More Hercules to come

[dogdog]

The Bears a total HF schill more than KC is right now


The only real reason they held on to NiCad for so long was the tools were so cheap after LI ON tech took over.

Now older LI ON tech is cheaper IMO that's where their at now

Bottom line market is going to be flooded with cheap options

Personally don't really give two shits about the styling platform change

FYI I have nothing against HF

LOL just wanted you to view the commented at that 5:25 mark, it is addressing exactly what your claims of Hercules abandon platforms (almost 1.x years ago)... which I find my situation with the Sears Craftsman C3 19.2 right now... or that Dewalt example it has given, or Milwauikee or Makita have done so as well.. now if the Bear is a schill for HF or not, it doesn't matter, the fact is still there. which is doesn't matter which manufacture, they will abandon platforms, and have track record to as well...

Now whether the Bear is pro HF or not... here is the thing... we read about stuff, listen to people talk about stuff, what makes us Human and have more brain cells than most other zombies is our ability to think independently and process the information whats presented to us and see whats real and whats bias... otherwise we might as well joint a cult and just believe everything they feed us, save the brain cells for the zombies.. no? for me , it's value and functionality, whats I can afford and accomplish the task needed. as well as able to determine whats fake and whats manipulated reviews like those two recent ones... I don't think that comment have any fake news in it... it's actually history.. so unless you tell me you are so sort of psychic that can read into the future....

I am NOT paid by HF or Schill for HF, just voicing the differences, I don't like a lot of their tools now if some one come along and proof that hey this thing is ****... I would have read and process it as well... but so far the two Hercules product I have works fine ( which is the wobble impact extension, and the #2 bits), but plenty HF stuff ***** if I have bad exp about it, I don't hesitate to say it... like that extra long wrench sets...

I recently came across this article maybe of interest...

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/...t-their-own-thinking?utm_source=pocket-newtab

 

[DFB]

LOL just wanted you to view the commented at that 5:25 mark, it is addressing exactly what your claims of Hercules abandon platforms (almost 1.x years ago)... which I find my situation with the Sears Craftsman C3 19.2 right now... or that Dewalt example it has given, or Milwauikee or Makita have done so as well.. now if the Bear is a schill for HF or not, it doesn't matter, the fact is still there. which is doesn't matter which manufacture, they will abandon platforms, and have track record to as well...

Now whether the Bear is pro HF or not... here is the thing... we read about stuff, listen to people talk about stuff, what makes us Human and have more brain cells than most other zombies is our ability to think independently and process the information whats presented to us and see whats real and whats bias... otherwise we might as well joint a cult and just believe everything they feed us, save the brain cells for the zombies.. no? for me , it's value and functionality, whats I can afford and accomplish the task needed. as well as able to determine whats fake and whats manipulated reviews like those two recent ones... I don't think that comment have any fake news in it... it's actually history.. so unless you tell me you are so sort of psychic that can read into the future....

I am NOT paid by HF or Schill for HF, just voicing the differences, I don't like a lot of their tools now if some one come along and proof that hey this thing is ****... I would have read and process it as well... but so far the two Hercules product I have works fine ( which is the wobble impact extension, and the #2 bits), but plenty HF stuff ***** if I have bad exp about it, I don't hesitate to say it... like that extra long wrench sets...

I recently came across this article maybe of interest...

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/...t-their-own-thinking?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Well I for one appreciate all that insight info as relates to thread

To me the big marketing game today is not actually being a driving force in actually creating/engineering tools or "disruptive innovation" as Milwaukee calls it. Anybody with a few bucks can contract with a China entity and have them slap their business name on it. Honestly I want to do that for my flea market tool tent

Most of these tools now days is like the old saying 6 of one 1/2 dozen of another...cheapens the whole thing because nothing really special about most of them that sets them apart except for the few leaders of the industry

But still I really don't know how one can begin to judge an entire power tool lineup on a wobble impact extension and some drive bits

Honestly I have a small set of the Bauer drill bits (they came in the red case) and I think their great, not Norseman quality by no stretch of the imagination but since they are good I could assume then the entire line of Bauer must be good too right

 

[kctyphoon]

That top one is funny there ARE NO KITS available

To your benefit there is a coupon in the new catalog for $5.00 off the Herc bare tool impact driver makes it $44.99 instead of $49.99

We give coupons at work too, usually after someone spends a $100 or more they might recieve a $10 coupon off their NEXT purchase of $100

I belive the 20v Herc drills (maybe impact driver too) went through a redesign after launch, when kits WERE available. Like i said they were old coupons and I’m not gonna do another image search just to find a current one when i know they exist. From what ive seen (and I’m just repeating what someone else posted) the kits are suppose to be returning - which may take some logistic work if you are currently sourcing different items from different vendors. Obviously - they are working on expanding the line.

I assume it’s much easier to have everything individually packaged (tool vs batteries) if they are coming from different people/places - just get the out and make them available. After all, they arent manufacturing them, just selling them.

I wouldnt hold your breath on walmart being worried about “supporting” their new tool line if sales dont warrant doing so. I’m sure they will do fine enough just from the amount of traffic that store invites - and I’m sure months or years of calculated research went in to this decision. I’m willing to bet someone finally said “why are we buying other brand’s when we can just have our own manufactured and make even MORE money” - just like shop rite does with food. To these people - its just a product on a shelf meant to bring in money. If sale expectations arent met - they will likely just move onto something more lucrative.

 

[kctyphoon]

None, but I dont worry about tool warranties like the tool warranty fetishts do, and my cordless tools have a 5 year warranty already anyways

Well, you proved my point..

If warranty alone was a big of a deal as everyone pretends it to be, everyone saying that would own Ridgid cordless tools and we’d be done with it.

 

[Yarpo]

Well, you proved my point..

If warranty alone was a big of a deal as everyone pretends it to be, everyone saying that would own Ridgid cordless tools and we’d be done with it.

Yeah, but given the option (in your hypothetical situation) taking 10 dollars back to lose warranty on a 150 dollar tool, not that great of a deal.

I don't think tool warranty is that big of a deal personally but there are countless people out there buying tools, be it rigid or tekton almost solely because of the warranty. The fact both of those companies also offer good tools comes as a bonus to those people. Warranty warranty warranty! It's hammered home here and on reddit time and time again, people that will never use it clamor over themselves to buy a tool (or anyhing really) with a warranty. As others stated, its reassuring that the manufacturer stands behind their stuff, and as a buyer its reassuring to have a warranty on your tools, even if it'll never be needed, its that extra protection. I'm sure in your hypothetical if you upped the price point, and say dewalt offered people 25 dollars less per 100 dollars spent to forgo the warranty they might bite, but 10 dollars, not likely imo

 

[dogdog]

Well I for one appreciate all that insight info as relates to thread

To me the big marketing game today is not actually being a driving force in actually creating/engineering tools or "disruptive innovation" as Milwaukee calls it. Anybody with a few bucks can contract with a China entity and have them slap their business name on it. Honestly I want to do that for my flea market tool tent

Most of these tools now days is like the old saying 6 of one 1/2 dozen of another...cheapens the whole thing because nothing really special about most of them that sets them apart except for the few leaders of the industry

But still I really don't know how one can begin to judge an entire power tool lineup on a wobble impact extension and some drive bits

Honestly I have a small set of the Bauer drill bits (they came in the red case) and I think their great, not Norseman quality by no stretch of the imagination but since they are good I could assume then the entire line of Bauer must be good too right

No I don't let an impact extension or a driver bit to make my decisions, but it certainly will, if it disappointed me, or the things labeled on their premium line have perform crappy... but OTOH poor customer service do have a huge influence on my decision of buying certain brand of tool or not more than advertisements .... my personal experience... Channel Lock.. bad warranty experience... so guess what Haven't bought a single new or used ChannelLock tool since... it's almost 3 or 4 years. Basically here is the thing I told my cable company when they were taking my wallet and raising price without even informing you... and tries to be nasty. somewhat to this extend... "In a market, if there were no choices, you can show your customers the middle finger all you wanted. but if there are choices ... I will show you the middle finger in a heart beat..." and this is certainly true in the tool market where there are even more competition... so .. what I am saying is , so far Hercules brand stuff hasn't disappoint me yet. I keep an open mind.

as far as the Hercules Drill, other than the tool Bear.. I think RTR have a review on it and AvE of cause with his ramblings.... he could be wrong on his opinions but at least he wasn't faking the things and he is spot on on the HF marketing skanks, but hey... it's marketing......

 

[kctyphoon]

Yeah, but given the option (in your hypothetical situation) taking 10 dollars back to lose warranty on a 150 dollar tool, not that great of a deal.

I don't think tool warranty is that big of a deal personally but there are countless people out there buying tools, be it rigid or tekton almost solely because of the warranty. The fact both of those companies also offer good tools comes as a bonus to those people. Warranty warranty warranty! It's hammered home here and on reddit time and time again, people that will never use it clamor over themselves to buy a tool (or anyhing really) with a warranty. As others stated, its reassuring that the manufacturer stands behind their stuff, and as a buyer its reassuring to have a warranty on your tools, even if it'll never be needed, its that extra protection. I'm sure in your hypothetical if you upped the price point, and say dewalt offered people 25 dollars less per 100 dollars spent to forgo the warranty they might bite, but 10 dollars, not likely imo

The ‘value’ is subjective to every person.
I’m merely making the point that if given the CHOICE to save money or have a longer warranty (on their choice of tool) - MOST people would choose to save money.

Talk is talk until it comes time to pay.

 

[lardy1]

I don't view lack of warranty as a cost cutting service for the customer. I view it as the marketer has no faith in the longevity of the product.

I don't go to Harbor Freight and I don't buy Harbor Freight. But I stay out of the Icon/Pittsburgh/Quinn, etc. vs. some other line of tools arguments. I find those arguments to be a distraction from why I like GJ. My belief is that there are people out there far more knowledgable than I that could justifiably criticize my tool choices. I don't come here to bash brands, stores or choices. I believe we should all buy what we believe is best for our own application and ignore the haters.

 

[zendriver]

I'm amused that so many people believe that in the 21 century, building a cordless tool, that lasts longer than 90 days, is some kind of dark art.

Many sweared the HF Chicago Electric stuff, would die after 5 minutes, but some of those that actually purchased, are now complaining the tools they use, are easily outlasting their Nicad batteries and bummed that a retailer actually had the audacity to make a lower profit platform obsolete.

Likely most that purchase the Hercules products, probably just use them and not obsess of the warranty, just like most people who have shopped HF, for the last 40 years.

 

[DFB]

I'm amused that so many people believe that in the 21 century, building a cordless tool, that lasts longer than 90 days, is some kind of dark art.

Many sweared the HF Chicago Electric stuff, would die after 5 minutes, but some of those that actually purchased, are now complaining the tools they use, are easily outlasting their Nicad batteries and bummed that a retailer actually had the audacity to make a lower profit platform obsolete.

Likely most that purchase the Hercules products, probably just use them and not obsess of the warranty, just like most people who have shopped HF, for the last 40 years.

Ya well they sure don't seem to be here on TGJ

 

[gearhead1]

That vac looks a lot like my DeWalt vacuum.

I’m sure they’re decent tools, but when the price point is so close to a proven established brand, I’ll just go with the established brand. This is why I have mostly DeWalt and some Milwaukee. It’s just not worth it. Now if after a period of time the design is proven, then maybe it’ll be worth it. It may be worth it now to some, but there are those of us that might not use them for a living, but use them at a high level and I bet most in that category aren’t biting yet.

 

[kctyphoon]

I don't view lack of warranty as a cost cutting service for the customer. I view it as the marketer has no faith in the longevity of the product.

I don't go to Harbor Freight and I don't buy Harbor Freight. But I stay out of the Icon/Pittsburgh/Quinn, etc. vs. some other line of tools arguments. I find those arguments to be a distraction from why I like GJ. My belief is that there are people out there far more knowledgable than I that could justifiably criticize my tool choices. I don't come here to bash brands, stores or choices. I believe we should all buy what we believe is best for our own application and ignore the haters.

It would be a pretty unprofitable business model to CREATE a line of tools that you hope people will, over time, invest in - only to “purposely” design something you think wont last for its intended buyer.

I get a kick out of this idea that HF has an evil laugh as they overcharge for inferior products, but a company like Dewalt or Milwaukee - through shear volume of sales SHOULD have the cheaper products - are the good guys.

The cost of warranties (just like marketing costs) are built into every product sold. Thats not even up for debate.

 

[lardy1]

Pretty amazing that you gleaned THAT interpretation from THOSE words.

Whatever floats yer boat, bro. Carry on.

 

[DFB]

It would be a pretty unprofitable business model to CREATE a line of tools that you hope people will, over time, invest in - only to “purposely” design something you think wont last for its intended buyer.

I get a kick out of this idea that HF has an evil laugh as they overcharge for inferior products, but a company like Dewalt or Milwaukee - through shear volume of sales SHOULD have the cheaper products - are the good guys.

The cost of warranties (just like marketing costs) are built into every product sold. Thats not even up for debate.

Now let me get this right...so what you just said is if Milwaukee cordless offers a 5 year warranty and Dewalt has 3 year the quality IS built into the product

And so if the "NEW" HF Hercules cordless line is off and running with only a 90 day warranty on tools they're claiming as competitive or even superior in some way (like all those infamous "beat" ads) and for a very similar cost without any proven history AND if you want the backup of extended warranty you HAVE TO pay extra on top of the purchase price

Eric HAS GOT TO BE laughing all they way to the bank

He does knows his prospective clientele well

 

[dogdog]

.....so you vision of a superior tool is gauged by the warranty they offered ?

 

[DFB]

.....so you vision of a superior tool is gauged by the warranty they offered ?

That seems to be the status quo doesn't it now

All you have to do is look at all the support for tool warranties here on TGJ

Snap On, Tekton, Craftsman and a host of others


Where does Eric stand on all this? And don't I read here certain Pittsburgh automotive line of tools don't carry the same lifetime warranty anymore.

 

[dogdog]

Here is the thing about my view, might not be anyone else's or TGJ, ...... if the tool discloses upfront that they offers 90 days 1 year 2 year life time, when I buy into the tool.. that is not my factor of gauging superiority of a tool ... ... It is when it comes time to actually warranty the tool within a warranty period and you have to jump through hoops like Ridgid's fockery on battery... or my infamous bitchin on ChannelLock customer services things... probably plenty others that claimed to offer life time warranty...but actually offered ****.


As far as where does that Eric guy stand on this... maybe we should send him an inquiry as a TGJ collective or if you are big enough you can just send him your POV ...
personally IMO Warranties on somethings are over rated, . I am still on my first impact drivers with sears craftman c3.. so far only one actually broke but many went missing. but they perform up to my monkeying ..........

0 warranty claimed....

 

[DFB]

Personally I don't really look at manufactures warranties as much as if the item I want to purchase meets my needs.

As for Milwaukee 5 year warranty guess that's a real bonus because those have been my most recent power tool choices

Used it 3 times too all right under the wire

Once outside of the warranty too

And they also give me free stuff

But really I have love Harbor Frieghts cheap tool prices and I'll bet I spent close to $5000 there over last couple of years

They make me money

Just like they do for Eric