Ok, China might have some good stuff. But India and Pakistan? The only tools I have seen from there (like my gear puller set from HF) are pretty bad.
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Ok, China might have some good stuff. But India and Pakistan? The only tools I have seen from there (like my gear puller set from HF) are pretty bad.
-B-
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Most surgical tools are made in Pakistan they are high quality and cheap enough to be deposed of after use. ( standard medical practice now)
mechamunch
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Laughing out loud at that one!
Hard to take someone seriously that doesn't know how to write a coherent sentence.
Thanks. Yeah, not what he said but how he said it. That guy's bringing all the pro American-made folks down a few notches.
Art From De Leon
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LOL, this is rich coming from the guy who sold all his Snap On tools and replaced then with tools from Harbor Freight claiming they will serve you just as well as Snap On, MAC, Matco or Cornwell.
How is what autoace posted "rich" in light of what he did with his tools? First, he made the point that the OP of the thread cares. Ok, that part isn't "rich." Then he points out that our little sarcastic member shouldn't be so sarcastic. That doesn't seem "rich" either.
Looks like your imagination is what's "rich."
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How is what autoace posted "rich" in light of what he did with his tools? First, he made the point that the OP of the thread cares. Ok, that part isn't "rich." Then he points out that our little sarcastic member shouldn't be so sarcastic. That doesn't seem "rich" either.
Looks like your imagination is what's "rich."
LOL, he is the one who has went on rants about how those Harbor Freight China made tools work just as good and hold up every bit as long as Snap On, MAC, Cornwell and Matco, and now he wants to go back to being an American tool supporter?
Maybe those Harbor Freight tools are not as good as he tried to make them out to be. I guess that Harbor Freight tool truck does not visit his shop, oh wait a minute he admitted his shop is an old barn in the country, I doubt he had Snap On, Cornwell, MAC and Matco traveling to him either.
ToolGlutton
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No personal attack please. Different people have different preferences for their tools depending on their needs. I have many Snap on tools that I adore so much, but I've never even broken a Harbor Freight tool. 
nate379
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Lots of stuff from Pakistan and India. Lot of axle shafts and ring and pinions are made in India too.
Are you trying to be obnoxious and combative, or is it just that you can't help yourself? 
Where in his post here is autoace now saying anything about buying American tools? In the post, he merely points out that the ORIGINAL POSTER of this thread obviously cares about it.
And then, knowing nothing about him, you are going to bust on his shop being in an old barn? If I could find an old-school mechanic who worked out of a kickass old barn, I'd give him all my business. If he worked with tools other than three-times-the-price SO, all the better. I'd know he didn't have to dry-bone me in the pucker just to pay overhead on a fancy shop and platinum wrenches.
Are you a SO employee, or just a rabid fan? I certainly hope you are not the former, because it'd be bad PR for them.
This is your third month here, I see. See if you can learn the ropes of how most of us try to treat each other.
Where in his post here is autoace now saying anything about buying American tools? In the post, he merely points out that the ORIGINAL POSTER of this thread obviously cares about it.
And then, knowing nothing about him, you are going to bust on his shop being in an old barn? If I could find an old-school mechanic who worked out of a kickass old barn, I'd give him all my business. If he worked with tools other than three-times-the-price SO, all the better. I'd know he didn't have to dry-bone me in the pucker just to pay overhead on a fancy shop and platinum wrenches.
Are you a SO employee, or just a rabid fan? I certainly hope you are not the former, because it'd be bad PR for them.
This is your third month here, I see. See if you can learn the ropes of how most of us try to treat each other.
I didn't replace SO tools with Harbor Freight ones. They were replaced by Cornwell, Craftsman, Proto, etc....I have some HF tools, mostly in my travel boxes. All tool companies except for Wright, are quilty of the import manufacturing, without disclosing origin. MAC is real bad, Cornwell is almost as bad, and even Snap-on is doing it.
You should get your facts straight. Just because you like to drag Snap-on chrome across your *** cheeks, does not make them superior. Bet you have a Snap-on decal for your truck, and a jacket, hats, etc.....You walk around like a big Snap-off. I was going to let this go, already responding to you in a previous post, But every post I ever read from you is a little ***** comment.
So report me, or post 100 more of your, WAAAAAAA! you didn't love SO, so you are rich posts. Whatever, you are a twerp.:stfu: LOL or better yet, come find my barn in the country. That would be real rich LOL
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lbgradwell
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All tool companies except for Wright, are quilty of the import manufacturing, without disclosing origin. MAC is real bad, Cornwell is almost as bad, and even Snap-on is doing it.
Armstrong also claims to be all USA... Has this been disproved yet?
Diesel_Crawler
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Now that was worth a good old belly laugh right there, were in Maine is your barn? I'm in Woodstock ill hope across the border and we can have a beer!
T56 Impala
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People not caring is exactly why our country is in the state it is in right now.....and headed down hill.
I'm guilty of buying off shore tools. usually its a matter of convenience. There are quality tools from over seas. Well, I have yet to see one from India, but that's another story!
I'm guilty of buying off shore tools. usually its a matter of convenience. There are quality tools from over seas. Well, I have yet to see one from India, but that's another story!
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Diesel_Crawler
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All you need to do is learn to speak Chinese and you will be Ok.
See this is what happens when you told japan/china they could not make weapons of war in there factory's any more. They started taking over in a more peaceful, Profitable way.
See this is what happens when you told japan/china they could not make weapons of war in there factory's any more. They started taking over in a more peaceful, Profitable way.
Take the CAT to Bar harbor, we could have a beer at Geddy's. My barn is a ways out, but I have customers, as far away as Massachusetts.
Your the one who does everything you can to try and tell the young guys to stay away from the truck brands.
Like another poster said, you are better off staying with the first tier tools then to buy up a bunch of second and third tier tools.
Buy it right the first time and you will save much more money in the long run then you spent in the short run.
You have an admitted problem with Snap On, MAC and Matco you have admitted as much in past posts. You are a Harbor Freight kind of guy, be proud of that instead of always having to put down the big boys on the block.
Some of us can afford to buy from the big boys of the tool business some of you are just on a Harbor Freight budget.
I rarely ever break a quality tool, if I had Harbor Freight tools I expect I would be on a first name basis with the counter clerk at the local Harbor Freight store returning all the broken tools.
Craftsman is just a step above Harbor Freight these days.
Like another poster said, you are better off staying with the first tier tools then to buy up a bunch of second and third tier tools.
Buy it right the first time and you will save much more money in the long run then you spent in the short run.
You have an admitted problem with Snap On, MAC and Matco you have admitted as much in past posts. You are a Harbor Freight kind of guy, be proud of that instead of always having to put down the big boys on the block.
Some of us can afford to buy from the big boys of the tool business some of you are just on a Harbor Freight budget.
I rarely ever break a quality tool, if I had Harbor Freight tools I expect I would be on a first name basis with the counter clerk at the local Harbor Freight store returning all the broken tools.
Craftsman is just a step above Harbor Freight these days.
Diesel_Crawler
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Take the CAT to Bar harbor, we could have a beer at Geddy's. My barn is a ways out, but I have customers, as far away as Massachusetts.
Darn it i was just there last week! Looking at Some sewer pumpers.
I wish they had a jack astors there, or at least if they do i can't find it.
Could get some nice tap and tomato juice!
You know i thought about standing behind your point about buying good tools the first go, But now you can just go to Fiddlers green. Oh if you don't know were that is, it's 10 miles past hell.
global72
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You typically get what you pay for. Snap On Mac and Matco need to be better for the price. But they are not better because they are US made. They are better because the design and quality the companies demand in manufacturing.
When importing product or manufacturing in the US the factories build what you order.
It is not like I order 25,000 cheap A%$ pullers from a US factory and they just upgrade the materials at their expense to make a better product. And they would not refuse the order based on the principle that because they are US based company they only build top quality.
When importing product or manufacturing in the US the factories build what you order.
It is not like I order 25,000 cheap A%$ pullers from a US factory and they just upgrade the materials at their expense to make a better product. And they would not refuse the order based on the principle that because they are US based company they only build top quality.
Geez, Am I disappointed now, I have a months worth of backup, due to being busy, in my little barn. I guess I should call all of the customers on the schedule, and tell them I can't do the job, because I have all the specialty tools and equipment, but don't have Snap-on sockets to turn their cars bolts.
Darn, I was making 4 figures a week, without Snap-on tools, but now that I am not a "big boy" with Snap-on tools, I know now I must hang up my hat. Darn I had no idea, passing up Snap-on would have such consequences. I better tell my Cornwell guy on monday, to stop coming. shucks!
I had a Volvo today, that wouldn't open it's hood. It saw Craftsman Pro wrenches on the tool cart, and said no way, my tools were not up to snuff. Guess I better go look for Herbie.LOL
Art From De Leon
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"Buy it right the first time and you will save much more money in the long run then you spent in the short run.
You have an admitted problem with Snap On, MAC and Matco you have admitted as much in past posts. You are a Harbor Freight kind of guy, be proud of that instead of always having to put down the big boys on the block.
Some of us can afford to buy from the big boys of the tool business some of you are just on a Harbor Freight budget.
I rarely ever break a quality tool, if I had Harbor Freight tools I expect I would be on a first name basis with the counter clerk at the local Harbor Freight store returning all the broken tools.
Craftsman is just a step above Harbor Freight these days."
I agree with all the above. The ONLY Craftsman tools I bought were to take back to work where I knew that the helpers would wind up loosing them, but they were expense items, so I did not really care. If it was a tool that I would use, or be there to supervise, I would buy either Matco, or Blue Point, namely because there could be NO confusion with the rig mechanic's tools.
As far as Harbor Freight, I have NEVER been in one of their stores, and they took me off their mailing list after I told them what I thought about their kosher merchandise.
I never saw the point in buying a tool, breaking it, taking it back to be replaced under warranty, only to be given a replacement that was of the same 'quality' as the one it replaced.
You have an admitted problem with Snap On, MAC and Matco you have admitted as much in past posts. You are a Harbor Freight kind of guy, be proud of that instead of always having to put down the big boys on the block.
Some of us can afford to buy from the big boys of the tool business some of you are just on a Harbor Freight budget.
I rarely ever break a quality tool, if I had Harbor Freight tools I expect I would be on a first name basis with the counter clerk at the local Harbor Freight store returning all the broken tools.
Craftsman is just a step above Harbor Freight these days."
I agree with all the above. The ONLY Craftsman tools I bought were to take back to work where I knew that the helpers would wind up loosing them, but they were expense items, so I did not really care. If it was a tool that I would use, or be there to supervise, I would buy either Matco, or Blue Point, namely because there could be NO confusion with the rig mechanic's tools.
As far as Harbor Freight, I have NEVER been in one of their stores, and they took me off their mailing list after I told them what I thought about their kosher merchandise.
I never saw the point in buying a tool, breaking it, taking it back to be replaced under warranty, only to be given a replacement that was of the same 'quality' as the one it replaced.
You are a very smart man. Buy quality and it will serve you well, buy junk and it will let you down when it is most needed.
"Snap on" is clearly a mental case. He says he wont leave his hot little nest in a place he's too ball-less to name, because there are "snobs" up north. Then he says he has enough money to buy SO tools, but the rest of us are on HF budgets. Now, that is some great verbal irony right there, but I'm sure he doesn't see it.
This board is mostly good folks, but there's always a worm in the fruit bowl somewhere.
This board is mostly good folks, but there's always a worm in the fruit bowl somewhere.
paramudduck
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Damn if Snap on tools make you act like this I think I will write the control folks in DC and lobby for them to be banned.
They are just a tool folks not a god! Get over it. Or be tools and bend over and grunt as they sell you global components.
They are just a tool folks not a god! Get over it. Or be tools and bend over and grunt as they sell you global components.
caper
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I can't believe this thread has turned into another snap on/craftsman bashing thread.This **** gets so old.Think what you like about either brand,they both get the job done.Buy what you like and can afford.These never ending pointless bashing threads are just stupid.I've heard it said by many who don't post here regularly anymore that they just got so tired of the endless snap on/craftsman feuding they can't be bothered anymore.I can see where they're coming from.
In this case, we have one berserker member who is rampaging about SO tools being superior and all else sucking balls. Just focus the blame on him and send the message. We need to keep this site healthy.
ToolGlutton
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Let me state it this way
Can a Rolex keep the time? Yes.
Do I have to own a Rolex to keep the time? No.
Is it wise to buy a Rolex directly? It depends.
Just my 2 cents.
Can a Rolex keep the time? Yes.
Do I have to own a Rolex to keep the time? No.
Is it wise to buy a Rolex directly? It depends.
Just my 2 cents.
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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He never said any such thing. He advised the young guys not to feel like they had to go way into debt to buy tools when they were starting out. He advised them to get familiar with some of the cheaper brands to find out what worked and what didn't.
Snap on, I find it amusing that you refer to the 'snobby north' yet you're the tool snob. You've been on this board three months and you still can't post without being combative.
Maybe you need to find another tool forum.
c39er
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As to HF stores and cheap Chinese tools--- Whats up with the awful strange smell in all the HF stores.. It's the chinese rubber stuff in those stores I guess. Do the chinese mold all the rubber items loaded with all their hazarous waste and send it back to us? That wierd smell by itself keeps me out of those places!
Merkava_4
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I just wish Snap-on was the quality they were back in the 1990s.
He never said any such thing. He advised the young guys not to feel like they had to go way into debt to buy tools when they were starting out. He advised them to get familiar with some of the cheaper brands to find out what worked and what didn't.
Snap on, I find it amusing that you refer to the 'snobby north' yet you're the tool snob. You've been on this board three months and you still can't post without being combative.
Maybe you need to find another tool forum.
Ban me, seems pretty simple to me. Autowhatever has bashed all the big tool companies, he does not like them fine, I will continue to buy mostly Snap On, but I will also buy from Cornwell, MAC and Matco.
I say you are just wasting your money buying cheap tools. You say your cheap tools are just as good as the big four. The success of Snap On, MAC, Matco and Cornwell with their sell by truck only methods shows that quality sells. Craftsman nor Harbor Freight would ever survive if they had to sell that way because their quality is far to lacking.
There have been posts in this forum about how a good number of craftsman wrenches and sockets do not fit fasteners very well. Countless posts about the lack of quality of the Harbor Freight tools, just a couple of days ago someone bought then returned without even using a 3/4 inch socket set, all he did was open the box and he saw how terrible the quality was.
Why would you steer young techs to such horrible tool choices. The big four survive because they provide service and quality products that Harbor Freight, Sears and other stores can't touch.
I will admit that if a young tech fills his box with Horrible Freight or Caveman Tools that when they do break them they can at least go to their local stores and get a replacement low quality tool if it is in stock.
If they go the mail order TopTul route and they break a needed tool they may be out of luck for two or three weeks if things go quickly, if not they could be out of an important tool for a month or more.
I highly doubt Autowhatever has a month back log of work. I don't know that many people in this economy that would one be able to do without their vehicle for a month and two even in a good economy 99% of the people will go find a reputable shop that can do the work in a timely manner.
Oh no! I have to change my name to auto whatever. I have helper MANY folks on this good forum fix their cars, how about you?
I have a months worth of work on the schedule, not sitting in the yard genius.
I have BMW customers that have all the major work done on their cars, while up here at their summer camps. They could have had it done 300 to 1000 miles away, but bring them to my "barn" go figure.
I may not be "fancy", but I know my profession real well. If I didn't, I doubt anyone would drive out to my barn by the ocean, but they do.
You picked the fight twerp, I looked at your other posts, you never have anything constructive to say. You just spew junk.
:stfu:
First of all, you talk to much. Blah blah blah.
Second of all, why should anyone have to ban you? Are you twelve years old? A respectable adult should be able to behave on a public forum in a way that would make banning unnecessary.
Everything you say, and especially when you belittle a long-standing member of good repute, shows you to be a douchebag.
You are both legends in your own minds.
keyboard tough guys LOL at both of you.
Bull is is a great name for you, you are full of it. Your buddy admitted in a post that is working out of a barn, I highly doubt that people who buy BMW's and Volvo's and other high dollar cars seek out some guy who works out of a barn with a Harbor Freight tool box full of Harbor Freight tools.
Down here in the nice warm sunny south we work on cars from all over the country as they swarm to my area for six months out of the year, you do not impress me.
keyboard tough guys LOL at both of you.
Bull is is a great name for you, you are full of it. Your buddy admitted in a post that is working out of a barn, I highly doubt that people who buy BMW's and Volvo's and other high dollar cars seek out some guy who works out of a barn with a Harbor Freight tool box full of Harbor Freight tools.
Down here in the nice warm sunny south we work on cars from all over the country as they swarm to my area for six months out of the year, you do not impress me.
Merkava_4
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Out here in California, people pay big money to go to restaurants decorated up as old barns. There's even a place called the "Spaghetti Factory" that has cast iron sprinkler pipes hanging down from the ceiling painted bright red that are visible from your dining table. Seems like they got an English style phone booth in the place too if I recall correctly.
"Legends in our own minds"? Hello, this is the 1970s calling, we'd like our cliche back.
To be clear, you are the egotistical douchebag who likes to come in here and throw your BS around. Don't confuse my reacting to that BS with something it is not.
Sweet dis on my fictitious screen name. Not sure I'll recover either from the originality of your attack or its potency.
And why should I give a **** about impressing you? You are a discourteous, bitter little anonymous nobody who showed up on a website and started whining about tools and other members who are respected here.
To be clear, you are the egotistical douchebag who likes to come in here and throw your BS around. Don't confuse my reacting to that BS with something it is not.
Sweet dis on my fictitious screen name. Not sure I'll recover either from the originality of your attack or its potency.
And why should I give a **** about impressing you? You are a discourteous, bitter little anonymous nobody who showed up on a website and started whining about tools and other members who are respected here.