Limegreen70
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Thrilling thread lol but at the risk of sounding stupid weren't some guys suppose to receive a 70 pound package? this thread is getting a lot of attention on other forums.
Miller 211 Welder
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Mine said 70 pounds and it was a bubble wrapped envelope. Same with the dude on Pirate 4x4.
Strouty
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The scammer listed them at 70 pounds, but they were just envelopes. It was all part of the scam.
elronin
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Check out my new welder...
I see you got the spool gun with your order nice
elronin
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Ummmm Sorry Fedex is a corporation it has nothing to do with United Stated Postal Service. The Postal Police will not get involved..
I feel bad for the guys involved and hope their wives don't find out or they will get an I told you so
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Sorry my friend but it's the same thing. I'm not gonna go into detail, but fedex and ups are under the same laws that gov usps in mail fraud. Mail fraud doesn't mean usps only...
kunkernator
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Well, at least there is closure in a sense. Everyone was waiting for their "box of bricks", at least we know what the verdict was. I dont think I have ever seen an instance in the past when Paypal has NOT sided with the buyer. It ***** that this "seller" made off with a lot of cash, but at least you guys will be covered.
On another note, has anyone mentioned what the return address was on the envelopes? Legit at all, or some ******** address?
On another note, has anyone mentioned what the return address was on the envelopes? Legit at all, or some ******** address?
Amphicar770
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Damn. I do feel for all those who got ripped off. I suppose the biggest red flag for me was when seller started saying how he brings them over the border to save buyers any customs fees. It sounded like over the top bs.
I got scammed many years back on evilbay, befit they offered any form of buyer protection. eBay was of no help at all in those days. The guy was eventually arrested and was facing serious jail time. I got a letter from his attorney where he was trying to work a plea and offering partial restitution. I replied to him and the judge that I would rather see him in jail than accept partial payment but that if he did reimburse me I expected 3 days wages in addition to compensate for lost hours playing detective. I eventually got a check from his lawyer for the money and my time. I will say that the experience made me much wiser in future transactions.
I got scammed many years back on evilbay, befit they offered any form of buyer protection. eBay was of no help at all in those days. The guy was eventually arrested and was facing serious jail time. I got a letter from his attorney where he was trying to work a plea and offering partial restitution. I replied to him and the judge that I would rather see him in jail than accept partial payment but that if he did reimburse me I expected 3 days wages in addition to compensate for lost hours playing detective. I eventually got a check from his lawyer for the money and my time. I will say that the experience made me much wiser in future transactions.
Lx460
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I'm fairly sure if he was smart enough to dupe 200 people out of several hundred dollars each, he would be smart enough not to put his real address on the envelope. Just sayin'...
Strouty
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Gillaca is up to 9 negatives now.
kunkernator
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I'm fairly sure if he was smart enough to dupe 200 people out of several hundred dollars each, he would be smart enough not to put his real address on the envelope. Just sayin'...
Well I wouldnt expect it to be his. But was it;
Mr. P. Enis
666 ******** Road
Bikini Bottom, USA
Or something that was believable.
I kinda wish this **** had a bit of a sense of humor. I know I would have at least printed a picture of a Miller 211 and throw it in the envelope.
From: (604) 210-1810
Derick Chung
Hub Space Distribution
1500 West Georgia
Unit #701
Vancouver, BC V7Y1C6
CA
Strouty
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10 negatives and rising. I really wish we could read the feedbacks.
mmack66
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I'm fairly sure if he was smart enough to dupe 200 people out of several hundred dollars each, he would be smart enough not to put his real address on the envelope. Just sayin'...
Quite frankly, he didn't need to be very smart at all.
rice rocket
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Well at least you guys didn't have to pay customs fees.
Ign
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Wouldn't Paypal likely be insured on something like this? Like how appliance dealers offer free appliances if the local team wins the Superbowl?
bczygan
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I'm checking Ebay.
Since he didn't send you guys your welders..........he probably has a bunch left, and I can grab one!
Since he didn't send you guys your welders..........he probably has a bunch left, and I can grab one!
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sucking chest wound
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I think it's been said a few times in this thread already: law enforcement does not care and they will not be involved in this. This type of fraud, along with identity fraud, various scams, etc is absolutely rampant.
You'd need a dedicated agency staffed with tens of thousands of people, field offices around the country, liasons worldwide, and a massive budget just on this problem alone to make any traction.
Law enforcement is only likely to be involved if PayPal or eBay or some other large corporate entity decides it needs to be. They know what buttons to push to get LE involved. Deal with them and don't waste your time fantasizing about following the FBI tac team on a no-knock warrant because it's not going to happen. Sorry to be blunt, I can sympathize and it's very frustrating to see that this happened to you guys.
getblown5.9
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Their corporate office is in MD...trust me they pay taxes. This state taxes businesses so much that they are leaving in droves to go to places like Texas.
Their corporate headquarters is actually in San Jose. But they are probably incorporated in Delaware or whatever to try and avoid whatever taxes they can.
Spudland_Dave
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Sad to say but very true... How many "huge" data breaches have we seen & had? All we see is a short clip on the various news channels on how many were affected, others who were recently affected...and then Nothing...No criminal investigation, they don't even try. Much more profitable to be out busting people for 12 over the speed limit.
elronin
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Yea I guess you've worked cases with postal police before? they will only work USPS cases. Now the FBI on the other hand would, but this is a small amount of money, they rather go after medicade fraud which is in the billions of tax payers money.
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Originally Posted by gungatim
anyone by chance able to send their package in to get it fingerprinted? would be a nice ending if he left prints and was in the system...
I think it's been said a few times in this thread already: law enforcement does not care and they will not be involved in this. This type of fraud, along with identity fraud, various scams, etc is absolutely rampant."
yeah but my point was, anybody know a LEO that could run them just to find out who it really is...expose the guy like they do on the pirate4x4 site...You know, Jim Rockford would find a way...
Originally Posted by gungatim
anyone by chance able to send their package in to get it fingerprinted? would be a nice ending if he left prints and was in the system...
I think it's been said a few times in this thread already: law enforcement does not care and they will not be involved in this. This type of fraud, along with identity fraud, various scams, etc is absolutely rampant."
yeah but my point was, anybody know a LEO that could run them just to find out who it really is...expose the guy like they do on the pirate4x4 site...You know, Jim Rockford would find a way...
bczygan
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I didn't even order one, and it's still a big letdown.
The deal was just enough better than the Miller sale going on now, as to be believable.
But lots of little warning signs, so along with not having the cash or credit, didn't get in on it.
Sad for those who had their hopes up and tried.
Hope they all get refunded in a timely fashion.
Bill
The deal was just enough better than the Miller sale going on now, as to be believable.
But lots of little warning signs, so along with not having the cash or credit, didn't get in on it.
Sad for those who had their hopes up and tried.
Hope they all get refunded in a timely fashion.
Bill
elronin
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You can't just run prints, you have to be working a case in order to run prints, that is if you had any good ones. No police officer is going to risk his job to run a set on prints to out someone. Every time I run a license plate, a driver licenses, or someone by name and dob, it get noted into the system. If the person you ran is arrested for lets say murder, or other serious crimes it will show a record of every officer that has done a check on the person. It's not gonna happen.
Lx460
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That only works on Hollywood cop shows and movies. Like said above there is a trail of information. You can't just run a person's information without cause let alone submit a piece of paper to forensics and have them process it just "because".
6MocoA
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Is it me or has this thread taken all the air out of the Hot Deals section for the last few days? It seems like every one is in here and no one is posting any hot deals.
^^^this
Does any of you realized that this is not really in FBI jurisdiction ? The Seller/ scammer is in Canada, Its a different country as far as I know. The buyers are probably most likely all US. Maybe our Canadian GJ folks could tell us what their law enforcement do in these cases... as far as the FBI cases, I think years ago, the minimum quota for them to open a case is $5000, Not sure now. I could be wrong,. and definitely not sure if 200+ of $700 is consider 200+ cases or one $140000 fraud. Better chance if Ebay/Paypal is requesting than any of us. But the Canadian FBI equivalent will definitely have get involved. But the reality of this, the scammer could be long gone by the time All agencies get their acts together,
I was so tempted for the PM45. but some one got to it before me.... not too sure if that is lucky or not.
my conspiracy theory is still that scammer is some one reading this thread or some one in this thread.
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Lassen Forge
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I wonder this...
Since it's office paper, torn from a pad of paper... could they lift fingerprints from it?
Also, since it involved overseas shipping (Canada to the US) wouldn't it be in the FBI's purveyance now?
Too bad none of it went through the mail... Postal inspectors are bulldogs.
Since it's office paper, torn from a pad of paper... could they lift fingerprints from it?
Also, since it involved overseas shipping (Canada to the US) wouldn't it be in the FBI's purveyance now?
Too bad none of it went through the mail... Postal inspectors are bulldogs.
mmack66
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LB-1911
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Been down that road a few pages back......
all I was suggesting was someone find who he is and expose him, not that the FBI would build a case...
and in my area, LEO's are not exactly known for following the rules. like nobody here's ever been illegally searched? or had civil forfeiture for no reason? It happens...more than you'd think...not trying to be political just saying i'm surprised nobody knows someone who could or would try and run a print...
I don't have a dog in this hunt anyway, so i'm out...
and in my area, LEO's are not exactly known for following the rules. like nobody here's ever been illegally searched? or had civil forfeiture for no reason? It happens...more than you'd think...not trying to be political just saying i'm surprised nobody knows someone who could or would try and run a print...
I don't have a dog in this hunt anyway, so i'm out...
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Kirby155
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Well i found this sight today after doing a search for user Ebay user gillaca, i ordered a Pm45 a week or so ago from him, you guys that got a piece of paper i got you beat, i got a Betty Crocker non stick cooling rack for my $1495, already got a claim filed with eBay and PayPal, lesson learned!
