Multi screwdriver set - blades or bits?
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They both have their merits. I prefer the assortment of the bit sets over blade. But much of what I work on in the field does have sufficient room for the bit adapter. So I’m limited to a full set of screwdrivers and a bit set.
I always choose generic drive systems over proprietary drive systems. No one brand makes the best version of every style bit. A collection of bits most would be happy with will include bits from multiple brands, not just one. There are also great deals to be found on bits (if you keep an eye out for them) when you own handles designed to accept standard 1" long 1/4" hex insert bits or 1/4" hex quick change/power bits. The Wera bits can also chuck directly into a drill or be used in an impact driver. Buy a long 1/4" quick change extension and you can quickly make your screwdriver shaft 6" or 12" longer for hard to reach areas. You can't do any of that with the PB Swiss proprietary drive setup.
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DemoFly
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Nothing beats self contained bit storage with a custom bitload. Having to open up and set down a goofy pouch while on a ladder or in an attic is annoying. So needless to say, I'm in favor of non-proprietary bits.
Dave455
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I might be able to help, as I own examples of both. When you say “most secure” do you mean “most positive retention” or “least wobble”?
If it’s the former you seek, then the Wera probably wins, but only because it is basically using bits designed for an impact screwdriver, and that style of bit is positively retained. There is a little bit of wobble, with all these styles of bit driver.
Most bit drivers of course, use the short 1/4” hex bits. These generally seem to have less wobble (perhaps because the bit is shorter) but retention is variable (if you get a magnetic one, get a decent one such as the PB below) and there are some things you just cannot do with these, such as turn recessed terminal screws.
The interchangeable shank drivers generally feel more solid (my older PB Swiss ones at least) but the blades can be removed by just pulling, so retention is less positive.
For what it’s worth, my “road box” contains bit drivers (in fact two, a non ratcheting PB Swiss, and a Snap On ratcheting) together with a full set (Slotted, Phillips, Pozidriv, Torx and Hex) of bits AND regular screwdrivers in the popular sizes.
In my “electrical service” box I generally carry the Felo interchangeable shank set shown below, so I have at least one of everything. The shanks are double ended, so I get maximum utility for minimum bulk, but I can still use them on recessed terminal screws.
If it’s the former you seek, then the Wera probably wins, but only because it is basically using bits designed for an impact screwdriver, and that style of bit is positively retained. There is a little bit of wobble, with all these styles of bit driver.
Most bit drivers of course, use the short 1/4” hex bits. These generally seem to have less wobble (perhaps because the bit is shorter) but retention is variable (if you get a magnetic one, get a decent one such as the PB below) and there are some things you just cannot do with these, such as turn recessed terminal screws.
The interchangeable shank drivers generally feel more solid (my older PB Swiss ones at least) but the blades can be removed by just pulling, so retention is less positive.
For what it’s worth, my “road box” contains bit drivers (in fact two, a non ratcheting PB Swiss, and a Snap On ratcheting) together with a full set (Slotted, Phillips, Pozidriv, Torx and Hex) of bits AND regular screwdrivers in the popular sizes.
In my “electrical service” box I generally carry the Felo interchangeable shank set shown below, so I have at least one of everything. The shanks are double ended, so I get maximum utility for minimum bulk, but I can still use them on recessed terminal screws.
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Thanks Dave. I should have been more specific in my initial post...I'm after the option that provide the least amount of wobble possible. I already have the Wera Rapidaptor, and a basic set of bits, for my ratchet that I can use if the situation calls for more force/need for retention.
My travel box is being built up mainly as my "trackside box" for motorcycles, and then for my bikes (bicycles) for when I go on trips. So not a lot of force needed. I mainly use screwdrivers for making adjustments to my suspension, so I need something that provides decent reach, without a lot of bulk (my main concern with the Wera). I am also currently using hex screwdrivers frequently on bikes, so I like the idea of streamlining everything into one kit, and being able to add new tools without adding bulk.
I'm currently leaning heavily towards the PB Swiss blades, but as others pointed out, I'm then tied into the PB Swiss system. Which is a hard to come by brand in the US.
My travel box is being built up mainly as my "trackside box" for motorcycles, and then for my bikes (bicycles) for when I go on trips. So not a lot of force needed. I mainly use screwdrivers for making adjustments to my suspension, so I need something that provides decent reach, without a lot of bulk (my main concern with the Wera). I am also currently using hex screwdrivers frequently on bikes, so I like the idea of streamlining everything into one kit, and being able to add new tools without adding bulk.
I'm currently leaning heavily towards the PB Swiss blades, but as others pointed out, I'm then tied into the PB Swiss system. Which is a hard to come by brand in the US.
Honest comment.
Could you post your brand recommendations based on bit profile and specific uses?
It's quite interesting what you can learn from somene else's experience.
Interesting....pricey, but interesting...
I much prefer blades since they can get into recessed and confined areas. However a very comprehensive set of bits is invaluable. The answer is you should have both styles on hand because they both have their place.
Two Speed
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Bit Type, no question about it. Lots more versatile than the blade type I find, and generally easier to handle.
Dave455
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I think, generally, the interchangeable blades will be the better option. The Wera works very well if you are already carrying a set of bits.
I bought my first PB set many years back on a deal.
I liked it so much that I ended up buying into the system. I liked the selection of blades available, and also the fact that I could make up a 2.5mm ball hex driver with a sensibly sized handle.
If I omit the T handle, this lot packs into a very small space. At the time I was doing service work, so this and a couple of pairs of pliers did all I needed.
Some of the subsequent handles didn’t fit the blades as well. I was told they had problems in some (hot?) countries. Don’t know what current crop are like.
The Wiha system (System 6?) is another option. It’s got double ended blades so minimum bulk again, but it’s not the quality of the PB. Not the price either…
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Dave455
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I should add that, despite appreciating the interchangeable blade systems, particularly PB Swiss, for my own use I’m now using almost exclusively 1/4” hex bits. This was purely a result of changing some of the things I did. You don’t need much of a change to alter what’s optimum
I can carry a load in a tiny space, and if I encounter a poor quality screw head I needn’t worry about it damaging an expensive driver. I generally use a PB Swiss non ratcheting driver, and a Snap On ratcheting. Although the PB Swiss ratchets are buttery smooth I don’t get on with Santoprene.
You can get round the problem of terminal screws by using the long series hex bits like this, but most times I just carry suitable conventional drivers. I carry the PB Swiss “Insider” in my jacket most days.
The Wera rapidadaptor is a good option. I find myself using this Wera set a good deal. Although very much “mid price” they work well and the sets are compact.
I can carry a load in a tiny space, and if I encounter a poor quality screw head I needn’t worry about it damaging an expensive driver. I generally use a PB Swiss non ratcheting driver, and a Snap On ratcheting. Although the PB Swiss ratchets are buttery smooth I don’t get on with Santoprene.
You can get round the problem of terminal screws by using the long series hex bits like this, but most times I just carry suitable conventional drivers. I carry the PB Swiss “Insider” in my jacket most days.
The Wera rapidadaptor is a good option. I find myself using this Wera set a good deal. Although very much “mid price” they work well and the sets are compact.
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Bubba Fett
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Bits. I use 1" bits for most screws, but recessed screws are a problem. The solution: Wiha makes 4" hex bits in Hollow Ground, Phillips, Torx, Allen, and Robertson, including security variants. They also work well with an electric driver or drill. Even 1" bits with with a magnetic or collet adapter, which makes than far more versatile, and quickly/easily replaceable.
That said, I also like to use standalone drivers, as swapping bits while on a ladder can be a pain if you drop the bits. So carry a good bit set, and the most common standalone drivers: 3/16 and 1/4 Slotted, #1 and #2 Phillips. You can add #1 and #2 Robertson as well if you run into those a lot, and I like to have T10 - T30 Torx drivers as well. Granted, these end up taking up more space, but it isn't all that much, and since screwdrivers are very commonly used tools, the trade off is worth it.
That said, I also like to use standalone drivers, as swapping bits while on a ladder can be a pain if you drop the bits. So carry a good bit set, and the most common standalone drivers: 3/16 and 1/4 Slotted, #1 and #2 Phillips. You can add #1 and #2 Robertson as well if you run into those a lot, and I like to have T10 - T30 Torx drivers as well. Granted, these end up taking up more space, but it isn't all that much, and since screwdrivers are very commonly used tools, the trade off is worth it.
I ended up ordering the PB Swiss blades. The kits are out of stock (or ridiculously expensive) everywhere, so I ordered a handle and the blades separately. Which worked out for the best because I got everything that I needed (slotted, phillips, and hex) and it came out quite a bit cheaper than the kit.
I've never been a fan of bits, as I feel like they are a compromise when compared to a dedicated tool, so I figured that the blades would be the closest thing to a traditional screwdriver. If I needed a lot of different sizes/styles then I probably would have gone the bit route, but in reality, motorcycles and bikes don't require a large variety...a 5.5mm slotted, #1 phillips, and 4mm hex covers about 95% of my needs.
I've never been a fan of bits, as I feel like they are a compromise when compared to a dedicated tool, so I figured that the blades would be the closest thing to a traditional screwdriver. If I needed a lot of different sizes/styles then I probably would have gone the bit route, but in reality, motorcycles and bikes don't require a large variety...a 5.5mm slotted, #1 phillips, and 4mm hex covers about 95% of my needs.
That's quite the collection you have there!I think, generally, the interchangeable blades will be the better option. The Wera works very well if you are already carrying a set of bits.
I bought my first PB set many years back on a deal.
I liked it so much that I ended up buying into the system. I liked the selection of blades available, and also the fact that I could make up a 2.5mm ball hex driver with a sensibly sized handle.
If I omit the T handle, this lot packs into a very small space. At the time I was doing service work, so this and a couple of pairs of pliers did all I needed.
Some of the subsequent handles didn’t fit the blades as well. I was told they had problems in some (hot?) countries. Don’t know what current crop are like.
The Wiha system (System 6?) is another option. It’s got double ended blades so minimum bulk again, but it’s not the quality of the PB. Not the price either…
And I agree...the Wera kit is a fanatic set and hard to beat it for the price. In fact, I have 3 of them (two 1/4" and one 3/8") between the home tool box, and my travel set.
The Wera set you’re looking at has longish bits with round shafts below the hex drive... I don’t see much of a disadvantage for recessed screws.
I’d like to try PB, but Wera is good and this is a road box... easier to acquire a bit can be relevant to that.
I’d like to try PB, but Wera is good and this is a road box... easier to acquire a bit can be relevant to that.
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Wow! just looked I bought this Jan 21 for 30$ now it's 59$ on Amazon WTF! 37$ here
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Megapro Automotive Ratcheting 13-in-1 Multi-bit Screwdriver (211R1C36RD)
Megapro Automotive Ratcheting 13-in-1 Multi-bit Screwdriver (211R1C36RD)
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Buy the Wiha Centrofix Quick Release 1/4" Power Blade Handle #76000. Uses standard 1/4" blades and has the best hold of any bit handle I have ever used - virtually no wobble with any blade bits. Hands down the best I have used and no proprietary bits needed. I primarily use the PBSwiss & Vessel blades in it (have not found a blade bit yet that does'nt fit and fit well in this handle).
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I know you’ve already chosen, but I like Picquic screwdrivers (Canadian-made). They make a 2” and 3” bit model (and smaller ones too). The 3” style feel like a regular solid screwdriver with that long bit. Very little bit wobble and strong magnetic retention
Their site is down right now, but here’s a picture:
Their bits are very good. In the 3” size, they sell all manner of styles, and they sell these nifty bit holders that dovetail into each other. Called Bitpac or Powerpack, and they come in 3-4 different colors. You can mix and match to create your own travel kit.
I’ve got sets in SAE/metric and torx. I use a place that lets you order a custom loaded driver: http://www.firehawktech.com/customoptions.html
My only critique on them is the smaller Dash size isn’t up for stronger twisting. The two of mine at that size make some creaking sounds now, but there’s a lifetime warranty. Gonna test that.
The largest series are fine. Never used the Multique or little ones.
The great thing about this system is in one driver you’ve always got seven LARGE and easy to hold bits at your disposal. No fumbling with tiny 1” bits or, if you’ve changed positions, no trying to find your other PB/Felo/Wera/etc blades.
Their site is down right now, but here’s a picture:
Their bits are very good. In the 3” size, they sell all manner of styles, and they sell these nifty bit holders that dovetail into each other. Called Bitpac or Powerpack, and they come in 3-4 different colors. You can mix and match to create your own travel kit.
I’ve got sets in SAE/metric and torx. I use a place that lets you order a custom loaded driver: http://www.firehawktech.com/customoptions.html
My only critique on them is the smaller Dash size isn’t up for stronger twisting. The two of mine at that size make some creaking sounds now, but there’s a lifetime warranty. Gonna test that.
The largest series are fine. Never used the Multique or little ones.
The great thing about this system is in one driver you’ve always got seven LARGE and easy to hold bits at your disposal. No fumbling with tiny 1” bits or, if you’ve changed positions, no trying to find your other PB/Felo/Wera/etc blades.
Another option is Fixit Sticks. They have a bazillion options. I just got into their system and bought three of their torque modules and some specialty firearm bits. Trying out their solid one-piece, non-ratcheting/non-takedown T-driver. That piece was only $25 and seems well-made. I am not sold on their other T-drivers (ratcheting or take-down).
The company is popular with the firearms and bicycle communities.
In the firearms area (or any in/lbs torque-specific use), I also hear good things about an outfit named Borka tools, which is USA made I believe (Fixit Sticks is not, or is not entirely…can’t remember).
I plan on using the Fixit Sticks T-driver with longer bits (2”) in a small emergency/range bag. Not sure of Fixit’s bit quality (no experience) so I bought Wera 2” bits plus some other 2” torx I had lying around.
The company is popular with the firearms and bicycle communities.
In the firearms area (or any in/lbs torque-specific use), I also hear good things about an outfit named Borka tools, which is USA made I believe (Fixit Sticks is not, or is not entirely…can’t remember).
I plan on using the Fixit Sticks T-driver with longer bits (2”) in a small emergency/range bag. Not sure of Fixit’s bit quality (no experience) so I bought Wera 2” bits plus some other 2” torx I had lying around.
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lol i'm coming from the bit ratchet thread.
while using the bit ratchet parts —all good, useful, and fun!—, i'm not too fond of all the wobble and play between the 3 parts (bit — extender — ratchet). over here, the Wiha 40331 can be had for 16€ (+tax) in brick'n mortar stores like Blumenbecker, which is much lower than RRP or US pricing, and my target total is <20€ shipped, maybe with the help of an amzn coupon haha.
lemme take the shot soon (pull the trigger)....
KnurledNut
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I have spent considerable time researching handle options, as I regularly use them in the field.
I find most of these that have the quick release chuck after the handle are too long for 152mm bits and are better suited for 70-90mm bits.
That is what Wera mates with in their kits.
I have avoided the Wiha 40331 for that reason- its too long for my needs.
It does seem to have the best retention of the locking options.
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Ich habe viel Zeit damit verbracht, Griffoptionen zu recherchieren, da ich sie regelmäßig im Feld verwende.
Ich finde, dass die meisten davon, die das Schnellspannfutter nach dem Griff haben, zu lang für 152-mm-Bits sind und besser für 70-90-mm-Bits geeignet sind.
Das ist es, was Wera in ihren Kits paart.
Ich habe den Wiha 40331 aus diesem Grund gemieden - er ist zu lang für meine Bedürfnisse.
Es scheint die beste Beibehaltung der Verriegelungsoptionen zu haben.
wolf_from_wv
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Both, supplemented by extra long regular screwdrivers.
While changing the battery connector on an electronic dragon, I had to buy a 12" #2 Phillips at Lowes to reach the screws to take it apart, but that's something many people don't have a reason to fix...
While changing the battery connector on an electronic dragon, I had to buy a 12" #2 Phillips at Lowes to reach the screws to take it apart, but that's something many people don't have a reason to fix...
I've got the Felo double-ended multi-blade with the "smart" driver handle. If wobble concerns you, I don't think it's the one you're after. I don't notice it in use, but I can feel a little wobble when I grab the end and wiggle it. I like it a lot personally - it's sometimes really handy to be able to use it as a T-handle.
Alternately I also use a Vessel ball grip driver. No wobble on this one. I like it a lot too actually. It's really handle for electrical work with the #2 phillips and flat blade combo.
Both of those options have very good screwdriver tips and comfortable handles.
Alternately I also use a Vessel ball grip driver. No wobble on this one. I like it a lot too actually. It's really handle for electrical work with the #2 phillips and flat blade combo.
Both of those options have very good screwdriver tips and comfortable handles.
I put a small shim from a beer can in my Felo Smart handle; tightens it right up. It's about an inch long and covers three sides of the hexagonal socket. It falls out every now and again; at some point I plan to epoxy it in place.
Count me as a fan of the Smart handle. It works very well as a conventional driver, and then when you need a little extra oomph it is nice to unfold it and apply torque in a very controlled way without killing your wrist.
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KnurledNut
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The Festool (by Wiha) is hard to find. Many prefer it over the new Wera version.
Actually the depicted small Festool (by Wiha) version is impossible to find. So just now i ordered 1pc of 40331 for 15€ shipped, special total (with shipping costs waived hehe). Not all geman online dealers are tight-fisted, fortunately, thank you!
Delivery time is 3 weeks tho, np
BTW, the 40331 was first introduced to market in 2015, i asked Wiha about it. To me, that's rather recent, haha. So the odds are that not maany of us know/have this product already!
Delivery time is 3 weeks tho, np
BTW, the 40331 was first introduced to market in 2015, i asked Wiha about it. To me, that's rather recent, haha. So the odds are that not maany of us know/have this product already!
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Bits seem more logical but somehow I practically never grab my bit driver. Can't beat a solid screwdriver, and I did use slotted ones in the past too. The bit chuck is just too chunky for me to like it.
Personally, I'd get one classic slotted screwdriver and one ISO 8763-1 (phillips/JIS) screwdriver in the size you'll most likely encounter, and then a bit set for rare uses.
Personally, I'd get one classic slotted screwdriver and one ISO 8763-1 (phillips/JIS) screwdriver in the size you'll most likely encounter, and then a bit set for rare uses.
KnurledNut
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Its all in what you do. While being fairly light-weight, screwdrivers can take up lots of room. Its not uncommon to see an entire tool chest drawer consumed by them. While it can look cool, the handles are extremely redundant. In a shop setting, its no big deal. Grab and go works.
However, being itinerant is a different beast. If a person has never been there, they likely wont understand.
I will say that there is little replacement for a regular hefty beater flathead screwdriver/chisel/prybar.
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Wiha 76000 blade handle hands down the best I have used for general work. Want a smaller handle buy the ESD version 38701. Some good youtube videos on these handles. Best fit with every power blade I have and no need for proprietary blades. If you loose or break a PB Swiss proprietary blade good luck getting a timely replacement. Only draw back is they are both soft finish handles that are susceptible to oil/grease.
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The small version of the Wiha power blade handle is the ESD version #38701.
just for the record, in the europes the number is 32161.
"smaller" only in handle diameter. the total length is the same.
the higher asking price is imho only due to lower mass production volume and lower demand. i can find 22€ quotes but the handle size is pretty much the same so i ordered the cheaper bigger handle.
haha
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KnurledNut
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Thanks for the info. Its been some time ago, but I have watched the videos you mentioned.
Ive noticed some sellers list it by 387ESD, which is on the tool, even though the above number is what Wiha specs.
On Amazon, you'll get different listings searching for each.
I have handles and dont really need this, especially for $40.
Bits.
The idea that if you break a handle and a huge amount of tools becomes useless… I am not a fan of that.
I probably have 10 different bit drivers… and I almost always go for a regular screwdriver. When I do grab a bit driver, it is usually the regular or stubby Snap-on.
The idea that if you break a handle and a huge amount of tools becomes useless… I am not a fan of that.
I probably have 10 different bit drivers… and I almost always go for a regular screwdriver. When I do grab a bit driver, it is usually the regular or stubby Snap-on.
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you mean breaking a bit handle (bit driver)?
yeah could happen.
a new bit holder costs inexpensive, nothing to be worried bout
No, the ones for specialized screwdriver blades. I do not like those.you mean breaking a bit handle (bit driver)?
yeah could happen.
a new bit holder costs inexpensive, nothing to be worried bout