biggziff
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I'm going with horizontal venting. I cannot bring myself to put holes in a perfectly good roof.
Mr. Heater Big Maxx cheap
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hh76
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A leak in siding can be just as bad.
Nothing wrong with a properly flashed vent pipe through the roof.
biggziff
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While I can't disagree with the sentiment, I can say that I've seen a lot more leaking vertical penetrations than horizontal ones....and they usually cause a lot more damage.
MrSurly
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My Big Maxx 80k arrived today, ordered 12/27.
Box a bit beat but no harm.
I can’t complain about this deal.
Now I have to determine what it will take to install the piping from the house; permit req’d, according to the city I *MUST* hire a licensed plumber, and as an inveterate D-I-Y er, that just stings. I prefer to educate myself, take my time and do myself, doing it to code, etc. Being told that I’m *not allowed* to do it (doing it right) on my own house is unsettling.
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Box a bit beat but no harm.
I can’t complain about this deal.
Now I have to determine what it will take to install the piping from the house; permit req’d, according to the city I *MUST* hire a licensed plumber, and as an inveterate D-I-Y er, that just stings. I prefer to educate myself, take my time and do myself, doing it to code, etc. Being told that I’m *not allowed* to do it (doing it right) on my own house is unsettling.
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shaggyant
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In my area the homeowner is allowed to do any work on their own house that they want to provided it is up to code and passes inspection. I’d be interested to see the exact law that prevents someone from doing their own work. I’d bet there is a homeowner exemption that they aren’t educated about.
according to a person, or according to local code? often it says you "must" hire a licensed pro, but there will be another section that exempts home owners working on their own property (not your buddy, just you). gotta look for it.
biggziff
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Some municipalities here require a licensed tradesman while others a few miles away do not. You should be able to find someone locally who will work on the side to either sign off on your work after inspecting it or work along side you to get to that point.
Good luck
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SgtHawkUSMC
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I can't disagree with you on this one...
Well, I think those that said scam are right IMO. It's still an educated assessment; however, all the evidence is there. When I opened my 80k last night (which had a pretty good sized dent in the bottom from shipping monkeys) I found the bill of lading. It had the billed to going to a lady in California, and shipped to her, attn. me at my address.
So... I think some scumbag is stealing credit card info, buying the units from Northern for the total of $505. including shipping, then selling them to us for a $319 profit which gets accepted to any number of PayPal accounts. The website www.camape.net has to be in on it at some level I would think...
What did any of you find out that asked about it? Anything? I don't see Northern caring. They are taking orders that are getting paid for. I think it's the credit card companies or PayPal that will be taking the hit on this one.
I do feel bad about this, but in the end, I paid for a product and received it. The rest is an educated guess about something that looks pretty bad now... Sorry to those that bought these and feel more than bad about it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions...
I think I'll use my card for this one:
The first one was received with no damage. Here is the 80k I got yesterday:
biggziff
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That's pretty banged up, but in the end won't really affect much.
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SgtHawkUSMC
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I agree. It just bent the bottom in. There is nothing there. Could it have jarred something else? Maybe. We'll find out after I bang it back out and install it.
MrSurly
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I do wonder what would happen if you sent the pics to Northen OR to camape.net and requested an RMA and replacement.
In my case, my 80k arrived with a (less) damaged box and no obvious damage to the heater.
The paperwork has the name of someone in Iowa.
This name is different from the name that PayPal had indicated that I had sent a payment to.
I am VERY tempted to try to contact the person to 'give them a heads-up' but that line of thinking is flawed...in several ways.
In my case, my 80k arrived with a (less) damaged box and no obvious damage to the heater.
The paperwork has the name of someone in Iowa.
This name is different from the name that PayPal had indicated that I had sent a payment to.
I am VERY tempted to try to contact the person to 'give them a heads-up' but that line of thinking is flawed...in several ways.
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SgtHawkUSMC
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Yep. All the same thoughts I had last night...
FYI I was able to contact the husband of the person that my heater was billed to and yes their card information was stolen.I tried to contact Northern tool and never heard back and paypal doesn't seem to care because this scammer is using multiple accounts. I have also reported the site but it's still up and running and it doesn't matter anyway because I have found that they close down then reopen under another name often.
I tried to do the right thing and no one seems to care as I'm sure it's a write off for the companies. I feel bad for the person that has been hacked. At this point the person that was hacked is covered by their credit card so I can't see any point in returning the heater because no one really cares.
I tried to do the right thing and no one seems to care as I'm sure it's a write off for the companies. I feel bad for the person that has been hacked. At this point the person that was hacked is covered by their credit card so I can't see any point in returning the heater because no one really cares.
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SgtHawkUSMC
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Thanks for doing the research. I hate that it turned out this way...
I removed the URLs from my first post. I suggest that anyone who has the time, fills this form out... FBI cyber crimes. If this is in fact a terrorist funding organization, it needs to get shut down. Even if it isn't, it still needs to be.
https://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx
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biggziff
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Paypal has very strong protections for the buyer. My guess is, if you filed a claim with PP you'll end up with 100% refund as the seller will never contact them to fight the claim.
Northern will likely “care” when the credit card companies do a charge back. Northern will be left holding the empty bag.
This is the same scam that was documented in the Harbor Freight jack purchase was also too good be true.
The seller most likely emptied their PayPal account before the scam is fully exposed.
This is the same scam that was documented in the Harbor Freight jack purchase was also too good be true.
The seller most likely emptied their PayPal account before the scam is fully exposed.
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Well I'm going to file a dispute with paypal. I just don't feel good about this transaction anymore. I dont want to feel like I was somehow involved in stealing money from someone during christmas. Mine arrived today a little bent. But I straightend it. Then came here to post. That's when I read about the guy finding it to be credit card theft. I'm backing out. To bad it was a amazing deal. But karma will come around for sure.
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Probably not if you bought them in good faith. Plus as a practical matter the credit card companies write it off. They don’t want to piss off their customers—most of us have credit cards. Also not worth their time to go to fight on a case by case basis. They even usually let the bad guys go — they try to stop future occurrences and will likely report the camo company to the feds but these guys probably don’t live in the us, change names often, and are gang related professionals.
bubinga
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That *****...........
What a world we live in.
bubinga
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Ir ALWAYS DOES!!
The credit card companies do not write it off...........they charge back the money plus fees against Northern in this case. It’s Northern responsibility to verify the card and the shipping addresses.
Well I have yet to receive mine but it is in the transit. I noticed my paypal transaction was to a different email address than any of the ones listed in this thread. I assume I'm wrapped up in a credit card scam too.
Obviously I'm concerned because it's not like I'm anonymous, it is shipped to my address. I contacted paypal and gave them a heads up about the transaction but isn't illegal to receive stolen property and isn't this stuff technically stolen if it was purchased via fraudulent credit card transactions. Obviously no one meant to wind up purchasing stuff like this but it happened and I wonder what out liability is.
Obviously I'm concerned because it's not like I'm anonymous, it is shipped to my address. I contacted paypal and gave them a heads up about the transaction but isn't illegal to receive stolen property and isn't this stuff technically stolen if it was purchased via fraudulent credit card transactions. Obviously no one meant to wind up purchasing stuff like this but it happened and I wonder what out liability is.
MrSurly
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This whole scenario is troubling on various levels.
I don’t *KNOW* that the person whose name appears on the paperwork got scammed, charged erroneously, whatever, but it does LOOK like it. The paperwork is “not an invoice” but it certainly looks stinky.
Another view is that I ordered an item online, it was delivered. If it wasn’t for the ‘papers’ in the box then it would be a done deal.
The paper and the price shown, vs the camape price all combine to throw a shroud of ugliness of the whole thing. I still can’t establish that I did anything wrong or even that camape is definitely a scam, only that it *looks like one* in pretty much every way and I feel dirty and guilty.
I did try to contact the person shown on the papers, just to alert them to watch their accounts.
What are the odds that they’ll even open my email? Pretty slim.
I’m trying to perform due diligence to make myself feel better. But I know it will all be water under my bridge as soon as this thing has me getting warm.
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I don’t *KNOW* that the person whose name appears on the paperwork got scammed, charged erroneously, whatever, but it does LOOK like it. The paperwork is “not an invoice” but it certainly looks stinky.
Another view is that I ordered an item online, it was delivered. If it wasn’t for the ‘papers’ in the box then it would be a done deal.
The paper and the price shown, vs the camape price all combine to throw a shroud of ugliness of the whole thing. I still can’t establish that I did anything wrong or even that camape is definitely a scam, only that it *looks like one* in pretty much every way and I feel dirty and guilty.
I did try to contact the person shown on the papers, just to alert them to watch their accounts.
What are the odds that they’ll even open my email? Pretty slim.
I’m trying to perform due diligence to make myself feel better. But I know it will all be water under my bridge as soon as this thing has me getting warm.
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Varty Yo
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So now where am i supposed to get a deal on a 50k??? Anyone have a legit link. Most places are $$$$ that i can find
MrSurly
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Amazon has these to but note the bottom one is a different (?) look and brand?
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dave67fd
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Heat Star by Enerco also own's the Mr. Heater name
MrSurly
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One of those links go to this
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/ol/B00LWW7V7K/ref=mw_dp_olp?ie=UTF8&condition=all
Note here that I have *NO* idea what’s legit anymore.
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/ol/B00LWW7V7K/ref=mw_dp_olp?ie=UTF8&condition=all
Note here that I have *NO* idea what’s legit anymore.
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tjnsn
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menards has them for $399
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SgtHawkUSMC
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All I can say is this. Karma is not coming for any one of us on this thread. We, in good faith, bought heaters and paid for them from what appeared to be a legit business. Not from the back of a van down in the ghetto while wearing sun glasses and a big hat lol. As MrSurly said, no matter what it "looks" like at this point, we do not have confirmation of anything. Our liability? Zero. Receiving stolen merchandise? Not hardly. Receiving stolen merchandise has one little word that always gets left out. "Knowingly received stolen merchandise." Is Northern going to repo the units? Uh, not even close to likely. Think about those logistics and the number of pissed off potential customers, let alone the legal fees. Northern is partially at fault as well as being a victim for accepting credit card charges from potentially victims of fraud. Look at what Northern had for initial information. One persons bill too with one address. Same persons name, with an attn: to someone else and another address in the ship to.
One last thing to think about. Look at the website and all the products they're offering. Northern is just the tip of the iceberg. This site is possibly stealing from hundreds of other companies using the same model.
By the way... Amazon third party sellers etc. are probably selling these same very units that they bought the same way we did.
I don't know what else to say except "I'm out." And I'm out with a clear conscience...
One last thing to think about. Look at the website and all the products they're offering. Northern is just the tip of the iceberg. This site is possibly stealing from hundreds of other companies using the same model.
By the way... Amazon third party sellers etc. are probably selling these same very units that they bought the same way we did.
I don't know what else to say except "I'm out." And I'm out with a clear conscience...
MrSurly
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Well said, Sarge
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MrSurly
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A bit of irony for me. I was wavering about electric vs gas. I hate electric heating, but with the spray foam performance there’s a good argument for going electric just comparing the costs of the units since I truly can get away with pretty minimal usage in my situation.
I was only comparing the price of the units, not the real costs of the full installed heaters.
I was on the fence until I saw this super price and that pushed me to the gas side of the fence because it suddenly compared well with the electric heater.
In a classic rookie move, I committed by ordering the heater and only after it arrived did I investigate the city’s (REQUIRED TO HIRE A PRO) and also starting to learn about ‘Class 3’ venting that costs arms and legs.
The irony is that this promise of the cheaper heater is leading me to spend about 1700 MORE THAN going electric.
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I was only comparing the price of the units, not the real costs of the full installed heaters.
I was on the fence until I saw this super price and that pushed me to the gas side of the fence because it suddenly compared well with the electric heater.
In a classic rookie move, I committed by ordering the heater and only after it arrived did I investigate the city’s (REQUIRED TO HIRE A PRO) and also starting to learn about ‘Class 3’ venting that costs arms and legs.
The irony is that this promise of the cheaper heater is leading me to spend about 1700 MORE THAN going electric.
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biggziff
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Sell the unit. If it's a 50K I'll take it.
TractorJeff
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LOL! I'm closer! Sell it to me even though I won't need it till next winter!
Funny.................The clear conscience theory was the was logic the Harbor Freight jack scam purchasers used that help the scammers plan work way longer than it should have. Find the GJ jack thread it’s exactly the same as this thread right down to the clear conscience/ not my problem/ I got my cheap jack.........when others were saying just the opposite.
If it’s being sold as “new”. $100-$200-$300 cheaper than it should be with free shipping.........it’s likely to be problem for someone..........add no pictures and no history to the eBay ad..........it’s a scam.
If it’s being sold as “new”. $100-$200-$300 cheaper than it should be with free shipping.........it’s likely to be problem for someone..........add no pictures and no history to the eBay ad..........it’s a scam.
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This has the appearance of a Paypal triangulation scheme and Google will tell you all of the details about how it works and the structure seems to dovetail with what experiences have been noted here. At this point, no one has posted actual evidence of fraud so....
I do not blame the buyer, who felt he was getting a good deal; perhaps it was stock rotation; model closeouts; customer returns; undamaged stock from a salvage load, etc., this type of legitimate discounting all goes on all the time. However, some of the items on that website were so low as to suggest skulduggery. I mean 1/3 off Honda generators; 40 % off a Lincoln mig welder.
Until Paypal takes action, then I would sleep soundly. If anything happens, it will be between Northern and whatever credit cards the drop shipper used to pay. Paypal would only get involved only if a customer claimed not as described or Northern or an insurance company or someone else sought to recover the merchandise and Paypal would have to refund.
I do not blame the buyer, who felt he was getting a good deal; perhaps it was stock rotation; model closeouts; customer returns; undamaged stock from a salvage load, etc., this type of legitimate discounting all goes on all the time. However, some of the items on that website were so low as to suggest skulduggery. I mean 1/3 off Honda generators; 40 % off a Lincoln mig welder.
Until Paypal takes action, then I would sleep soundly. If anything happens, it will be between Northern and whatever credit cards the drop shipper used to pay. Paypal would only get involved only if a customer claimed not as described or Northern or an insurance company or someone else sought to recover the merchandise and Paypal would have to refund.