Model A Ford garage

[bolensboneyard]

BB: not sure if this might help, but can you weld some small steel plates to the end of those rods so if it starts to move in the dirt the plates would dig in and keep it from moving much?

the new fence/gate sounds nice so hope to see a few pictures when you get time to post a few.

BTW I used to take all my digital pictures with a Kodak camera (I own two of them and one is still new in box from 2008), but when the new cell phone's cameras came out that were as good or better i haven't looked back and been taking pictures on my cell phone ever since.

good luck!!

drives that is what I considered but ended up with plates that I could pin if necessary. thanks for your input

 

[bolensboneyard]

Vibration in a six cylinder engine, it moves me.

I think if it were on wooden sleepers it would not move an inch. I don't see why your design would do anything except maybe induce a little vibration because the legs are relatively slender. But who doesn't like slender legs?

Fire it up and see what happens! You can always make changes cheaply.

Don't forget to put the oil pump drive shaft in...

Thanks Andy. I ended up putting plates on the ends prepared to take a stake or two. What was there before was pipe and the scrap welded to the bottom was, I believe, an attempt to stabilize. I may put a block of pressure treated wood under each leg. I did not want to start purchasing new steel and spending a lot of time burning off what was there, and the rest of the frame is designed well. Everything you see is done with what I had on hand. Problem is, I have no means to remanufacture once I move the plant except to bring it back across the street to the shop. Lift hook is not in the center of balance and the fork lift is at its max when moving. Awkward moving across the highway as traffic moves at 75 MPH. If I have a problem it will be a real problem.

 

[dlcwent]

Let's hope the "cross road" journey goes without a hitch Bobby.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Let's hope the "cross road" journey goes without a hitch Bobby.

Thanks Dan.

 

[bolensboneyard]

This is it. Three more to weld next week. There is a little movement inside the pipe which should help; if not I'll make some pins.

 

[oldironfarmer]

That looks good.

Is the long pipe welded to the short pipe? Or are you going to cross drill and pin when you get it leveled? A little play between the pipes will let the engine dance to it's own tune and not try to walk away.

Andy sees logs
Bobby saws logs
Ginny gets gifts

 

[bolensboneyard]

That looks good.

Is the long pipe welded to the short pipe? Or are you going to cross drill and pin when you get it leveled? A little play between the pipes will let the engine dance to it's own tune and not try to walk away.

Andy sees logs
Bobby saws logs
Ginny gets gifts

The long 'Pipe" is actually an 1 1/4 hot rolled steel bar. I already have leveled it within 3/4 inch on center with the mandrel for the saw blade. They have been drill (cross) with 3/8 drill and are not welded so the whole bar can spin!

 

[bolensboneyard]

Finally got my 100lb Bridgeport vise set up on the old Camelback. Used it to drill 1 1/4 round bar. No movement at all. Sweet!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Nice one Bobby..

 

[oldironfarmer]

Nice vise!!

 

[bolensboneyard]

Nice one Bobby..

Thanks Steve

Thanks Andy

Forgot to mention, I made the handle out of scraps from the cut off saw. Everything should have been too short for anything else.

 

[Bob Heine]

Bobby, the Camelback drill press is nice and that vise looks right at home but the handle is the cherry on top. Only problem is you are encouraging us to save little scraps of metal. From the looks of the first photo, little scraps of wood as well. At least you aren't encouraging us to save the metal and wood shavings. I'll leave that to Andy's side business: Steel Wool Weaving & Sawdust Speedy Dry/Fire Starter Inc.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Bobby, the Camelback drill press is nice and that vise looks right at home but the handle is the cherry on top. Only problem is you are encouraging us to save little scraps of metal. From the looks of the first photo, little scraps of wood as well. At least you aren't encouraging us to save the metal and wood shavings. I'll leave that to Andy's side business: Steel Wool Weaving & Sawdust Speedy Dry/Fire Starter Inc.

Right on Bob. Tip of the week for frugality. Cat litter makes great speedy dry. It's not necessarily cheaper out of the bag but if someone (can't imagine who) is willing to recycle it(saving the large clumps for Halloween tricks) they could end up with it for half price and have fun too!

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: once you get the mill up and running the sawdust might be even better than kittie litter for oil spills.

after Michael blew threw is your weather about perfect or are you still in the rainy season? the old saying the calm before the storm or maybe its the calm after the storm seems to ring true up here, but not sure that's true in HURRICANE COUNTRY.

cheers and hope you have a fun and/or productive day!!

 

[bolensboneyard]

BB: once you get the mill up and running the sawdust might be even better than kittie litter for oil spills.

after Michael blew threw is your weather about perfect or are you still in the rainy season? the old saying the calm before the storm or maybe its the calm after the storm seems to ring true up here, but not sure that's true in HURRICANE COUNTRY.

cheers and hope you have a fun and/or productive day!!

drives its been relatively dry here. I have been inside working on the power plant for the mill. Of course, I need to detail the GT Mustang tomorrow for the biggest show of the year on Saturday and the forecast is 60%rain for tomorrow.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Left side of the engine had paint all over everything that does not get painted; including wires. I got most of it, put in new points, and a new fuel pump. Hopefully, the alt. is good? I also worked on my design for operating the clutch.

 

[oldironfarmer]

The alternator certainly looks good! If it's not, run and extension cord to recharge the battery between runs

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: I bet the way you detail your 66 that the rain just falls off. have fun at the show and if you can maybe take a few more pics of your 66 and the other cool cars of your friends.

cheers

 

[bolensboneyard]

The alternator certainly looks good! If it's not, run and extension cord to recharge the battery between runs

Thanks Andy. I have no reason to believe it will not charge. However, after the chase with the carb. and the fuel pump I'm not ready to deal with it. In the early sixties mustang the charging circuit went from generator to alternator with a voltage regulator, to alt. with solid state regulator. This one has the solid state regulator, and under old school rules I could match it up. It's finding a real parts person who can get past inputting the computer that's the problem, so I'm rolling the dice. I still have to tackle the instrument wiring but I'm not concerned. The vacuum switch, if it works, either has to be off to start or on. The other position for run. Give a guess which? I believe it assists the governor when running. Why it would need two positions, probably so the gov. doesn't sense starting surge as a reason to kick in; thereby flooding the carburetor? Hey, sounds like an engineering evaluation! Hope I'm right.

 

[bolensboneyard]

BB: I bet the way you detail your 66 that the rain just falls off. have fun at the show and if you can maybe take a few more pics of your 66 and the other cool cars of your friends.

cheers

Thanks drives. We didn't get any rain today so, hopefully, it's not coming tomorrow! I will try to remember the camera. If I forget, I'll win big for sure. I'll have to put Ginny on it. She remembers it when I task her to be responsible. She just forgets to take pictures. Must be love; or senility?

 

[dchance]

Sawmill engine looks good.

Dwight

 

[bolensboneyard]

Sawmill engine looks good.

Dwight

Thanks Dwight. I'm trying to get the mill up and running for Thanksgiving. The friend who helped me move the power plant is coming and I want him to see it running.

 

[bolensboneyard]

This is my design for operating the clutch on the power plant. I used a Model A emergency brake handle. Unfortunately, the pawl does not work backwards due to the design of the handle. I made a lock bar that slides under the handle in the loaded position to keep it disengaged. It is held in by clutch pressure very nicely but I still will not trust it with my life. It's only for start up and emg. shutdown. The spring helps a little as I have to use one arm to operate. It is close to the driveshaft; which will also have a guard.

 

[bolensboneyard]

The show drew cars from 4 states. Took 2nd place.

 

[Joe-R]

Nice job Bobby!!! Ya gotta love those old Mustangs!

Joe

 

[1/2 Cup]

The show drew cars from 4 states. Took 2nd place.

Congratulations Bobby.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Congratulations on the trophy!

Clutch release looks good! I like the Model A brake lever. Do you have some way of unloading the throwout bearing in the released position?

 

[Bob Heine]

Bobby, congratulations on the trophy and on getting the sawmill closer to making sawdust. Who's that kid holding the trophy? Oh I see, it's the smile and sunglasses that threw me off.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Congratulations on the trophy!

Clutch release looks good! I like the Model A brake lever. Do you have some way of unloading the throwout bearing in the released position?

Thanks Andy. I only loaded the spring enough to pull to the point where the load is ready to move (about half a turn on the nut at most) so I do not lose 1/3 of my lever in flexing steel. The throw out bearing is making little contact with the clutch fingers at the point of load. It's movement is pressure on the fingers from the start but no movement of the lever arm is apparent in the return position. Spring does little more than help the initial lift off (that's why the heavy spring) but it's quite a load for one arm in that first contact. I checked with hand pressure in the unload position and get no movement with the nut backed off. The return helper spring is very weak on these and without the linkage assy. not really needed. I will try to pry it with a bar in case some corrosion is keeping it from sliding on the shaft thereby keeping the bearing engaged and resting on the fingers. If so it should end up close to the same position at rest anyway. As it will sit most of the time some spin without pressure may be a good thing. I could probably start the engine in gear as I have the blade so well balanced I can move it easily with my little finger (no belt attached.) I want to control when the drive shaft starts moving though, although I don't know why as it will be six inches away from my arm once it is installed. In an emergency shut down it will be faster to his the ignition switch than disengage. Working on the mill is another matter.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Bobby, congratulations on the trophy and on getting the sawmill closer to making sawdust. Who's that kid holding the trophy? Oh I see, it's the smile and sunglasses that threw me off.

Thanks Bob, Andy, Joe, Steve.


It sure was a treat to walk away with an award in a show with that much competition. I lost a point for not have the national sticker in my window. I didn't even know the local club decal did not count, as it mentions national affiliation! Green kid! The first place winner was a beautiful car though. I'm thrilled with one of these awards as it is so unique and was hand crafted by talented club members. All the proceeds from the show go to helping kids with asthma too, and that has special meaning. My daughter is in her late forties and has been suffering from it for years.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Thanks Andy. I only loaded the spring enough to pull to the point where the load is ready to move (about half a turn on the nut at most) so I do not lose 1/3 of my lever in flexing steel. The throw out bearing is making little contact with the clutch fingers at the point of load. It's movement is pressure on the fingers from the start but no movement of the lever arm is apparent in the return position. Spring does little more than help the initial lift off (that's why the heavy spring) but it's quite a load for one arm in that first contact. I checked with hand pressure in the unload position and get no movement with the nut backed off. The return helper spring is very weak on these and without the linkage assy. not really needed. I will try to pry it with a bar in case some corrosion is keeping it from sliding on the shaft thereby keeping the bearing engaged and resting on the fingers. If so it should end up close to the same position at rest anyway. As it will sit most of the time some spin without pressure may be a good thing. I could probably start the engine in gear as I have the blade so well balanced I can move it easily with my little finger (no belt attached.) I want to control when the drive shaft starts moving though, although I don't know why as it will be six inches away from my arm once it is installed. In an emergency shut down it will be faster to his the ignition switch than disengage. Working on the mill is another matter.

Great analysis!

I eschew safety guards but as I get older and thing more about stumbling or maybe passing out I've decided those don't need to be life threatening events. I admire your concern for proper guards. It would have been handy if the transmission had an emergency brake, would make a blade brake in this application. Do you have a blade brake of any kind? They spin for a long time when you lose a belt, unless you're cutting, of course.

Still looking for sawdust.

And thanks for the additional information on the trophy.

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: Congrats on the award and not sure which pic i like better the car or you holding the trophy smiling. WELL DONE!!

if your 66 Mustang is mentioned earlier in the thread i'll have to go back and look for more posts about it cause I owned a couple. I had a 67 fastback with 3 speed manual and a 70 Mach 1 with a 428 cobra jet and it was an automatic. I wish the manual was in the 70 cause it burnt rubber with the auto.

anyway looks like you are making some progress with your power plant for the mill so best of luck with that.

also i'm not positive, but I heard a person's diet can help Asthma so maybe your daughter can get some relief by eating a bit different? one of my good friend's older brother died of Asthma when he was 12 and it was pretty sad that doctors couldn't help much.

take care

 

[bolensboneyard]

Great analysis!

I eschew safety guards but as I get older and thing more about stumbling or maybe passing out I've decided those don't need to be life threatening events. I admire your concern for proper guards. It would have been handy if the transmission had an emergency brake, would make a blade brake in this application. Do you have a blade brake of any kind? They spin for a long time when you lose a belt, unless you're cutting, of course.

Still looking for sawdust.

And thanks for the additional information on the trophy.

No blade brake. Have to give that some thought. I did check out the return on the clutch arm. I don't believe I would have gotten much, if any, spin on the throw out brg. but I put another nut behind the arm and centered it between full travel away and full travel toward engagement. It works out nicely as the Model A break locks in the return direction. When not engaged I lock it back which preloads the spring so the pressure is on the brake. Also less travel from there to loading clutch.

 

[bolensboneyard]

BB: Congrats on the award and not sure which pic i like better the car or you holding the trophy smiling. WELL DONE!!

if your 66 Mustang is mentioned earlier in the thread i'll have to go back and look for more posts about it cause I owned a couple. I had a 67 fastback with 3 speed manual and a 70 Mach 1 with a 428 cobra jet and it was an automatic. I wish the manual was in the 70 cause it burnt rubber with the auto.

anyway looks like you are making some progress with your power plant for the mill so best of luck with that.

also i'm not positive, but I heard a person's diet can help Asthma so maybe your daughter can get some relief by eating a bit different? one of my good friend's older brother died of Asthma when he was 12 and it was pretty sad that doctors couldn't help much.

take care

Thanks drives. I documented all of the work on the thread. Pictures show basic progress based on the total photos taken. Should give you an idea how far I went. drives start with pages 5 and 6

 

[Vieux]

The show drew cars from 4 states. Took 2nd place.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Thank you Vladimir. Great to hear from you! I know this is busy time of year for you my friend! Bobby

 

[bolensboneyard]

The engine for the power plant starts and run nicely! Clutch and throw out disengage fine. I took the kinks out of the hood and made front mounts for it to keep the radiator from getting dinged. Very small leak high in the radiator probably put some pepper in with the antifreeze. Need to change the oil and filter and may add an air filter; not sure yet as I don't want to mess up the Governor which appears to work well. If I pull on the chain it will kick in. Also seems to kick in on start even though there is no power to the vacuum switch. I repaired and installed the drive belt; should last a while. Moved the Model A dump to accommodate the engine. Only thing left for now is to move the engine over to the mill and install the drive shaft. NO vibration at all to the pads. Everything is smooth.

 

[don long]

Progress is a great thing at our age no matter how small.
congrats on the new trophy.

I pulled my 70 cobera jet mustang out the other day and made 2 left turns leaving the driveway and suddenly it wouldn't steer to the left any longer.
A good car show was missed but a new steering box solved my problem.

Watching to see the first log sawed into lumber.

Don

 

[1/2 Cup]

Bobby that's great to read that the powerplant runs well.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I'm smelling sawdust!!

Did you say there is no air cleaner on the engine?

Maybe there'll be no dust in the air