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JPinSTL

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I went for the Plasma on June 18th. Offered $1000 and wad accepted within a couple of hrs, then ordered. Received tracking info on Fri the 19th. Status was shipping info received, no itinital movement or weight. Tracking Info has not updated over the weekend. I used PayPal and a Credit Card so I should not be out anything? Hope I see my HyperTherm. If not I'll continue to use my HF#95136 (best $650 I ever spent there and the only high dollar item) with zero complaints.
 
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Guess he was to lazy to declare 70lbs on mine and just left it at 0.2. Is it nice paper at least?

Also, how can you not know how to post pics on a forum? I still want to see a pic of something and the shipping label.
 
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That *****, I was hoping people would get 70 lbs of something. :(

csmitty - it cost a lot more fr him to ship "70 lbs" than .2, he just got greedy :)
 
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Yea thats true. And what I probably figured. However I figured I'd let it play out. Going to make a call though. I really needed a motor for my air compressor anyways. Guess I wont unload the Hobart 140 just yet.
 
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RXtacy said:
So should one refuse the package, or accept delivery?
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I don't think it matters. Generally it's a good idea to not get it, since then the seller can't say you received it. But PayPal is going to make these right either way.
 
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RXtacy said:
So should one refuse the package, or accept delivery?
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This guy is going to have a bunch of chargebacks on the account he used. PayPal is going to know immediately that it was a scam, so I would just accept it so you can show them what you actually received.
 
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Straight from ebay:

"""Generally, the buyer is responsible for accepting the item when it arrives. If the buyer refuses delivery, their claim is not eligible for the eBay Money Back Guarantee.

Exceptions:

The buyer can provide, via written proof from the carrier, that they refused the package because it arrived empty or was damaged in shipping

The buyer accepted and opened the package only to determine that it was an empty box

The item arrived COD because it didn't have enough postage on it"""

Its easiest to accept the package for whatever it is then file the claim.
 
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ishiboo said:
I don't think it matters. Generally it's a good idea to not get it, since then the seller can't say you received it. But PayPal is going to make these right either way.
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This guy will not answer anymore emails, he is done with the scam. Sending the envelopes was his swan song. In some horrible way, he did a great job (as far as the scam goes). I just hope everyone does actually get the money back. This is the biggest scam I have ever heard about involving ebay/paypal so it should be interesting having a thread that allows us to be on the inside.
 
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I've been following this thread all along and enjoying the show and popcorn.

Here's hoping the scammer was dumb enough to use his home address. Some of the GJ and PBB folks could go visit him!

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RXtacy said:
So should one refuse the package, or accept delivery?
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I just asked ebay that question. They basically said I'm covered whether I refuse or accept delivery, but the guy really didn't seem too knowledgeable. Not sure what I'm going to do if I get a envelope...
 
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ER70S-2 said:
I just asked ebay that question. They basically said I'm covered whether I refuse or accept delivery, but the guy really didn't seem too knowledgeable. Not sure what I'm going to do if I get a envelope...
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You have a duty to accept it, this way you can show us what is inside.
 
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Im slow, but Im not understanding how this scam works ultimately. So the seller sold a bunch of welders for $600-700 a piece, as many as 200 units? Then he sent envelopes in order to buy himself time to purchase high end items on eBay?

At the end of the day, since we're talking $120,000 in fraudulent, ill-gotten gains, can't Paypal & eBay alert the local police of whatever location the high end items he bought are being shipped to? With all the charge backs and paypal claims, it should be enough probable cause for the local PD to have a look see and a chat.

What am Im missing? It should be pretty simple to track this guy down once law enforcement steps into the game. Most times scammer get away with their scam because its so small potatoes, no one wants to devote time & resources in finding and fixing. But at 6 figure losses, that should change, right?
 
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6MocoA said:
Im slow, but Im not understanding how this scam works ultimately. So the seller sold a bunch of welders for $600-700 a piece, as many as 200 units? Then he sent envelopes in order to buy himself time to purchase high end items on eBay?

At the end of the day, since we're talking $120,000 in fraudulent, ill-gotten gains, can't Paypal & eBay alert the local police of whatever location the high end items he bought are being shipped to? With all the charge backs and paypal claims, it should be enough probable cause for the local PD to have a look see and a chat.

What am Im missing? It should be pretty simple to track this guy down once law enforcement steps into the game. Most times scammer get away with their scam because its so small potatoes, no one wants to devote time & resources in finding and fixing. But at 6 figure losses, that should change, right?
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There was theoretically enough time to clean out the bank account and head for the hills. The purchased items could even be another smoke show sent to some unsuspecting dupe.
 
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6MocoA said:
Im slow, but Im not understanding how this scam works ultimately. So the seller sold a bunch of welders for $600-700 a piece, as many as 200 units? Then he sent envelopes in order to buy himself time to purchase high end items on eBay?

At the end of the day, since we're talking $120,000 in fraudulent, ill-gotten gains, can't Paypal & eBay alert the local police of whatever location the high end items he bought are being shipped to? With all the charge backs and paypal claims, it should be enough probable cause for the local PD to have a look see and a chat.

What am Im missing? It should be pretty simple to track this guy down once law enforcement steps into the game. Most times scammer get away with their scam because its so small potatoes, no one wants to devote time & resources in finding and fixing. But at 6 figure losses, that should change, right?
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The account was more than likely hacked. Someone from nigeria or bumfuckegypt is probably behind it. Maybe because of the dollar amount the police might put a few extra hours of work into it but unfortunately, they will probably get away with it. In the end, the money is paid back from seller fees.
 
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Fordman7795 said:
The account was more than likely hacked. Someone from nigeria or bumfuckegypt is probably behind it. Maybe because of the dollar amount the police might put a few extra hours of work into it but unfortunately, they will probably get away with it. In the end, the money is paid back from seller fees.
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There was definitely a local element, someone shipped the envelopes form Canada. They probably had local access to the money as well. I would guess if paypal all the sudden started to transfer money to Nigeria, they would lock the account down.
 
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Fordman7795 said:
The account was more than likely hacked. Someone from nigeria or bumfuckegypt is probably behind it. Maybe because of the dollar amount the police might put a few extra hours of work into it but unfortunately, they will probably get away with it. In the end, the money is paid back from seller fees.
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How do you explain the physical FedEx shipments if this was a Nigerian hacker?
 
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sorry for the guys that got scammed, maybe with the scammer declaring the package 70 lbs and its just a envelope it'll be easier for you guys to get your money back sooner than later
 
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I was on the trail of a Nigerian scammer a few years ago when I worked for a regional retailer. Purchases were made on our site with stolen credit cards and sent to a verified address. Somehow they were able to get UPS to change the shipping destination to a different address in the US, yet the person who lived there wasn't involved. They would simply drop the package off, and someone would pick it up from their doorstep. Quite a coordinated ring since the scammer was truly Nigerian (was able to access his Myspace account and email).
 
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ER70S-2 said:
The guy now has 7 negative feedbacks and one neutral. Neutral?
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We need to be more accepting of all transfeedback ebayers.



I have a garbage tracking number... Almost called paypal today but it's killing me to see what these guys get from fedex first.
 
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