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Looking great as always Robert.
Just an observation if I may.Both your apprentice and mine tend to put there face up against the weld. Directly in the fumes! I'm trying to break that bad habit with my son. I keep reminding him..
 
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Looking great as always Robert.
Just an observation if I may.Both your apprentice and mine tend to put there face up against the weld. Directly in the fumes! I'm trying to break that bad habit with my son. I keep reminding him..

They do that because they can! Teenage eyes can focus at about 4"

Old guys need stuff at an arm's length for half a chance at seeing it. :D
 

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Looking great as always Robert.
Just an observation if I may.Both your apprentice and mine tend to put there face up against the weld. Directly in the fumes! I'm trying to break that bad habit with my son. I keep reminding him..

I would think that even wearing the proper lens that it would still cause eye damage being closer than further away.

Aside from that, and I don't know how true it is as there has not been that much research done on it.........Pick's disease. If you do either a Google or Bing search, there is a lot of hits concerning it and the symptoms. This is from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick's_disease

The reason I bring it up is that my neighbor developed it, and they say it was from years of welding and breathing in the fumes. He was a welder at our shop. He was also a Reverend, and was a real decent person. He reached a point when he was preaching on Sundays that he was getting sort of scatterbrained during his sermons. This developed to the point that he basically couldn't talk, but was still working. That progressed to the point that he couldn't comprehend directions. He was walking up the road one day from a flea market a mile from the house. He had bought a BB Gun and was walking home. Someone reported a man walking along the road carrying a rifle. The city police came up behind him and told him to drop the gun, but Reverend Dave kept walking. So now this went from someone walking with a gun to something really odd. The officer called in for backup so two more showed up. Reverend Dave could not comprehend what was going on, but went to show the locals that he bought a BB Gun. Just by pure luck, another officer that went to his church, knew that Reverend Dave had medical issues. They could have easily shot him down. And there are so many things he was doing. He would come down to our house. He couldn't speak or converse with anyone, and he had reached a point where drool would just run out of his mouth. Twice, the wife and I came out of the back part of the house, only to find Reverend Dave standing inside of our house, in the family room. :scared::scared: Then he went into the neighbors house behind us a couple of times. Tina and her son lives in the house. Her son was gone one day, she came downstairs, and there stood Reverend Dave. She said she screamed, and grabbed a gun until she realized who it was. She told him to go home, and he left. Plus he was caught walking **** on quite a few occasions too. One time was 2:00am, walking into town. Other times was broad daylight.

All of the specialist, and not just one, but 3 or 4, once they found out what he did as a job, tied Picks Disease and the welding fumes together as the cause of his problem. After he was first noticed slipping a little bit brainwise, he live just a little over a year afterwards. However long before that, he was developing the disease is anyone's guess, but myself, I would say it was a couple of years coming, then he really hit the peak and it was downhill afterwards.

And Pick's is not like Alzheimers. Reverend Dave went from speech impedements to not being able to talk, to not being able to comprehend, to drooling, to shitting himself, to ******* in kitchen cabinets, walking around public in the ****, to not being able to walk at all, to becoming a vegetable.

It was sad to see a person go from being in total control of his faculties, to not having any control of anything. Basically I blame it on the shop. A multi-billion dollar a year company, but didn't have money to put into ventilation hoods to draw the fumes up and out. Once Reverend Dave got bad, then they decide to put vacuum hood in.

So Nasty and Robert, and anyone else for the fact....show this to your helpers and/or kids, and try to get them away from the fumes. Have them research Pick's a little on the web. Will everyone get it that breathes the fumes? I doubt it. But then again, who decides who gets the disease and who doesn't, and why take a gamble if you can prevent it?
 

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............show this to your helpers and/or kids, and try to get them away from the fumes. Have them research Pick's a little on the web. Will everyone get it that breathes the fumes? I doubt it. But then again, who decides who gets the disease and who doesn't, and why take a gamble if you can prevent it?

Thanks for the heads up Kevin. I noticed I was doing the same thing last night. And my apologies for jacking your thread, which is incredible, btw.
 

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Thanks for the heads up Kevin. I noticed I was doing the same thing last night. And my apologies for jacking your thread, which is incredible, btw.

You didn't jack my thread, I jacked Roberts. :rocker:

My apologies Robert. I just saw the replies about welding, and wanted to throw that warniong out there, from my experience as to what I know the neighbor went through and what the docs told him and his wife. :beer:
 
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Do you feel like you will ever finish?

This reminds me of the whack-a-mole game... !

Great job as always, Robert.


That's about it in a nutshell.. :lol:


Looking great as always Robert.
Just an observation if I may.Both your apprentice and mine tend to put there face up against the weld. Directly in the fumes! I'm trying to break that bad habit with my son. I keep reminding him..


Thanks for the reminder Claude. Message delivered..


They do that because they can! Teenage eyes can focus at about 4"

Old guys need stuff at an arm's length for half a chance at seeing it. :D


I'm where I need to use reading glasses under the hood. I guess the arms aren't long enough.


Thanks for the heads up Kevin. I noticed I was doing the same thing last night. And my apologies for jacking your thread, which is incredible, btw.


I've replaced a few lens covers myself from weld splatter, so yeah, guilty as charged..


You didn't jack my thread, I jacked Roberts. :rocker:

My apologies Robert. I just saw the replies about welding, and wanted to throw that warniong out there, from my experience as to what I know the neighbor went through and what the docs told him and his wife. :beer:


Kevin, not a problem, well timed input. Quite a bit out there is bad for you and we all have been lax in areas we shouldn't. Sometimes we need a dose of real world consequences for a reality check.



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Well, it's that time of year again, and the local Arby's Wednesday night car shows are in full swing, so we've changed the shop nights from Mon & Wed to Tues & Thurs so that we'd have Wednesday free to stop by the shows. We plan on taking Brad's Fairlane to a couple of the events this year, Arby's is just over a mile away from the shop, so his 4 gallon tank may just make the trip.. :lol:


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This is one of those cars that you'll feel and hear well before you see it, so it should draw a nice crowd :rocker:


Last night's shop progress had me doing more block sanding, and Kyle continued on the rear quarter seam shave. The top weld is about done (except at the edge), other than final bumping and planishing. The weld through the middle of the mounting bracket was dressed out. The final weld seam that travels over to the gate opening will be addressed once the body is on the rotisserie, the planishing is a bit cumbersome working around a corner, so with the car up on it's side it will make the task a bit easier.


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The tail light fits much better but some final tweaking will be done after the gap at the top edge is completed..


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Arby's in Leonardtown. Not sure where you're at but we're down here in Southern MD. People start showing up shortly after work, or around 4-5pm, and typically the herd starts to thin when night falls..
 

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Arby's in Leonardtown. Not sure where you're at but we're down here in Southern MD. People start showing up shortly after work, or around 4-5pm, and typically the herd starts to thin when night falls..

I thought all the arby's in the tri county area closed up when that investment company that owned them went under or whatever.....I'm not far from you live in Chuck Co so close but not right up the street.
 
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Just have a look at Kevin's avatar, he looks like that in real life. IMO he can jack all the threads he wants to.. :lol_hitti
 
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Well since Kyle has the top weld all the way back to the tail light opening, we checked the top crown and found a low spot by the 90* in the weld seam. We had to change the hoop on the Watervliet but since this one fit in the tail light opening so well, this will make short work of raising the low area..


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We decided to go ahead and work on the opening a bit more, it was wide in spots as shown here...


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Some "friendly" persuasion...


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Much better fit....


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I thought all the arby's in the tri county area closed up when that investment company that owned them went under or whatever.....I'm not far from you live in Chuck Co so close but not right up the street.

I thought Arby's bought up Wendy's :headscrat

Just have a look at Kevin's avatar, he looks like that in real life. IMO he can jack all the threads he wants to.. :lol_hitti

Not bulky though, just fat. But I can rock with a yellow shirt :thumbup:
 

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I thought Arby's bought up Wendy's :headscrat



Not bulky though, just fat. But I can rock with a yellow shirt :thumbup:



It was a local story a few years back, there were I guess some investors who owned the Arby's in the tri county area, and one day they just closed up shop, no warning nothing doors closed and locks changed, not even notifying employees.

Wendy's only owns 18% of Arby's.
 
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Got a care package in the mail yesterday, we had the hood hinges rebuilt at Wilson's Antique Car Parts....


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I had talked to a couple dealers about the reproduction hinges and did not hear good things, they indicated they had replaced a few sets due to the gears jumping teeth from being too loose. A member on one of the forums had recommended Wilson's rebuilding service, and I gotta say, this is top notch work. If you're having hood hinge issues, I highly recommend their services..


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Kyle was looking for something else to weld, so on to the dash. Here he's prepping for welding the seam, bumping the panels a bit for better alignment before welding....


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Checking across the gap using a 6" rule...


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Next on the agenda was to shave the radio holes...


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Weld, planish, grind, repeat...


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Kyle got some more welding done and we noticed the patch he made didn't quite have the same crown as the dash next to it. He had left the patch flat, so the difference was becoming more noticeable the more it was welded.


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So the Watervliet planishing hammer was used to add some crown to the panel, and also to planish some of the weld while we were at it..


An 8" radius lower die worked nicely to duplicate the crown:


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Planishing welds...




Two holes to go..


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rear view... both sides still need sanding with the roloc, we'll get that once the radio knob holes are done and ready for sanding as well.


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Tailgate is blocking out pretty nice, did have a few low spots to address that still need feathering out....


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Robert,
Thanks again for posting all that you do. I look forward to reading your updates frequently and I really can't tell ya how jealous I am of your apprentice! I would have killed to find someone like you in my area a few years ago!
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Thanks for the comments Doug!


Finishing up on the radio holes...


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Shaving the other seam, here bumping the panels to get a consistent height across the front...


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The upper section would prove to need a bit more persuasion...


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Tool modification...


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A chunk of 3/4 square stock laid in dash void to use as fulcrum...


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Heat applied...


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Results... before..


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After...


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This view from the back side of weld dot penetration shows Kyle has pretty good consistency in weld dot sizing.


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It was a local story a few years back, there were I guess some investors who owned the Arby's in the tri county area, and one day they just closed up shop, no warning nothing doors closed and locks changed, not even notifying employees.

Wendy's only owns 18% of Arby's.

Just a slight OT again Robert, but in response to this, I found this http://abcnews.go.com/Business/IndustryInfo/story?id=4717253&page=1 I remember it being odd that Arby's bought Wendy's at the time due to the fact that all of the Arby's around here have either closed due to lack of business, or at least the one in my town stays open due to the three dedicated customers who frequent it :lol:

But then I see where Wendy's sells Arby's for $430 million http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/13/news/companies/wendys_sells_arbys/index.htm

So the findings I found amounts to nothing, and the hijack of Robert's thread was wasted for.....I suppose, nothing, and I am just as clueless now as before :lol_hitti

ON THE OTHER HAND......Robert....when are we getting the wagon into primer? And if this isn't going to be a Concours restoration, is there a term for better than factory, and either one step above Concours, or better than Concours?

What's a shame is that when it goes to a local show, or even a GoodGuys, most people will overlook the minute details like fitment in every little place that you have addressed. They will look at the overall picture, but miss the fitment areas just like the dash you show being massaged into place. And what 95% will overlook is the work that it takes to finesse a small area into place, and the amount of time that it also takes. At least one good thing is though, the older cars had metal to work back in, instead of everything being covered if foam and vinyl, or foam and leather.

I know that from following your thread on this build, and following the thread on the Fairlane build.....when I look at cars at a show, I tend to look deeper than just the overall picture. I used to look at the paint, the straightness of the panels, color match, upholstery, then the modifications. But your thread has made me more aware of the fine tuning of the metal to make the panels perfect. And along with noticing things like fitment, it has also taught me a lot as to how to reach that point of perfection, along with making custom tools to get there. And with that said.......:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
 

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I remember the 'Ball Bearing" commercial from awhile back. The one where they roll the bearing down the gap between the hood and the quarter panel.



It was kinda a silly commercial, but it changed how I look at cars.

I think it's time well spent.
 
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I remember the 'Ball Bearing" commercial from awhile back. The one where they roll the bearing down the gap between the hood and the quarter panel.



It was kinda a silly commercial, but it changed how I look at cars.

I think it's time well spent.

If I remember correctly, Ford had the ball bearing commercial back in the mid to late '60's and it was with the Continental, or maybe all models that year. They spoke about the tight tolerances on the body gaps.
 
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Kevin, we have "parts" in primer, that's got to count for something! :lol:



Today was the Spring Fling car show in Leonardtown so we took the opportunity to do some "window shopping" for vents to fit in the dashboard. With all this nice real estate now:


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.....our plans are for some rectangular AC vents in the radio's original place. I always thought the "up in your face" vents do a better job of keeping you cool than the under dash ones that freeze the knees. So in no particular order, here are some sample vents..


1940 Ford "ashtray replacements" by VA... Although small, thought these may work toward the outside in the same "band" area of the dash...


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Grand National...


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Lower dash vents for a 65 Impala...


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I like these and the dual parallel deflector vanes over the 55 factory, which is a ball vent with a wide open hole.


These next ones are the ones I'm leaning toward for the dash center as they are an easier install than most of the GM ones of the era. The GM vents have a solid pivot shaft at either end that would require making a saddle and clamp deal to hold it in place. The Fomoco style shown here has the pivot pin on a tab that springs inward for installation/removal, so it requires two simple holes. A much easier fabrication of needed ducting.. if we need to fabricate..


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This had no AC vents, but was a super clean ride, and still sported the Straight 8 under the hood, so consider this complimentary eye candy!


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More VA pieces, these are nice and compact


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I like the rectangular for the center of the dash but worry these round style vents may "clash" with rectangular ones. So the 40's small rectangular may be a good option for the side vents. Thoughts, personal choices, ones we haven't shown (with pictures) are welcome. This build really isn't a billet type, so black and chrome are a preferred option. Thanks in advance for any advice/pointers..
 

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For what it's worth, I think the rectangular vents look too modern for your application. I greatly prefer the round. Of course I'm not taking practicality, installation, or even function into account.
 

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For what it's worth, I think the rectangular vents look too modern for your application. I greatly prefer the round. Of course I'm not taking practicality, installation, or even function into account.

I agree. Looking at the dash pictures it's mostly made up of sweeping curves, something round or oval would be a better match.
 

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My 2 cents.. I would figure out a way to mold these in. Factory 1957 Chevy Vents (they make reproductions).

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and these from Summit aren't bad

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Robert, I like the rectangular vents, either the Buick Grand National turned horizontal or the Ford vents.

This '55 dash has the large round vents but I don't think small round ones will look much better. Of course having them IN the dash looks a lot better than hanging UNDER the dash.
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I haven't come across any rectangular vents in the center but then again I haven't seen any radio blanked '55 dashes. I am not sure there is enough space on the 55 dash for rectangular vents on the sides but here's how it looks on a 57 dash.
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How about some triangular or oval vents? Trique sells some billet pieces that kinda mimic the two dash eyebrows (http://www.triquemfg.com/air-conditioning-vents/).
Left and Right Triangles:
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Of course being billet they are spendy (almost $300 for the trio).
 

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Robert, I agree with everyone on this, all of the rectangle vents remind of the vents (same make on some of these) of a late 70's to mid 90's capric. The 40 style was ok, but round or something with softer edges seem to fit the dash best, JMO.
 

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I installed round ones from Billet Specialties in our 1940 Chev Coupe and then painted the aluminum trim rings to match body color. In the rounded bodies I too prefer the rounded vents. Just my opinion though.

By the way, the dash looks great blended and molded together Robert.

Mike.
 
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First, thanks to all for their input on dash vents. I'll have to agree that these shoebox cars lend themselves more to curves, but given the long, flat, rectangular mounting surface in the center of the dash, it seemed that two round vents would not begin to fill the void. Thus we were leaning toward the rectangular vents to fill the space. Dana wanted to keep the outside vents round, and mount below in the factory location. So these are the ones decided on, Vintage Air pieces...


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for the center of the dash.......

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Of course, something told me to keep looking, and as someone had suggested to do the Google image search on "dash vents", I skipped the catalogs this time and looked at installed vents. Then it hit me, how could I have not seen this before.....


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Three wide in the round vents vs. only two did a better job of filling out the dash and would give us matching vents all around. So, with only two round on order (and two rectangular that will likely go back), we plan to see how "tight" these 2-5/8 round bezels look on a 2-3/4 high flat area, and make the final decision from there.. The saga continues..


Now with the dash seams all welded and waiting for gauges to be delivered, the moment I've been dreading. Installing the Rocky Hinge fuel "door". First thing noticed was that some of the holes on the weld-in mounting plate were off by half a hole..


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So Kyle cut out a fresh piece of 14 ga crs to make a new one, a bit oversized to trim later. Used some transfer punches to get the bolt holes lined up a bit better on our version of the weld-in plate..


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Attachment screws fitting better already....


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To provide the proper "pressed" countersink, we broke out the tubing flare kit...


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Redneck press...


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Our lower "die" was a 1/2-13 nut, centered over the hole, perimeter marked, and then taped in place before locating this into the press. Hey, it wasn't pretty, but it worked!


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Some trimming of the hole to provide room for the weld-in mounting plate....


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Test fit of the tail light housing showed the opening was a bit wide, especially to the inside towards the tailgate. So some glancing blows with too large a hammer provided a bit of stretch in this inner valley to persuade the panel over to the left, tightening up the opening....


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A bit better here, but more tweaking will be needed on the outside before the mounting plate gets welded in place..


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It was nice meeting and chatting with you tonight, maybe I'll be down at the mini car show again sometime before summers over.
 
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Good to meet you. Stroke of luck that I went tonight, if my buddy hadn't shown up in his Cobra on a shake down run, I would have stayed home..... landscaping. Glad you came down to see our Wednesday show and that our paths crossed... :beer:
 
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Received a couple of care packages today, first was some of the tailgate hinge trim rings, shown here after Kyle media blasted them. So to all the guys that were watching the ebay auction for these, sorry..


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Next, we got our AC vent samples in.. Here is the test fit with tape... Only have two of the round ones to show, but if we go with these there will be three in a row here in the center of the dash.


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Any thoughts on the vents now with them mocked up?


Then Kyle tried his hand at block sanding epoxy on the inside of the hood..


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