My wolverine experience and rookie install

[mike_c70]

It's time to share my epoxy install and wolverine experience.

Let me first say that Fred has been absolutely awesome and a pleasure to deal with. He answered ALL my questions (the dumb ones as well), the ordering process was straightforward. To have Fred available as I go through my install is a Godsend.

Anyways, I have a typical 375sqft 2 car garage with a small ledge for the washer and dryer. Here's the garage:

Besides a few spots it was already quite clean to begin with. I think the previous owners only had one car so there weren't a lot of bad spots. After multiple cleaning sessions and acid etching:

Now my plan was to leave the expansion joints alone (I like the look) but upon closer examination, some of the joints were quite deep. So I decided to cover them up with Integraflex. Now this is where my noobness in all of this begins. Integraflex is MESSY!!! I think I messed up my first batch because I forgot to mix up each can so when I poured the hardener onto my resin, I only got the "juice" of the top of the can. I totally freaked out. So I poured out the "juice", whipped out the 1/2" drill and went at it in the metal container. So I hope the first batch comes out ok. Lesson learned. So anyways, Integraflex was close to impossible to get the ratios right because that stuff comes out of the can so thick. It's almost like thick wet cement. So 2nd rookie worry is that I hope my ratios are right.
3rd rookie worry is that I think I laid on the IFlex on too thick in the expansion joints.

You can see my messy work:

Here you can see how most of my expansion joints look like:

I take it I put it on way too much. I tried smoothing it out but I was always left with a small dip, so I poured some more. I think it stop going into the joints but now on the sides. One thing I did learned is to have as little gap between the joint and the cup, ie pour it as close as possible to the joint.

So tomorrow I will probably have to go scrape some of the Iflex to even it out a little. I was thinking of sanding it. Also, in order to fill up those little dips, can I pour new Iflex on top of what I already have? What should I do?

Man, I'm totally nervous to continue. I hope it goes better with the bondtite.

Stay tuned

Mike

 

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

Read my post on my floor experienxce and lessons learned. Might help the rest of your project.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18613

 

[Hellcat6]

Mike,

Thanks for sharing as you go through the process. I will be watching to see how it goes for you. I'm also a noob and not yet brave enough to try this.

 

[Dave88LX]

Search for me in here too, I have a pretty thorough write-up.

You can cut the Iflex down level with a razor. Wish I'd have thought of it!

 

[mike_c70]

Thanks ragtop and Dave - I spent an hour or so reading and re-reading your thread. Fred called me (thanks Fred!) and walked me through the process. I'll check the IFlex in a minute. I think I just panicked because I didn't get the rtios 100% correct but he said that the Iflex does have some play in it. As long as the resin and hardener are mixed, it should dry out.

I think I'm trying to make this floor too perfect!

 

[Dave88LX]

Once you flake it you won't even notice.

 

[mike_c70]

This morning, I scrapped up quite a bit if IFlex off the concrete. Man, I must've coated a few MM on some spots. 2nd time around with the Iflex was much better. I also let it sit in the mixing container a tad bit longer to thicken it up a little bit. Here are my results:

Took a picture of around the same spot as the spot with the previous dip in the joint, covered very well this time:

You can see how much cleaner and THINNER the 2nd go around is as opposed to the first time.

So, gonna let this sucker dry a bit and on to the Bondtite later this evening.

 

[mike_c70]

Did the bondtite coat earlier this evening. Started around 9:00pm, finished about 10:30 or so. It was pretty straightforward. I had (2) 3 quart kits so I used each kit for half of the garage. Emptied out the resin into a mixing container, added the hardener, it was close enough to 2:1. I decided for the 2nd batch, that I'm just going to pour the hardener directly into the can.
I cut the edges and then roll out the rest with a 3/8" 18" roller. One note though, the 18" roller ***** up the bondtite like no tomorrow. Make sure you have enough material to take the roller into consideration. After I was done, I squeezed out whatever was on the roller and it filled up about half of the little can (not sure what size the can is, 1 quart?). Anyways, good thing I had enough material to cover the whole floor although I don't think it's as thick as I would like or recommended. So here's the floor with bondtite on it (sorry for the crappy cell phone pic):

One big recommendation I have doing my coat is regarding the spiked shoes. Take some time walking around practicing with them on. I didn't and I've rolled my ankle quote a few times, my right ankle is a little sore right now!

Here is my flake choice:

I bought 10 lbs of flakes and only used up 7. The 3 extra lbs were of a darker color and I didn't want the floor to be too dark. I should've gone with more white but oh well! It's got the right color mixture that I want. Hopefully the coverage is enough.

It was interesting taking the picture because I didn't realize that my granite counter top was almost exactly the same color! I had to take a close up shot of the flakes, otherwise I couldn't tell!

Stay tuned for Liquatile tomorrow.

 

[brad d]

looks like the flakes are ready to go to Iraq

should look cool

 

[mike_c70]

Hahaha! LOL. Didn't think about that!

So the Liquatile went on this morning. Again pretty straighforward, using (1) 3 gallon kit, I split the garage in two and went at it. Also, the roller sucked up a lot of material as well, I know the 2nd batch was a little thing trying to cover the floor. I think Alphagarage suggested 10-20% extra. I think just get 1 1/2 times the amount needed, at least you won't run out of material. It doesn't hurt laying the coat thicker.
As far as flakes, I used the chicken feeding method while walking around. I had a few brain freezes where I loaded up on a few spots, but ah well, too late now. Anyways, on to pic.

The garage:

The flake pattern:

The end result was a little lighter than I wanted to. The flakes looked good in the mixing container but with the tan liquatile, it kinda washed it out some. It also didn't help that I also have tan flakes, so it makes it even lighter. But all in all, it matches the wall color quite well. I might not have to paint after all.

The little nook for the washer and dryer for me to practice on , the flake pattern is a little thicker so I know to go lighter on the rest of the floor:

One thing with the flakes... It hides mistakes and imperfections AWESOMELY (is that a word? LOL)
I'll finish off the Endurashield coat tomorrow morning. Superbowl is starting!

 

[04 Navi]

Looks great and thats because its the same color as my floor. No really thats awesome. I literally enjoy my floor everyday and as a matter of fact, some days I want to redo it so that it is perfect. Aww, but mistakes are what make the man, right?

 

[mike_c70]

Thanks! Your pics don't pop up anymore but I do remember reading your install though.

One thing I definitely agree with you is that eventhough you think you have enough based on square footage calculations, it's not enough. I would definitely recommend 1 1/2 times of what you think you need. I have a 375sqft garage and everything was ordered 400sqft minimum. I was pushing that limit. Like I mentioned, the roller definitely ***** up a lot of material. If I had to do it all over again, I'd order for a 2 1/2 or 3 car garage and use it on 2. I know I'm below the thickness limits on all my applications because I was stretching the material big time.

 

[mike_c70]

Got the Endurashield down this morning. Man that thing is tough to use because you can't see it! LOL! I ended backrolling one way and then backrolling again at a 90 degree angle. I think I got all of the floor. Now looking forward for it to dry!

 

[willot1]

Question about your order of events/applications...you did the crack filling with the Integraflex before the BondTite? I thought I had read else where that the BondTite goes down first. OR, is there no significant difference?
Nice looking floor, by the way.

 

[Jaguar Fan]

Looks Great! Nice job.

 

[AlphaGarage]

The IntegraFlex 1921 is self priming - so it can go down directly to a prepped substrate. However - nothing sticks like BondTite 1101. So if you're a belt and suspenders type apply some BondTite to the immediate area first. If just a belt works for you, apply the IntegraFlex and then prime it when you BondTite the entire floor.

And yes - when we say that EnduraShield is crystal clear, we ain't kidding! LiquaTile, even with DecoFlakes, is really glossy when it cures, and the EnduraShield is clear and also glossy when wet, so the gloss on gloss can make it challenging to see where you've applied EnduraShield and where you haven't.

A few tips to help avoid missing spots... Roll out each area in two different directions perpendicular to each other, have a strong single source light and hold it down low, and have a friend take a quick look to back you up.

Finally, if you have a bit extra material try reserve some unmixed EnduraShield for the next day when you have the opportunity to check out the cured coat. The 1.25 gallon kit is good for 500 ft2, and the .625 kit coats 250 ft2.

A quick reminder... unlike most of our other epoxy floor coatings, EnduraShield is not "the more the merrier," at least not during its application. Applied over 8 mils thick it may develop tiny bubbles. Although they don't much effect performance, they don't enhance the looks either. So if you do want a thicker clear coat, do it in multiple coats, each less than 8 mils wet.

If you do decide to go back and apply a bit more on missed or thin spots, since you might be outside of the overcoat time window, be sure to scruff up the previous coats of either LiquaTile and/or EnduraShield with a ScotchBrite pad or similar abrasive product, and then wipe it down with some denatured alcohol or MEK right before over coating.

 

['the epoxy floor guy']

First of all, Mike_C70 for a first floor it looks nice!

Again my ONLY reason for making this post is to show you that the issues you ran into SHOULD have been explained and explained as to avoid you having to "panic".

TWO of my pet peeves for companies that sell DIY stuff is they don't usually tell you Squat!

The panics and 'mistakes' you had are a result of your company not providing COMPLETE information.

Imagine the information you got to install your floor was the secret plans on how to make a nuclear bomb. And you were watching a video tape of the lab explosion. Right before the scientist blew up he was overhead saying "I wish he would have told me that BEFORE ..."

Once the floor is down is a Crappy time to give additional advice.

I'm sure he saw it and I'm sure embarrassed to say it, Below is your "finished" picture. Notice the spots I high lighted are Way darker than the rest?

This is a technique thing. I recommend if someone wants a heavy to full broadcast (like what you have) if they are concerned with their skills to order chips for a FULL BROADCAST.

Mostly to avoid floors that look like this ** AGAIN I AM NOT CRITCIZING YOU MIKE_C70, ONLY THE INADEQUATE INFORMATION YOU RECEIVED FROM WOLVERINE. **

My guess is you are NOT 100% satisfied with the chip dispersion either.

Because they charge a FORTUNE for their chips most people prefer to purchase less of them. It is possible to install your floor with 10#'s of chips. It takes SEVERAL floors at least to become even OK at it, 10+ to become "good". If everyone looking at this post "LIKES" that look, I'm sorry for bringing it up.

If you were thinking it but not saying it DON'T kill the messenger.

I am in the FINAL stages of editing and compiling my HUGE 200+ page Ebook on Epoxy floor installation. I am going to be selling it for AT LEAST $29 when it is released. BUT for all of you who will go to my website and SIGN UP NOW I will give you a copy (download) FREE! PLUS this includes a coupon for "FREE Install tool kit" ($110 value) when you purchase $500 or more from my webstore.

AVOID this problem. Get your name on the waiting list. By the way this ebook will be advice if you want to install My epoxy. Rustoleum, Quikrete, Wolverine, or ANY brand, Style Type of Epoxy. This comprehensive guide will give you a complete look at the options for epoxy out there. I go into GREAT detail explaining the difference between 100% Solids, Urethanes, Polyaspartics, Poly Ureas, Box store brands, Online stores and MUCH MUCH MORE.

This guide is unlike ANYTHING I have ever seen on the subject of epoxy floors. With TONS of photos, Illustrations, Troubleshooting tips, and on and on.

The reason I spent the hours creating this unique manual is to clear up the misinformation that is out there about all the available options. In fact There is a whole section devoted to getting a GREAT floor from the CHEAP Store brand epoxies. It is NOT as hard as you think.

Now I am expecting a FIRESTORM of HATE posts from Wolverine and Alpha Garage. For that I am sorry. You see if you have ALL the information you will realize there is an alternative to get a GREAT product without cracking into the kids' scholarship fund.

I too derive very little of the percentage of my income from the DIY market. I have been visiting this site now trying to get some insight into the "minds" of a purchaser of Epoxy Garage Floors.

It has been a GREAT experience. I was just SHOCKED at "professionals" spewing such propaganda. I believe that my product is GOOD. I believe it is a great BUY. But in the same respect Wolverines product is also good. Is it better? is it the "best"?

YOU DECIDE. Do you look at pictures of NEW cars on the internet and then order one sight unseen? NO

But it is hard for you to find epoxy products installed in order to compare. 99.5% of people who have experience with ONE type of flooring have ZERO experience with another. So installing that brand might have been the biggest Pain in the ****, or the easiest thing. You have NOTHING to compare it to. At least this manual will get an Idea what SPECIFIC things are the same and which ones are Completely Different.

Please Go to: http://ebook.vip.diyepoxystore.com/ Sign up and you will be notified with the DOWNLOAD link NO LATER than February 15,2009.

 

[FakeName]

Gotta say-

I've spoken with Fred on the phone, and his attitude is nothing like yours. And, despite what you write, I find your post-installation critique irritating and demoralizing. Here's a guy who's worked hard on his floor. He's not a self-proclaimed flooring expert, he's just a guy like me. He chose to share his experience, and I appreciate that. He chose to show his results, and YOU choose to critique it. Right down to modifying his image for your purposes.

You show a lot of class- all of it low.

I think when I'm ready to purchase flooring product, I will not consider you or your book.

Good day to you, sir.

 

['the epoxy floor guy']

Gotta say-

I've spoken with Fred on the phone, and his attitude is nothing like yours. And, despite what you write, I find your post-installation critique irritating and demoralizing. Here's a guy who's worked hard on his floor. He's not a self-proclaimed flooring expert, he's just a guy like me. He chose to share his experience, and I appreciate that. He chose to show his results, and YOU choose to critique it. Right down to modifying his image for your purposes.

You show a lot of class- all of it low.

I think when I'm ready to purchase flooring product, I will not consider you or your book.

Good day to you, sir.

As noted in at least two spots I told MikeC_70, that i am NOT intending to "irritate or demoralize"

My purpose was to show you "how" them sending you product as they do, without "all" the information YOU and MIKE_C70 and others are not getting the WHOLE picture.

It's NOT because their info is WRONG, It's NOT because their PRODUCT is Bad. It's NOT because the installer did not TRY.

It is because they sent out parts for a Nuclear bomb with the instructions written on a "napkin."

For me a complete success, When someone goes into your garage they should be so overwhelmed that they will not believe that YOU did it yourself.

It is VERY possible for EVERYONE to create the PERFECT FLOOR EVERY TIME.

In my opinion "they" are making $$ on the sale, then because of 'Oh I didn't Know" the DIY'r needs to purchase more product, Cha-Ching they make MORE money.

I can get 100% solids, sell them and make GREAT profit. Let's just say I can purchase an RESELL a 100% solids Clear Epoxy for $39/gal Colors $39/gal.

Full boxes of chips are ONLY $159 that's 50# @ $ 3.18/Lb and I still make Good money at that price.

Listen, DON'T buy MY product I am NOT going to lay awake at night worrying why "you" aren't buying. BUT I don't want to laying awake at night "worried" about the floor you installed. That the skills and equipment needed to install 100% solids I sold is NOT a common skill.

100% solids ARE NOT that expensive a product. I DON'T sell it because I DON'T believe in it.

Now I could have caved in to wolverine's "100% solids is the ONLY way to go" mentality. Sold MY 100% solids and made a buck. BUT, I am Unwilling to sell a product that in my opinion is NOT a product that a first time Newbie Homeowner can install the first time and get GOOD results.

I would rather sell NOTHING, than to sell a product I do not believe in.

 

[04 Navi]

As noted in at least two spots I told MikeC_70, that i am NOT intending to "irritate or demoralize"

My purpose was to show you "how" them sending you product as they do, without "all" the information YOU and MIKE_C70 and others are not getting the WHOLE picture.

It's NOT because their info is WRONG, It's NOT because their PRODUCT is Bad. It's NOT because the installer did not TRY.

It is because they sent out parts for a Nuclear bomb with the instructions written on a "napkin."

For me a complete success, When someone goes into your garage they should be so overwhelmed that they will not believe that YOU did it yourself.

It is VERY possible for EVERYONE to create the PERFECT FLOOR EVERY TIME.

In my opinion "they" are making $$ on the sale, then because of 'Oh I didn't Know" the DIY'r needs to purchase more product, Cha-Ching they make MORE money.

I can get 100% solids, sell them and make GREAT profit. Let's just say I can purchase an RESELL a 100% solids Clear Epoxy for $39/gal Colors $39/gal.

Full boxes of chips are ONLY $159 that's 50# @ $ 3.18/Lb and I still make Good money at that price.

Listen, DON'T buy MY product I am NOT going to lay awake at night worrying why "you" aren't buying. BUT I don't want to laying awake at night "worried" about the floor you installed. That the skills and equipment needed to install 100% solids I sold is NOT a common skill.

100% solids ARE NOT that expensive a product. I DON'T sell it because I DON'T believe in it.

Now I could have caved in to wolverine's "100% solids is the ONLY way to go" mentality. Sold MY 100% solids and made a buck. BUT, I am Unwilling to sell a product that in my opinion is NOT a product that a first time Newbie Homeowner can install the first time and get GOOD results.

I would rather sell NOTHING, than to sell a product I do not believe in.

What a bunch of horse ****. I couldn't care less what you are selling, but since you are pushing your book, I would say that you should go start your very own website and STAY THERE!!!!

Oh, and yes you are telling Mike that he's an idiot, because he cant read directions. Man I cant stand people like you who try to swoop in on other peoples hard work, and then tell us how much better you are.

Speaking as a consumer, I can say that if I were to ever do my floor again, I may not use Wolverine, but I would not consider even using a product that you have recommended, because in my opinion, whatever you say, or whatever you push is tainted.

As for you Mike, awesome job. I used the same color and I too had similair outcome except that I did not use endurashield, as it was not offered at the time. If I had to do it all over again though, it would be black with a heavy bright flake. Enjoy your floor.

 

[Nugent1021]

so how much did this Wolverine product cost on a sq ft basis, for you? I can't seem to find prices on it by doing a search.

Nice floor, congrats on getting it done and I hope you enjoy it for a while.

 

[AlphaGarage]

This project used:

1 x 3 gallon kit of LiquaTile 1184 -$225
2 x 3 quart kit of BondTite 1101 -$150
1 x 1.25 gallon kit EnduraShield - $179
Total for liquids - $554
554 / 375 ft2 = $1.47 per ft2

Additional materials:
10 lb DecoFlakes - $61.
1 gallon kit IntegraFlex $75
$136 / 375 $0.36 /ft2

Total material cost per ft2 = $1.83

Dry film thickness is 24.05 mils - not factoring in waste.

Our current prices for the BondTite 1101 and LiquaTile 1184 (most colors) is $75 per gallon in 3 gallon kits or $75 per 3 quart kit. Clearly no one is ever shipped three 3 quart kits since they would be the same price as a 3 gallon kit.

The EnduraShield is $179 per 1.25 gallon kit (500 ft2) or $116 per .625 gallon kit (250 ft2).

DecoFlakes - single colors 0-4 lbs, $9.80/lb; 5-24, $6.10/lb; 25-49, $4.90; 50+, $3.90. Custom color blends are slightly more expensive.

Hope that helps. If you'd like info for you own project, pricing, colors, etc; please email or pm me.

Thanks.

 

[Ovidiu]

Wow, I cannot believe you ('the epoxy floor guy') thought this was going to be a good idea to slam Wolverine and Fred/AlphaGarage on here, where everybody that's used their products hasn't had anything but good things to say about them. Totally classless move on your part, and I'm pretty sure it won't get you anywhere. The 10-15 or so people that installed their floors swear by the Wolverine products are worth it a lot more to me than the testimonial of an old lady who's had the floor professionally installed and can't tell a quality floor material from her, ahem, travertine tile...

Fred and WolverineCoatings have always shared all their tips and tricks openly in the numerous threads on here. They've given everyone good advice on how to do everything and get the best possible results, and they've been very open about everything. We may not all get the professional results you promise, but I'd rather compile my own list of dos and don'ts from the people that have done it before rather than pay $29 for an infomercial-ish ebook that promises the world and doesn't deliver or contains information that was available from other sources.

Two more points I wanted to make, first I would hope Wolverine/Fred make a profit on their sales so that they can keep making a living selling this stuff so I can buy it again when I need it and invest in improving the products. It is none of your business what their profit margin is, nobody asked you what yours was... The consumer has the ultimate choice among the many floor coating offerings out there on which they want to pick.

And second, yeah, maybe Mike's floor isn't 100% perfect in your eyes, and guess what, mine isn't either. I also know that I won't have a panel of judges come in every week and rate my floor on the slightly darker spots where I accidentally dropped more flakes. I'll have cars parked in there, my truck disassembled, tools and various other stuff on it all the time and what I am worried about is durability and resistance to abuse.

 

[Nugent1021]

I don't want to jack the thread, but thanks for the pricing. I have a 1326 sq ft attached garage being built, permits approved yesterday (and I'm not sure why it took a week considering those guys have NOTHING to do right now - zero construction going on here).

Any flooring options seem pricey for my sq ft, though. Thanks again.

 

[AlphaGarage]

For 1,326 we'd spec 9.75 g. of BondTite and 12 g. of LiquaTile, $1,650, or $1.24/ft2.

Only a week? You don't know how good you got it! Our last plans took almost 3 weeks, and 2 visits.

 

[drivinhard]

There's very few things you can do perfectly for the first time by just reading a book. Typically, you just gotta jump in there and do it. Screw it up a little, and learn/move on.

I think his floor looks pretty good and his flakes more even than the sorry job I did. lol (http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24559)

Even with the ~$1700 I did my Wolverine floor for, I'm still $3300 to the good of what I quoted by a pro to do. His probably would have looked a little better, but I give mine an 8.5 on a 10 scale and I did mine so I could clean up spills easy, not really for the looks alone.

When I did mine I thought Eric's/Fred's advice via posts, and email/phone was great. The only screw ups were on my end The product itself is fantastic.

Probably my best advice would be pick up another area that you might like to have a floor on (like a section of your basement, etc) and practice there first. Then do the one you really care about. If it was doing it again I would have just done my basement garage door/shop area first to practice, then my shop. As it is now, I plan to do my basement next to try a few different things (flakeless, etc) Then I will do my house garage last. I plan to use Wolverine again.

 

[Dave88LX]

I don't want to jack the thread, but thanks for the pricing. I have a 1326 sq ft attached garage being built, permits approved yesterday (and I'm not sure why it took a week considering those guys have NOTHING to do right now - zero construction going on here).

Any flooring options seem pricey for my sq ft, though. Thanks again.

You are right on about what I was working with, 48x28 garage, 47x27 floorspace = 1269 sqft. Looks amazing walking in...search me out on here for my thread.

 

[Dave88LX]

...<snip>...

Mostly to avoid floors that look like this ** AGAIN I AM NOT CRITCIZING YOU MIKE_C70, ONLY THE INADEQUATE INFORMATION YOU RECEIVED FROM WOLVERINE. **

...</snip>

Wow, are you done pimping your book yet? I don't think threadcrapping on this guy's floor is the proper place to try and sell your book.

Nor do I feel you should try and hold Wolverine Coatings or Alpha Garage responsible for the not-so-perfect dispersion of flakes on his floor.

Your post really has no point to it. You're slamming Wolverine/Alpha Garage for improperly informing the consumer on how to broadcast flakes, and then going off from there how overpriced etc. etc. they are.

You say that a professional takes 10+ floors before they even become good at broadcasting flake. Well let's put it in this perspective--I'm more than willing to sacrifice some heavier broadcast in some areas vs. others, to save on the $3000 or so I'd have to pay a contractor to install my coating.

I don't know if you sell to the DIY market or not, or if you're trying to say that only a professional contractor can get professional results, but you're not making a case for either one. You're doing a pretty good job of putting down the DIY'ers.

The broadcasting of the flakes in my floor came out far from perfect, but I don't hold Wolverine/Alpha Garage responsible. They are not the ones spreading the flakes for me. Like I said, I'll gladly take the unevenness and keep the $3K in my pocket. It was my fault for letting my wife/friend help with the flakes, who just stood in one spot at first and kept throwing them in the same direction.

You're not doing yourself any favors here. Fred has been MORE than adequate in helping myself and many others out along the way.


Anyways, this this thread is NOT the place for this discussion. Feel free to start your own discussion about this topic and we should continue it there.


I would like to point you in the direction of this guy: He seemed to do a pretty damn good job of evenly broadcasting his flake. PROPS TO YOU Wolverine and Alpha Garage for giving him great information on broadcasting the flakes!
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26308&showall=1

 

[moogoob]

if you releasing an e-book for free... why not just post it. if its good, it will speak for itself, and people will seek you out for more.

If its like the rest of the posts Ive seen 200+ pages is no big deal. I'm guessing its filled with midget real estate millionaires on a yacht, or some super energetic guy with a headset cleaning up epoxy spills shouting something like BaZammmn!!!. I also feeling a "you can make 100k part time by signing up for my business" included free if you buy a start up kit.

Its rare to see support as good as what AG/Wolverine provide, and on a personal level as well.


mike_c70: i think the floor cam out good.

 

[mike_c70]

Epoxy guy - When you want to spurt your BS, please do it somewhere. I think IT IS YOU THAT HAS NO CLUE what you are talking about. You are bashing the INSTALLER, that installer is me. If you have something to say, say it straight to my face instead of hiding behind the internet.

I'm too lazy to read through your garbage. I am not faulting Wolverine or Alphagarage whatsoever in their product. Their stuff is top notch. It's been proven by me as well as numerous other people that have posted their experiences. Fred defines customer service. He has been an absolutely pleasure to deal with. He called me up as soon as I "panicked". That speaks volumes. He called me up the morning I started to encourage me and make sure I got the steps right. He is a class act unlike you.

Has anyone tried your product and posted here? I don't think so. So a) they don't have faith in your product and b) they definitely don't have faith in your customer service. I can go on and on about you. You have been nothing but a nuisance on this board, spreading false information as well as badmouthing other people's products.

As far as that picture that you so kindly and diligently pointed out? It is I that does the spreading of the flakes and it is I that chooses what flake broadcast I want. Did Alphagarage put a gun in my head saying I have to get this and that? No. You also must be as blind as a bat because I see a heck of a lot more differences than what you have circled.

Trust me, I am as **** as it gets whet it comes to perfection (you can ask my wife - she hates me for that) but I have very happy with the floor. Could it look better? Absolutely, it is my first floor and I've learned a lot from doing it? All of my friends have complemented me on the floor and they were "floored" when I told them I did it myself.

BTW, whatever happened to that so-called promotion of yours? I bet all the people backed out of it because they got nothing but spam e-mails from you.

You say you have all these secrets about how to do a floor? Guess what? It's still up to the end user to follow up on it? Are you going to bash them too for not doing it PERFECTLY like you WROTE instead of actually DOING?

If you say you want to help out the community, why bother charging $29.00 for something that everyone here can ask about and look up for FREE? Where were you when I asked for help? So thank you very much for using my thread to advertise your stupid book and bashing me for my install.

Good luck with whatever BS you do, but stay out of my thread.

I'm done with this guy.


To everyone else, thanks for coming to my aid against this douchebag and thanks for the compliments. Yes, the floor is far from PERFECT, but I am more than happy with the end result and I am very proud of my work. As my wife says, the imperfections on the floor add CHARACTER to the overall look, something that epoxy floor guy apparently doesn't have.

 

[D KRAGER]

Epoxy guy: If you are going to get that nit-picky on a floor, why wouldn't you just put down tile???? You guys get way too serious about your floor. In a true working garage the floor is not going to look like a show room. But to each his own I guess.

By the way Mike, I thought that your floor looked awesome. Even after the circles around the so-called spots, I really don't see the imperfections....???
GREAT JOB!

 

[WolverineCoatings]

Hi Guys,

Mike, thanks using our products. I know that it must be rewarding for you now to enjoy your hard work in your finished garage floor.

And, thanks to everyone else for your kind comments about Fred and our company. There are 2 ways to have the tallest building in town. You can either work really hard to build your own, or you can spend your time tearing everyone elses building down. Fred has really been working hard to build his 'building'.

I have not posted in Epoxy Guy's main thread because I felt like it would show a lack of class to do so. However, I have posted my concerns about this guy, his marketing tactics, and his claims in another thread. here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26741. Once he accused me of lying by stating my opinions as fact I had no choice but to respond.

Mike, good job... sorry you had your thread hijacked...