Toolhorder
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Ahh so I'm whining if I don't go along with the pack mentality on the thread? I see.
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Ahh so I'm whining if I don't go along with the pack mentality on the thread? I see.
PistolWhip
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Oh and by the way, a one sided discussion is still a discussion. It's just not a discussion that your willing to make attempts to reverse. Rather you just cry about people having ill opinions about something you like and act is if in some way, you have authority to stop the discussion that you don't agree with... That there is called narcissism... Need any more help with your personality disorders? PM me and we can talk about it.
Toolhorder
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You have pretty poor reading comprehension, I have SEVERAL different boxes of DIFFERENT brands.
That better? Can you grasp that one yet?
You're STILL trying to make it a Vs. SO thread! Let it go man really...
Toolhorder
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Well I do think I'm better than you if that helps with your diagnosis.. No need to PM, you're obviously obtuse and a waste of my time to interact with.
PistolWhip
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It is an interesting debate. People do buy based on brand name. Kids today buy brand name clothes and the labels are actually sewn on the outside of garments these days so other kids can easily tell that "yes" those are the ones in the popular tv ad that everyone's talking about. At least Snap-On got it's reputation over many years of consistently attempting to make the best quality and design. Our kids are buying jeans from start up companies who have enlisted the skills of clever marketing companies who create their reputations over night. These companies don't know beans about jeans but are a handful of individuals who contract out the work overseas. They do know however how to trick young people into buying things they shouldn't buy.
If I had SO's reputation I'd be milking it for all it was worth too. Anyone would be a fool not to. Eventually we pay more for the name than we do for the design and build quality of a particular brand and this is where other makers have an opportunity to enter the market competitively. The buying public will determine the outcome between glitz and glitter brand logo vs bang for the buck funtionality.
If I had SO's reputation I'd be milking it for all it was worth too. Anyone would be a fool not to. Eventually we pay more for the name than we do for the design and build quality of a particular brand and this is where other makers have an opportunity to enter the market competitively. The buying public will determine the outcome between glitz and glitter brand logo vs bang for the buck funtionality.
PistolWhip
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No doubt, Snap On has a great name and outstanding marketability because of it. I still don't understand how anything I said had anything to do with bashing Snap On since a large majority of my tools are made by Snap On, but whatever. You certainly can't blame any company for capitalizing on market share and brand loyalty, as specially in economic times like these. But that was kind of what my original point was. Expensive things are easy to buy when the money you spend on them doesn't come out of your checking account. That doesn't make them the best value for your dollar and in times when a dollar doesn't exactly go very far, value should be more important than marketability and brand loyalty.
stopdroplol
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I guess the first half of my post was just too much for you handle. This is may hurt then. You're whining because you are going along with the pack mentality.
nate379
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are you sure you have a snap on box, maybe you mistakenly bought a stack on? a gently breeze should blow it open if not latched, sounds like you have a slide problem.
Also even if it has bearings the basic laws of physics still apply. If you have more weight in a drawer or a larger drawer it will take more energy to place it in motion. Do you have more tools in yours?
It's snap on. Kra series. The worst drawers I put new slides and if didn't help.
honcho
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I spent 12 years of my military career spending taxpayer money as an Acquisition Officer. I prepared specifications, evaluated products and supervised contracts. In general, I tried to help the Army purchase goods and services needed to accomplish our mission. Did we waste money? YES Did we save money? YES Could I have saved more money or better supported our missions? YES
The government does spend and waste a lot of money. A Snap-On toolbox that is used is not really a waste of money. A dozen Snap-On boxes that are not used is a waste of money. Spending $10k to charter a jet to bring a unique part that only costs about $500 is not a waste of money when you have dozens of people on hold at a cost of $150k/day waiting for the part to continue their work.
What is criminal is when government ineptitude and contractor greediness combine in ways that rip the taxpayer off in every way possible. Sadly, most of the time the involved government employees aren't held responsible and the greedy contractors aren't breaking the law, just taking advantage of the situation to the benefit of their profits and detriment of the taxpayer. The halfway decent contractors at least deliver a decent product. The not-so-decent contractors deliver garbage.
Government waste is as old as government itself. Just be thankful we don't live in a place like Nigeria or Zimbabwe where waste and corruption are so bad it keeps most of their population impoverished.
Anyway, I wish I could get the government's Snap-On pricing for myself.
The government does spend and waste a lot of money. A Snap-On toolbox that is used is not really a waste of money. A dozen Snap-On boxes that are not used is a waste of money. Spending $10k to charter a jet to bring a unique part that only costs about $500 is not a waste of money when you have dozens of people on hold at a cost of $150k/day waiting for the part to continue their work.
What is criminal is when government ineptitude and contractor greediness combine in ways that rip the taxpayer off in every way possible. Sadly, most of the time the involved government employees aren't held responsible and the greedy contractors aren't breaking the law, just taking advantage of the situation to the benefit of their profits and detriment of the taxpayer. The halfway decent contractors at least deliver a decent product. The not-so-decent contractors deliver garbage.
Government waste is as old as government itself. Just be thankful we don't live in a place like Nigeria or Zimbabwe where waste and corruption are so bad it keeps most of their population impoverished.
Anyway, I wish I could get the government's Snap-On pricing for myself.
How do yo know who paid for the tool box. And if you can do that please give me the numbers to the next power ball. I work for the gov. and if you go into my shop you will only see Snap On tool boxes paid for by each mechanic.
johnsdeere850j
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We are getting there pretty fast!
AS a matter of fact there are a lot of places in the US that look exactly like Nigeria or Zimbabwe.....
What do you think of the Orion project?
There have been three projects to replace the Space Shuttle and all of them have been cancelled after spending big bucks.
The latest one was called "Constellation" but it was recently cancelled yet
NASA is continuing with the design and build of the crew module (Orion) but there is no rocket that can put it in space and they are not even planning or designing one.
johnsdeere850j
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I just by $100 worth of ball bearing slides every couple years for my cheap tool box, it does the same thing as a Snap-on box at 1/10th the price...but that's just me... Only thing wrong with it is that it doesn't have that shiny Snap-on emblem that costs so many people waaaay more than the yearly deductible Roth IRA contribution limit they forgo by purchasing that box.
PistolWhip
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I don't think being thankful that our government isn't "as bad" as one that runs a 3rd world toilet with no running water, electricity, or even clothing for that matter is going to help anyone pay their mortgage or put gas in their cars to find work here in the US. I'd like to think that we're a little more advanced in our abilities and actions than to be compared to Zimbabwe and Nigeria. Allowing or accepting ineptitude, corruption or mismanagement just because "well, it could be worse" is part of the problem in this country and a reason why we are in the situation we're in right now. Decades of people slamming their heads in the sand while Uncle Sam picked their pockets from behind. Thinking that it's not worth fighting for because it could be much worse is exactly what leads a democracy into tyranny.
Now this has completely spiraled out of context from my original post and if anything, it was more of a tongue in cheek stick poke, but as I stated long ago in this thread, it seems that everyone get's all sensitive whenever a Snap On product is brought into a discussion. Hell, I never even said anything bad about Snap On and still had some people all worked up and losing sleep over it.
Alchymist
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My take on Snap-On VS:
You buy the tool that will fulfill it's task at the most inexpensive price possible. If that's a onetime use $2.00 HF, or a $200 Snappy, if it does the job, it's all good. I spent my whole adult life (from about age 13) acquiring tools, and own not only Snap-On but a host of others that have served me well and faithfully. (See http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102485
for how many different brands one can accumulate).
Why would anyone pay $40 for a tool that a $10 tool will do the job as well? Now on the other hand (besides 5 fingers) sometimes a $60 tool is the only thing that will fulfill the need - so buy it.
You buy the tool that will fulfill it's task at the most inexpensive price possible. If that's a onetime use $2.00 HF, or a $200 Snappy, if it does the job, it's all good. I spent my whole adult life (from about age 13) acquiring tools, and own not only Snap-On but a host of others that have served me well and faithfully. (See http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102485
for how many different brands one can accumulate).
Why would anyone pay $40 for a tool that a $10 tool will do the job as well? Now on the other hand (besides 5 fingers) sometimes a $60 tool is the only thing that will fulfill the need - so buy it.
The exception to this is when you can look ahead and know the $10.00 won't last too long and you know you'll be doing the same job many times coming so it's best to spend the money and get the best quality. Also when the more expensive tool offers additional features or adjustments so it will work on more variants of the job at hand. But yeah, I agree with what you're saying.
Moose-LandTran
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Moose' take: Buy whatever you want and f**k what everyone else thinks about it.
Toolhorder
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I can fix anything
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You sir are brilliant!
I think you hit the nail on the head with this post.
I can fix anything
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Money well spent. Trial and error is a part of any design and manufacturing process. What if the the first primitive man to try to make a stone spearpoint failed, and gave up? I'm sure knowledge was gained and will be applied in the future.
I would rather see our taxpayer dollars end up in NASA's hands where most of the money they spend remains within the US economy, not to mention everything they do to advance science and technology. Much better than using taxpayer money to put chinese solar panels on private individual's roofs.
That said, here's another nasa snapon box, sorry for the poor pic i couldnt go down to where it was.
And theres some lista and vidmar in here somewhere. (this is my dream workshop. i decided.)
Is it just me or is there a sand floor next to the white tile? Is that where they faked the moon landing pics???
I also forgot to mention that as someone who's worked on quite a few government contracts/jobs, getting purchase authorization to buy from a non GSA vendor can be a royal pain in the ***. The amount of time and manpower required to get authorization to purchase from a non-GSA vendor often isn't worth the savings that might be possible, especially if the product is needed in a specific time frame.
I know to many people here, purchasing Snap-on or any other "big name" toolbox or tools is a waste of money. To a point, they are right. However these aren't personal purchases that are going to be babied by one person in their garage, these are assets that have an expected lifespan, and are intended to be used for the entirety of that expected lifespan and then surplussed and replaced. There is plenty more to the cost of a product than just the purchase price, which is part of the reason that the lowest priced option isn't always the best one when it comes to business or government purchases.
Toolhorder
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My steak knifes are better than your steak knifes!!!
William Payne
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Going away from nasa for a second, I am guessing alot of big companies like nasa buy based on tool life under constant use. I don't know for a fact but down here in new zealand a few hours up the coast from where I live there is alot of oil exploration and my brother who used to work retail was telling me that when he talked to a supplier that they told him that the oil companies that do the work would buy one brand of power tools that just happened to be super expensive the oil companies reasoning was that that brands product gave them the best tool life with the minimum chance of breakage, to this company the idiology of replace it when it breaks was not an option for them.
I would imagine a company like nasa would be the same way.
I would imagine a company like nasa would be the same way.