My 24X24 build thread.

[old__man]

Today I finished up everything else else. Did some additional bracing. Moved a few hangers around. Tuck taped up the rest of the tyvek. And completed the sub fascias. Back to work Monday.

Personally I would snap a chalk line and even out the overhang. The fascia will have a wave in it otherwise

Too late, I didn't bother. No real wave that I can tell.

Just got a quote from the electrician. I think he is asking way too much money. I'm going to have to shop around. It is very tempting to just do it all myself without a permit.

Back to my real job tomorrow.

 

[newfiemustang]

The guys that done mine ran a line and just drew the fascia board out flush to the line. They used galvanized nails as they said the board would not move on it like they would with common wire nails.

They were "professionals"!! LOL!!

Garage is looking really good! Keep the updates coming!

 

[Unruh]

Garage looks great! I'm looking forward to seeing more.

 

[bad_idea]

In my area, it is perfectly legal to do the electrical yourself with a permit. It is required to have a licensed electrician OR property owner do the work. Check your county. I would suggest you do a VERY basic electrical setup in the garage yourself to get it through inspection. I'm talking electrical line to shop, fuse panel, overhead light, and a couple outlets. Two circuits total.

That gets you paperwork that states you pulled a permit for electrical to the shop. Will come in handy if you decide to sell. You can add additional electrical as time and money permit.

 

[old__man]

In my area, it is perfectly legal to do the electrical yourself with a permit. It is required to have a licensed electrician OR property owner do the work. Check your county.

I checked. Here one needs to be a licenced electrician to pull a permit. Simple as that.

The quote I just got back is $4200. Apparently $2000 of that is materials. I am having difficulty believing this.

 

[old__man]

Another question for everyone.

Ridge vents. The vent I ordered without thinking was the roll of cobra vent. Should I take it back and get the cobra snow country one?

 

[bad_idea]

I checked. Here one needs to be a licenced electrician to pull a permit. Simple as that.

The quote I just got back is $4200. Apparently $2000 of that is materials. I am having difficulty believing this.

Damn. That *****. Know any electricians? In your shoes, I would see if I can find one that will work with me. Basically find one that will pull the permit, and allow me to do the grunt work, while they do the important items and do the inspections. Perhaps you can scale back the work to be completed by the electrician to the bare minimum. Then at a later date you complete the electrical install.

 

[old__man]

Perhaps you can scale back the work to be completed by the electrician to the bare minimum. Then at a later date you complete the electrical install.

Ya, it's pretty bare now. I was actually tempted to just get the electrician to put in a sub panel and that's it. Pass inspections and be done with it all. Do the rest on my own. I have a feeling, however, that the inspector would clue into what I was trying to do.

 

[BoilermakerFan]

Ya, it's pretty bare now. I was actually tempted to just get the electrician to put in a sub panel and that's it. Pass inspections and be done with it all. Do the rest on my own. I have a feeling, however, that the inspector would clue into what I was trying to do.

I don't know the laws for Canada, and even in the US it varies by local to some extent, but generally speaking all US electrical has to be done to meet a version of the National Electric Code. The Code's main purpose is to prevent electrical fires so it is the minimum requirements to do this.

17 years ago we bought our house and I pulled a homeowners permit to completely rewire my house and garage. I had to have a Master Electrician set the riser, electric meter, and pull the wire the from the riser to my main breaker in the panel. After that, I could do everything else. Crazy part was, under our rules, I was allowed to hire a licensed electrician to do up to 60% of the work if I wanted to so I did hire out a little of the work because they were circuits I didn't want to mess with. I have some funny stories of dealing with my inspector, but they are all good. I didn't have any nightmare issues because I did all of my homework and asked a lot of questions to the inspector specific to how he wanted to see things done if there was more than one way to meet Code.

So see if you can pull a Homeowners permit to do the wiring. But have a plan of where everything will go an show the sub-feed entrance, panel location, call out the conduit size, etc. The more detail you have on your plan, the more confident the inspector will be about your abilities. I'd be very surprised if don't have this option.

And one comment about doing the work without a permit... if you have an electrical fire start in the garage, insurance won't pay a dime because the garage was not done to Code or inspected, there will be nothing on file to prove it was originally done correctly. Calculate all of your costs, the time you have invested (even at $10/hr it will be a big $$$$), and the value of everything you plan to, or think you will, put in the garage. Then imagine having to spend that entire sum of money again if it were to burn down. I can guarantee it's at least 3 times more than even the $4K the one electrician quoted.

 

[old__man]

I'd be very surprised if don't have this option.

I, unfortunately, don't. Only an electrician can apply for/pull a permit.

And one comment about doing the work without a permit... if you have an electrical fire start in the garage, insurance won't pay a dime because the garage was not done to Code or inspected, there will be nothing on file to prove it was originally done correctly. Calculate all of your costs, the time you have invested (even at $10/hr it will be a big $$$$), and the value of everything you plan to, or think you will, put in the garage. Then imagine having to spend that entire sum of money again if it were to burn down. I can guarantee it's at least 3 times more than even the $4K the one electrician quoted.

Ya, that's why I am probably not going to go that route.

 

[newfiemustang]

Here is the style roof vent they put on mine.

I've never had any issues with it.

 

[old__man]

Here is the style roof vent they put on mine.

I've never had any issues with it.

No moisture build up in the attic due to it freezing up or getting packed in snow?

 

[Notgrownup]

Snow and ice is what I would worry about...

 

[Platonic Solid]

You've inspired me to check my town code and see if I can build a foundation free slab garage. Never occurred to me that they would allow that.

 

[T_R]

Ya, it's pretty bare now. I was actually tempted to just get the electrician to put in a sub panel and that's it. Pass inspections and be done with it all. Do the rest on my own. I have a feeling, however, that the inspector would clue into what I was trying to do.

Have the electrician put in a couple outlets and a light fixture. That is believable, it's all most non enthusiast garages have.

 

[T_R]

You've inspired me to check my town code and see if I can build a foundation free slab garage. Never occurred to me that they would allow that.

It's the way all garages are built here on the coast in Maine, mine included. Floating or "Alaska" slabs. You really can't excavate for frost line foundations, there is too much ledge. Not much different than across the water in Nova Scotia I suspect.

 

[newfiemustang]

My attic is an unfinished loft, my Trusses are 12 on 12 Pitch. I have never seen any snow or rain penetrate the vent. Mine has been there about 5 or so years now and not a hitch, no dampness at all, even with all the blowing snow and horizontal rain we get out here on the East Coast.

 

[Notgrownup]

My attic is an unfinished loft, my Trusses are 12 on 12 Pitch. I have never seen any snow or rain penetrate the vent. Mine has been there about 5 or so years now and not a hitch, no dampness at all, even with all the blowing snow and horizontal rain we get out here on the East Coast.

You know , now that I think of it, my BIL in Bathurst NB has that roof vent and the roof pitch is only 5/12

 

[old__man]

Finally managed to get a bit of work done this afternoon.

Sheathed about 3/4 of it. It wasn't too bad getting sheets up there. I was going to create a lift using a ladder and my quad winch but then thought it be simpler to just brute strength them up. I set up a 6' stage. Lifted them onto that and then from there lifted them onto the roof.

Weather looks good for the weekend so hopefully I can start on the shingles. I've never shingled. Should be another good learning experience.

 

[Notgrownup]

Looks great man, great progress. Shoot some track lines for reference and stay as straight as possible. Once you put you drip edges (remember to put the felt paper under the drip edge on the gable ends and over the drip edge on the sides) starter strip with a slight overhang , shoot a chalk line and stay straight...I watched a few YouTube videos and I went at it...Turned out really good for me.

 

[old__man]

Looks great man, great progress. Shoot some track lines for reference and stay as straight as possible. Once you put you drip edges (remember to put the felt paper under the drip edge on the gable ends and over the drip edge on the sides) starter strip with a slight overhang , shoot a chalk line and stay straight...I watched a few YouTube videos and I went at it...Turned out really good for me.

That is the plan. I have some ice and water I have to put as well. The other part of the plan is to start with the side that only the neighbours can see. I like to call that the 'learning side'.

 

[Notgrownup]

Good deal....I wish you well fellow coaster.

 

[old__man]

Good deal....I wish you well fellow coaster.

Thanks! Either way I am having fun and learning lots. That was the whole point of this. It's been a time....


My latest question.

 

[Notgrownup]

I learned a lot as well...sure is a lot of helpful people here and YouTube is very helpful.

 

[old__man]

Today I got the rest of the sheathing down, the ice and water, the drip edge on the eave, and the underlayment. It started misting so I didn't get the drip edge on the rakes. I just wanted to get off the roof. I don't know what the synthetic underlay is like when it is wet and I didn't want to find out either.

Tomorrow it's suppose to rain so I might just put up the garage door. What am I suppose to do with the house wrap? Just tape it to the edge of the openings?

This is the set up I had to get the sheathing up.

 

[lakeroadster]

That's going to be an awesome space. Nice overhangs, it'll lock great.

What am I suppose to do with the house wrap? Just tape it to the edge of the openings?

I pulled the wrap tight into the openings, then stapled it inside the opening. Used a carpenter square or level as a straight edge to cut it parallel to the sheathing with a box knife. Then came back and taped it in areas that I thought needed it.

That tape is expensive... and the windows and doors will seal to the outside of the building.

 

[old__man]

Nice overhangs, it'll lock great.

Ya, I am thinking about what to do with the overhangs. Either I do the traditional soffit boxes or the other option I was thinking of is to do angled soffits.


So this morning when I woke up I had never handled, let alone, nailed a shingle in my life.

All I have to say is bundles of shingles are ****** heavy.

Tomorrow's plan is to do the other side and do the ridge vent.

 

[Notgrownup]

Looks good from here in the chair.

 

[couch67]

Great build, I will be watching!

couch

 

[newfiemustang]

Looking really good Old_Man!!

You are going to have a nice place when it is finished!!

 

[old__man]

Accomplishments for today: Picked up 4 more bundles of shingles, ordered my fascia flatstock, and picked up my interior wall cladding.

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[amkluttz]

Is that Tacoma begging you for mercy? My '99 would not be happy with me but I've been amazed at what I can haul with it. They are good trucks.

 

[old__man]

I've done worse. Truth be told I was more worried about the trailer.

That was a good 1000km trip including mountains. You don't even want to know what the mileage was.

 

[old__man]

This mornings progress. Got the shingles up on the roof. It sucked.

 

[old__man]

All that is left to do on the roof is trim the edges. I am not overly happy with how the ridge vent shingles are secured but I'll give it a day or two in the sun to see if they form better.

 

[Notgrownup]

They lay down better after a full summer...

 

[old__man]

They lay down better after a full summer...

I hope they last until then, it's just a degree or two above freezing right now.

 

[Notgrownup]

They look fine to me...you’d be surprised how much abuse those things can take.

 

[newfiemustang]

When mine where done the guys placed a couple of 2"x 6" on them and then placed some weight on the 2 x 6 to settle them down. They told me to leave for a couple of days and then take it off.

Worked for mine, but it was warmer weather.

 

[couch67]

I remember putting shingles on a friends boathouse a few years back, late in the year. same thing, the ridges didnt form nicely because of the colder weather. we let it go and sure enough they settled down on their own after a few days in the sun. even in the fall, the sun will help put them in their place!