limitations, but for most garage work, they're really the cat's pajamas.
 

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It's such a nice piece. It really is so well thought out and simple to use and the build quality is amazing. I was nervous about bending the 1/8" aluminum just because it says 16-ga steel but I remember the one we had back in Spannerland was consistently abused but held up solidly. I wouldn't try 1/8" steel but the aluminum was fine.

Would buy again.

Gregor

DiAcro made about the best small sheet metal tools available, IMO. Everything I've ever used from them was top notch.

Obviously there are limitations, but for most garage work, they're really the cat's pajamas.

Thanks for the comments guys. I've wanted a 48" pan brake for quite a while but in reality I don't do that much larger sheet metal work and 48" would really be overkill. I've been thinking a nice quality 24" would be adequate for what I do and the DiAcro and Pexto finger brakes seem to have a following so I feel that would probably do most everything I would need to in my little shop.
 
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Gregor, I dunno if this might be useful to you, but I saw this built XR100 shock over on Andy Dibrino's FB page and thought of you:
https://www.facebook.com/andy.dibrino/posts/4025638267462464

Ok, just got caught up and I'll bet you already knew about it.

I actually got this donor bike from Andy so it already has a decent shock on it. There's not really any sort of amazing option for shocks but I have a Works on my other XR and the shock that Andy had on this one. It bounces so far but I can't say much else.

Nearly 20 years ago, I was working with 5.10 to develop brake pads for trials bicycles. I'm pretty sure that I have a couple squares of the prototype compounds that they slumped for me. How much do you need and how thick do you need it to be? IIRC, they're 1/4" - 3/8" but probably closer to 1/4"

Thanks for the rubber Sean!

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I picked it up from Sean today along with some brake lines. When I got back to the shop I clamped it to the opposite peg to get an impression of the cleat pattern.

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From there I bolted the rubber to the peg with flat head screws.

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Here's a shot of my steel shoe from Lightshoe. The ripple are actually hard facing like you'd put on the tips of diggers and earth moving equipment. It's not so much for wear as it is for less friction. Well, both I guess. In flat track you're sliding the bike all the time - it's almost one big constant slide. Into the corner and then out of the corner. The steel shoe let's you balance and manage the slide but of course it's very slippery and on a steel peg it's like ice.

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The common solution is to just tape over your peg. I safety wired fuel line over my other XR00 but for this bike I wanted a more thoughtful solution.

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So Seans climbing rubber is the experiment. I need to get shorter screws to recess the heads a bit more but it is nonetheless very sticky right now.

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Lara has been putting time in on the exhaust tubes getting them prepped and brushed. She was accepted into the Master Gardener Program (yeah! congratulations!) so I'm losing her one day a week. Thankfully she's twice as good as me in getting things done so we'll stay productive.

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I test fit my old Mikuni flat slide carb and it's pretty tight. I'm going to need to be creative to fit the new carb...

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Which just showed up. It's a Lectron flat slide which worked so well on the BMW that I got in touch with them for one for this project. It's a monster but that's probably just as well as the motor is going to be quite a bit bigger.

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With motor parts on the way and a work trip coming up I need to get the frame finished so I can send it out for nickel. That means all the brackets and bits that need to get welded need to be made, sorted and tacked in place so I can pull the bike and do the final welding. The rear brake lever I was going to use was the stock CR but it just didn't fit anymore. I thought about trying to cut and reweld but decided that making a new lever out of stainless would be a nice detail and tie things together.

Much of the work that I'm doing is because of my desire to put the CR swingarm on the bike. The disk brake, longer swingarm and different hubs are all making things more complicated.

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This took way too long. Like all day. The fabrication was complicated but also it was the positioning and adjusting.

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I tried running a pointed end mill (I've lost my words tonight as I'm exhausted) across the foot pedal to make a waffle pattern and while it worked it's not all that clean. I'm not sure what I could have done to make it better besides not using stainless but I accepted it as good enough and welded the whole thing up.

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Finally tonight I spend several hours making mounts for the tank and I can cross that off my list. I was also aware enough that I needed to make some steering stops so that is what the small rounds are on the flat bracket behind the forks. I'll screw small delrin bumper into those.

Tomorrow I'm going to get after that tail section and see what I can accomplish but I have have low expectations. Still, I have gotten a lot done and tomorrow I should be able to get the chassis details finalized and then pull it apart and do the final welding. It's still touch and go if I'll finish on time with a working bike but i'm working as hard as I can...

Gregor
 
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It's looking great Gregor and I'm truely liking the dailty updates. Hopefully you do spend some time with the kids in between.

As usual I ready everything in this topic so I've also read the posts concerning the mill. Just for the fun of it I've checked to see if a Bridgeport was for sale in my area and actually there is one. May I ask what you've paid for it? Just to get a reference. Do you have any buyers advice other than checking the ways and checking for smoothness of running? Are there any measurements I should take to get a better view of the condition?

BR. Jan

Ps. We've had a great pizza some weeks ago :)
 

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E12-535, I am glad I am not the only one who has enjoyed Gregors pizza recipe.

I wound up making 3 pizzas last weekend and had houseguests over who all gave it rave reviews. I might just have to keep making these. Need to go get another bag of Bread flour as I have ran out after 4 pizzas... lol


Gregor, this bike is fascinating to watch come together both here and on Instagram. I like the little video snippets you are doing there.
 

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Congratulations to Lara!.
I very happy to see her using the safety glasses, I worked for 40 years in a machine shop and had safety drummed into my head.
Any chance you give me the name of the power tool that Lara is using, I would like to research it.
Thank you.
Greg.
 
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It's looking great Gregor and I'm truely liking the dailty updates. Hopefully you do spend some time with the kids in between.

As usual I ready everything in this topic so I've also read the posts concerning the mill. Just for the fun of it I've checked to see if a Bridgeport was for sale in my area and actually there is one. May I ask what you've paid for it? Just to get a reference. Do you have any buyers advice other than checking the ways and checking for smoothness of running? Are there any measurements I should take to get a better view of the condition?

BR. Jan

Ps. We've had a great pizza some weeks ago :)

E12-535, I am glad I am not the only one who has enjoyed Gregors pizza recipe.

I wound up making 3 pizzas last weekend and had houseguests over who all gave it rave reviews. I might just have to keep making these. Need to go get another bag of Bread flour as I have ran out after 4 pizzas... lol


Gregor, this bike is fascinating to watch come together both here and on Instagram. I like the little video snippets you are doing there.

Glad you guys are making pizzas.

I paid $3250 for the mill and then another... $400 to ship it. I got a good deal on the mill considering the condition. Pulley head mills - called J-Heads - are generally cheaper and if you're running the mill on a VFD you'll already have speed control via the VFD.

As I tell everyone who messages me on IG after watching lathe videos that the lathe or the mill is the cheap part or at least half the expense. Tooling is expensive the but good news is you can buy that as you need it. I would always say to look for a machine under power that is tooled up if you don't know what you're getting into. This way you have a machine that runs and works and is ready to use. My Rockwell was all R8 tooling so I kept all the collets, tools etc and was ready to go with the new mill - including my DRO which I moved over but had to buy new scales. The scales alone were $600 bought piecemeal on ebay.

That said expect J-heads to go for $1500 for a rough machine to $3500 and Series II machines like mine to run from $2500 for rough to $7-9000 for one tooled up with a DRO.

Congratulations to Lara!.
I very happy to see her using the safety glasses, I worked for 40 years in a machine shop and had safety drummed into my head.
Any chance you give me the name of the power tool that Lara is using, I would like to research it.
Thank you.
Greg.

The tool is a FLEX LBR1506VRA wrap around tube sander: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002OHEB3O/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Expensive but they come up on ebay fairly often. I believe Harbor Freight makes a knock off.

Gregor
 

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Gregor,

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Technically, what you have is a Series 1 2J head machine.

There were many different heads available from Bridgeport, the most famous being M, J, 2J, and 4J. Because of the "2" in "2J", they are commonly mistaken for a Series 2.

The Series 2 bridgeports were MUCH bigger and heavier, typically outfitted with the large 4J heads that had 4HP and used a Erickson 40 taper spindle. They did make a "series 2 special" which was kind of a hybrid of the two types.
But by far, the most common Bridgeport Mills are the J head and 2J head. The only real difference being the J head was 1 HP and had pulleys to change speeds, and the 2J had either 1.5, 2 or 3 HP heads with a Reeves style variable speed.

There were a variety of knee depths and table widths to order, so you will find some older machines with a short knee and a narrow table occasionally.

The Bridgeport name has changed hands a number of times over the years, and the main body casting has changed some as well. Older machines had a neat little door compartment in the main casting. When Textron bought Bridgeport, they did away with that. Pretty sure Hardinge hasn't brought it back.

Not trying to be pedantic, but as a machinist, its my duty to obsess over little details.

Carry on!
 

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I tried running a pointed end mill (I've lost my words tonight as I'm exhausted) across the foot pedal to make a waffle pattern and while it worked it's not all that clean. I'm not sure what I could have done to make it better besides not using stainless but I accepted it as good enough and welded the whole thing up.

Gregor

Glad you got the rubber working for something other than as a barrier between my ice water and my surface plate. Though I need a new surface plate coaster now.

For the next time you do this ;) ...if you want it to take longer AND have a better finish, set the piece at a 45° angle and cut the grooves with a standard (carbide) endmill. Having the manually do the steps will be a bummer, but the cutting part of the tool will have a more constant surface speed so you'll get better results.

The same concept applies to bending dies and tube blocks where you're using a ball end mill. The center of the tool isn't moving very fast so it's not great at cutting or removing waste. If cutting a tube block, you can tilt your head and make sure you're using the knee to adjust for depth. If using a rotab for a bending die, offset the endmill by a known quantity, do a little trig to compensate and you'll get a MUCH easier cutting with a better surface finish.

This technique is especially useful if you're using big ball end mills.
 

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Hey look at that... I found the end.

*applause*

There's really nothing I can say to compliment you that hasn't been said already. I really wish you wouldn't have gotten burned out on the house as that's what I loved most about this thread, but I'm kinda glad you did because you are such an eclectic tornado of activities.

If the world had more people with your drive and tenacity we would all be better off.

*outro applause*
 
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Hey look at that... I found the end.

*applause*

There's really nothing I can say to compliment you that hasn't been said already. I really wish you wouldn't have gotten burned out on the house as that's what I loved most about this thread, but I'm kinda glad you did because you are such an eclectic tornado of activities.

If the world had more people with your drive and tenacity we would all be better off.

*outro applause*

The house isn't done by a long shot and I tend to do that work when the weather is better so I can do the finishing outside. Doors to the garage are next and then stairs.

So you haven't gotten to the end yet - just for now.

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So Nadia's 10th birthday was this weekend and preparing for her slumber party and the ritual cleaning of the house before the housecleaner comes (which I still don't get - I never washed my clothes before I sent them to the laundry...) but I took the opportunity to get a little bit of work in.

Namely body work.

The seat and tank are vintage Champion that I bought over 10 years ago for this bike. That's a long time for a project to sit and I wasn't really very critical when I bought it. I also never considered this bike would end up quite as serious as it has. It was supposed to just get the engine from my other bike and then be a glorified pit bike. Now, it's morphed into the most serious XR100 flat tracker ever built and BIKE EXIF has asked to feature it. So pressure is mounting.

I like pressure.

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The seat has been crashed and repaired and has a decided twist to it. I've tried heating it but it's stubborn so I took it to the bandsaw and cut it nearly in half leaving only two inches of glass holding it together. It's a classic nip and tuck routine. The screw is helping introduce a twist back to straight.

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With it cut and clamped I used the coarse random mat fiberglass to hold it together from underneath after sanding that back significantly.

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After that dried I sanded the gapped area down and then glassed the top with the woven glass. It's a sloppy repair but it will be strong. I got good at doing trackside repairs when I was road racing. I tended to crash a lot or win. Win it or bin it as they say. So I became very familiar with quick and dirty fiberglass work.

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After knocking back the fiberglass with the Festool sander (does an amazing job sucking up the dust) I slathered the seat with body putty to help even it out. Both the glass and the putty are on the heavy side but I wanted to make sure I was building up the side that was less full after the tuck.

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There's still a slight twist to the very tip of the tail but it's about 90% better than it was 12 hours before this.

Surprisingly there was a painter who has been following along on the IG stories and asked if he could contribute to the project by painting the seat and tank. Heck yeah, I wrote back. I was sort of dreading making a plastic tent and or spraying outside. It's been 10 years since I wielded a paint gun in anger (and I was very angry at my paint guns) and with the motor to build I wasn't looking forward to the hassle.

So Kyle is going to swing by tomorrow and check out the body work. I got some engine parts which I'll go over tomorrow but included in the lot was the intake and between that and the large Lectron carb it's going to be very hard to make the carb fit without cutting the tank.

But it is significantly straighter and with the option of real paint on the table I may shelve the idea of doing the tank and seat in aluminum. Still to do is breaking the frame down to do all the final welding so I can drop it for nickel on Monday.

My todo list is significantly heavier on the "done" front but there's still a lot to do. Also, it's not enough to get the bike looking done. I want the full cinderella story - I want to pull the bike off it's display and then enter it in the Mad Dog race with Scott on board and see how it stacks up. It's a long shot since there will be no test time but that's the goal regardless.

Go big or go home. Or maybe both.

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$50 says Gregor has some sort of German/Italian, hand crafted,heavy duty, mil-spec bags to sort all his pieces during breakdown.

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$50 says Gregor has some sort of German/Italian, hand crafted,heavy duty, mil-spec bags to sort all his pieces during breakdown.

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Now just to spite you he is going to upload pictures of festool and starrett stuff packed in used walmart bags...
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Gregor, I'm finally getting off my *** to chime in on this thread. I've been following it since day one, having been linked here from your also incredible ADVRider Mission Creep thread. We have quite a bit in common, mostly a love for building and riding motorcycles (both dirt and track), a love of learning and building and doing for one's self instead of hiring things out, a son and daughter that have to be about the same age as yours, my wife is a professional photographer, and I own a house (mine much older) that's been a huuuuuuge project from the start. I'm no Gregor Halenda, but I try!

I opened this account a long time ago, but this is my first post. I've been building my dream shop for nearly five years now, and I wanted to share with this community, but the build went so slowly that I held off on posting because I didn't want the pressure to constantly make progress. In the meantime, I learned SO much from this forum--your thread in particular, but also many others.

I'm "done enough" with my build now, so I'm going to share the story pretty soon, but I wanted my first post to be in this thread so I can say thank you for sharing all that you have here and being an inspiration for me to press on with my project--you and many of the commenters on this thread that have lead me down some pretty amazing rabbit holes of their own!

I've got a buddy showing a bike at the One Show this year, but I'm unable to make it down with him. Maybe next year I'll come down and hopefully shake your hand.

Alright, I've fanboid out enough for one post... Good luck finishing the bike.
 
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$50 says Gregor has some sort of German/Italian, hand crafted,heavy duty, mil-spec bags to sort all his pieces during breakdown.

Now just to spite you he is going to upload pictures of festool and starrett stuff packed in used walmart bags...
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Actually neither. I reuse the zillion McMaster Carr zip locks that I keep stuffed in a drawer. Despite the appearances I try to reuse as much as possible. The lead up to this project has been a near constant stream of parts though.

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So I took the head to Baisley High Performance to have them open the exhaust and match the intake port to the intake. Ryan said that they've been super busy and they have a 1 year lead time on full engine builds but he was happy to help me out and squeezed me into the queue.

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The intake was matched up perfectly and he did a bit of clean up on the port as well. I was told that the Kitaco exhaust port was the same on all their heads regardless of displacement and needed to be opened up for the larger engine and Ryan said he'd look at it and possibly make the port D shaped.

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Much to my surprise when I went to pick up the head he said he didn't want to touch the exhaust port. He spoke to his dad and they both thought that the smaller port was an advantage. I was confused as the stock head (100cc on the right) has an opviously bigger exhaust port but Dan remarked that it was a pretty bad design. "Most of the time on these sort of small heads like CB160 race bikes we're actually welding the intakes up to make the port smaller. You want the higher velocity of the smaller port. It's up to you but if you're planning on racing this you want the throttle response that the small port is going to give you."

I get the theory but it's hard to wrap my head around an engine being 50% larger with an exhaust port that is almost 50% smaller. I asked about header size and length and they did some quick calculations and said that I should run 1" straight out of the head for 6" before turning and for 8" total, 14" at 1.25 and then finish at 1.5" for a total length of 40"

Since there's no specs, no baseline or anything else I'm going to go with as close to that as I can until I can get the bike on a dyno. I'm going to make the sections slip fits with springs so that I can easily lengthen or change them.

Another point which was interesting was when I asked if the port should be blended to the larger exhaust tube, "No, you want that step there - you want to do anything you can to disrupt any reverse pulse to the head so the step helps that"

I have a lot to think about but the exhaust will be fun no matter what. There's no chance it will work great out of the box but after the bike has been run on the dyno we can start to figure out what works and doesn't.

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This is Kyle - he works for a company that restores DC-3's and was following me on IG and messaged me to see if he could donate paint to the project. He suggested silver metal flake and black and he had me at flake. I have a thing for metal flake. I've toned down my love of flames but flake is something I just adore so I was all about that. We bounced some ideas around and I shared with him my concept for a design that I thought would look cool and be a subtle nod to the bikes purpose. So between our combined ideas we came up with a plan.

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Kyle also saw the seat pan and asked what I was doing about that. I said I had no time for a seat and was just going to do some glued down foam. "Well, I can do upohlstry too - you want me to make you a seat?" Seriously? So the seat will be some diamond stitched leather from a DC-3 interior restoration which honestly is about as cool as I can imagine.

It's a little scary to hand off the seat and tank to someone you've only just met and haven't seen anything from but I tend to trust people and my gut. Besides, my only option was going to be rattle cans on the driveway. It's got to be better than that.

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So with the tank, seat and subframe gone with Kyle I pulled the engine and set about welding the tacked up mounts.

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And with the frame welded up I headed down to TFC Plating to drop off the frame for nickel. They use an electroless nickel coating and while it won't damage the frame they said that the welds can sometimes be porous or not perfect and that can affect the quality of the nickel. Well, you pays your money and you take your chances so I'm crossing my fingers.

Paint and the frame should both be done by Friday. That gives me maybe 5 days to assemble the engine and bike and account for mistakes or errors. It's a long shot that it will work first go but I'm doing everything I can to make sure I have every nut, bolt, gasket and part I'll need to put the bike together. I'm basically out of time to order any parts after Saturday so fingers crossed I didn't miss anything.

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Gregor, I'm finally getting off my *** to chime in on this thread. I've been following it since day one, having been linked here from your also incredible ADVRider Mission Creep thread...
I opened this account a long time ago, but this is my first post.

Wow, thanks. If you do decide to head down drop me a note here - we're going to have a party the night before the show. Against Jwoo's wishes but well, she always enjoys a party, she just hates preparing for them.

I'm glad that a lot of people have gained some inspiration here. I get a lot of satisfaction from learning and doing things and I really love to share the knowledge so it works both ways.

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Funny you mentioned the McMaster Carr zip-lock bags Gregor. I do the exact same thing. I keep them in a box in one of my storage cabinets and when I need one I find a size that closely matches my needs and reuse it. I even use masking tape to label the bag so I can merely remove the masking tape and reuse the bag again, and again and again.
 

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I'm guilty of having stored my lunch sammich in a Mcmaster ziplock bag. They started putting holes in some of them though, makes it harder to store stuff in the fridge.
 

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Another point which was interesting was when I asked if the port should be blended to the larger exhaust tube, "No, you want that step there - you want to do anything you can to disrupt any reverse pulse to the head so the step helps that"

Gregor,

if possible do the same with the steps in the tube. Don't make a nice cone blending in the step up to the next size, make it a as hard step up as possible, for the same reason, stops the reverse pulses at each junction.

Looking good so far!
 
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This is Kyle - he works for a company that restores DC-3's and was following me on IG and messaged me to see if he could donate paint to the project. He suggested silver metal flake and black and he had me at flake. I have a thing for metal flake. I've toned down my love of flames but flake is something I just adore so I was all about that. We bounced some ideas around and I shared with him my concept for a design that I thought would look cool and be a subtle nod to the bikes purpose. So between our combined ideas we came up with a plan.

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Kyle also saw the seat pan and asked what I was doing about that. I said I had no time for a seat and was just going to do some glued down foam. "Well, I can do upohlstry too - you want me to make you a seat?" Seriously? So the seat will be some diamond stitched leather from a DC-3 interior restoration which honestly is about as cool as I can imagine.

It's a little scary to hand off the seat and tank to someone you've only just met and haven't seen anything from but I tend to trust people and my gut. Besides, my only option was going to be rattle cans on the driveway. It's got to be better than that.

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So with the tank, seat and subframe gone with Kyle I pulled the engine and set about welding the tacked up mounts.

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And with the frame welded up I headed down to TFC Plating to drop off the frame for nickel. They use an electroless nickel coating and while it won't damage the frame they said that the welds can sometimes be porous or not perfect and that can affect the quality of the nickel. Well, you pays your money and you take your chances so I'm crossing my fingers.

Paint and the frame should both be done by Friday. That gives me maybe 5 days to assemble the engine and bike and account for mistakes or errors. It's a long shot that it will work first go but I'm doing everything I can to make sure I have every nut, bolt, gasket and part I'll need to put the bike together. I'm basically out of time to order any parts after Saturday so fingers crossed I didn't miss anything.

Gregor
DC-3's are my favorite cargo aircraft. Does Kyle have a website with pics of his restorations?
 
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