Need help with some electrical work in shop...

[Smarthomes.Cal]

If there is a disconnect at the meter then the panel youre calling “main panel” is actually a subpanel… should be 4-wire with isolated neutral bus

 

[Smarthomes.Cal]

Sir you are correct, there was a disconnect at the meter about 30 feet away, however there was no earth ground....
Does that still make it the main panel....
These pictures are the wires coming into the shop.....
I guess this is not the main then....
The disconnect breaker is under the meter....
Does that make it the main panel instead of this one.....

 

[Smarthomes.Cal]

Oh boy.....

Unless I'm missing something the black wire exiting upper right needs to be in conduit

Oh boy.....

Unless I'm missing something the black wire exiting upper right needs to be in conduit

Oh boy.....

Unless I'm missing something the black wire exiting upper right needs to be in conduit

Need a little correction here. Fault current wants to go back to the neutral at the transformer. This is why the main panel is grounded. A ground rod, ect doesn't carry fault current.

Need a little correction here. Fault current wants to go back to the neutral at the transformer. This is why the main panel is grounded. A ground rod, ect doesn't carry fault current.

I'll throw in $1 and say it's all perfectly fine once pics are posted.

 

[Smarthomes.Cal]

Guys I am grateful for every ones help....Please forgive me for not being able to navigate through this site....

I am trying to send pics....Don't know who's getting them....

I think a few people got them....

Just know I appreciate every ones help...

 

[Bert_]

Oh boy. Subpanel wiring has lots of issues. It's tapped ahead of the main. That wire needs to be in conduit.

I assume the panel in the picture is what you have been calling the main panel? That looks pretty good. Other than the three loose wires

 

[sparky 1971]

Oh boy. Subpanel wiring has lots of issues. It's tapped ahead of the main. That wire needs to be in conduit.

I assume the panel in the picture is what you have been calling the main panel? That looks pretty good. Other than the three loose wires

I've got a PM going on with him. There's a disconnect outside that he doesn't see any evidence of a ground at. The "main" panel has a three wire feed in what looks like PVC. I asked him to post more pics tomorrow, hopefully of the inside of the disconnect, maybe there's evidence of a UFER.

 

[sparky 1971]

Guys I am grateful for every ones help....Please forgive me for not being able to navigate through this site....

I am trying to send pics....Don't know who's getting them....

I think a few people got them....

Just know I appreciate every ones help...

your pictures are posting, I can't speak for everybody, but I am unable to blow them up big enough to tell anything.

 

[PCustoms]

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your pictures are posting, I can't speak for everybody, but I am unable to blow them up big enough to tell anything.

Ditto

 

[mm08822]

your pictures are posting, I can't speak for everybody, but I am unable to blow them up big enough to tell anything.

I downloaded them and was able to zoom in but they gritty pretty quickly.

 

[Wiz02]

Guys I am grateful for every ones help....Please forgive me for not being able to navigate through this site....

I am trying to send pics....Don't know who's getting them....

I think a few people got them....

Just know I appreciate every ones help...

Like the others already said, your pics are uploaded and visible, but are very blurry.

While I may ask the guys here for a clarification on how the NEC is interpreted / implemented in the field under certain conditions, I understand how AC works and I am comfortable working with it. I strongly suggest given your level of experience, (based on your questions) that you hire a professional, licensed electrician.

I don't give this advice lightly, as I am a big proponent of DIY, and while people here are kind and want to help, you could end up getting seriously hurt or hurt someone else. Be safe.

 

[mm08822]

OP, as requested better pics and include main panel on the pole, this "main panel" (let's call it Sub-1) and pics of Sub-2.

 

[mm08822]

I'll throw in $1 and say it's all perfectly fine once pics are posted.

Fess up

 

[PCustoms]

Fess up

Pm me an address,cill drop a roll of (Canadian) pennies in the mail.



There's definitely some issues here, so far can't see anything that was actually described though

 

[dcg9381]

If you can pass an electrical inspection with the guys on GJ, you're dong it better than about 95% of the master electrician installs that I've seen in real life...

 

[mm08822]

Pm me an address,cill drop a roll of (Canadian) pennies in the mail.



There's definitely some issues here, so far can't see anything that was actually described though

Can I get a roll of washers instead? More valuable.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Oh boy.....

Unless I'm missing something the black wire exiting upper right needs to be in conduit

yeah wow WTF. individual conductor just ran in the wall x3. looks like the left one is sharing the romex clamp with the #10 orange NM-b

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Sir you are correct, there was a disconnect at the meter about 30 feet away, however there was no earth ground....
Does that still make it the main panel....
These pictures are the wires coming into the shop.....
I guess this is not the main then....
The disconnect breaker is under the meter....
Does that make it the main panel instead of this one.....

yes

 

[wyliesdiesels]

your pictures are posting, I can't speak for everybody, but I am unable to blow them up big enough to tell anything.

yeah i cant either

 

[sparky 1971]

In post #46 he states this is a brand new building. HIs location is Seattle. Does Seattle or the suburbs not have an inspection process? In a PM, he told me this is his job. I would be letting whoever owns the building, whether it's his boss or a land lord, know about this mess. Someone paid for that.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

In post #46 he states this is a brand new building. HIs location is Seattle. Does Seattle or the suburbs not have an inspection process? In a PM, he told me this is his job. I would be letting whoever owns the building, whether it's his boss or a land lord, know about this mess. Someone paid for that.

oh theyre very strict up there from what ive heard...

theres no way this was inspected or permitted.

some of it needs to be ripped out and redone

 

[sparky 1971]

oh theyre very strict up there from what ive heard...

theres no way this was inspected or permitted.

some of it needs to be ripped out and redone

I know all about sneaking things past building departments without a permit. One thing I haven't been able to figure out how to do is get a POCO to turn on the power to a building without a release from the AHJ.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

I know all about sneaking things past building departments without a permit. One thing I haven't been able to figure out how to do is get a POCO to turn on the power to a building without a release from the AHJ.

yeah that aint happening here

 

[sparky 1971]

yeah that aint happening here

It somehow happened there. For the life of me, I can't see how even an inspector named Forrest Gump could let that fly.

 

[Smarthomes.Cal]

Can you clarify this? The sub panel has no breaker/disconnect?

Can you clarify this? The sub panel has no breaker/disconnect?

Fess up

oh theyre very strict up there from what ive heard...

theres no way this was inspected or permitted.

some of it needs to be ripped out and redone

Guys this is a mess that I came into just a few weeks ago....
This was a shed turned into a shop....
It is way out in the country and there seems to be some sort of deal or something worked out with the poco...

None of my business....I don't and never will ask that question....

I just got here, and I knew something was wrong.....

This is why I've reached out to you guys....

Yes the code in Seattle is very strict... Obviously this mess wouldn't pass....

We are so far out in the wilderness that a Black Bear is probably the code inspector....

Don't know .... never seen him.....
Probably won't.....

But what I've learned from you guys in just a few days has been extremely beneficial and for that I'm grateful....

Thank you guys for all of your help.....

 

[Smarthomes.Cal]

Like the others already said, your pics are uploaded and visible, but are very blurry.

While I may ask the guys here for a clarification on how the NEC is interpreted / implemented in the field under certain conditions, I understand how AC works and I am comfortable working with it. I strongly suggest given your level of experience, (based on your questions) that you hire a professional, licensed electrician.

I don't give this advice lightly, as I am a big proponent of DIY, and while people here are kind and want to help, you could end up getting seriously hurt or hurt someone else. Be safe.

Yes sir, I might wind up doing just that.....Thank you for your help sir....