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Larger fittings, larger hoses, and shorter hoses are all band aids to repair a problem of an undersized compressor. I don't think your compressor is undersized for what you have here, but I do suggest you swap the smaller compressor out for the larger compressor. Mount the compressor stationary in the shed and buy a 100' 1/2" air hose. Stringing an air hose out every time you want to use the compressor is easier than dragging the compressor out each time. You will be hard pressed to overwork the larger compressor, but you will always be right at the limit of the smaller compressor.

As far as the current issue, your impact is likely the cause. C-man tools are sub-par anymore. Sorry to say it. Test the gun w/ a buddies larger compressor, hopefully a buddy w/ a bad-*** impact gun too. Try your gun on his compressor, his gun on his compressor, his gun on your compressor. D-U-N-N.
 
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The gun is about 3 years maybe 4 barely used.
I disassembled it couple years ago and re greased it thing it would help.

I have 50ft hose, I take the compressor to my driveway that's 100ft give or take away.

The 3/8 fittings will cost me 15 to 20 bucks altogether

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Did you grease the internals or did you oil the internals? BIG difference between the two.

It's not the compressor that's the problem. CFM of the compressor only comes into play once the tank pressure goes below your regulator set point and even then, just wait until the pressure builds back up.

The torque your gun puts out when your tank is between the compressor on/off pressure settings (could be anywhere from 100-145 psi) is all dependent on your hose, fittings and air tool- not the compressor itself.
 

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The problem is not the compressor.
I have a 33 gallon craftsman compressor with the similar CFM ratings. It came with a craftsman 1/2 gun that would not take off lugnuts.

With my IR thunder gun, it will twist the studs off the car. I run it on the lowest settings and only 90psi.

Same air compressor here. My wife bought me a Craftsman air tool kit and the impact wasn't worth a sh!t. I returned it and got a Ingersoll Rand impact rated at 650ft/lbs and works fine with my compressor. I am using a 50ft 3/8" hose.
 

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Have you tried taking them off with a lug wrench or breaker bar? wondering if they are that damn tight,how the hell would get them off on the road?If you have a torque wrench,maybe check'm and see what the torque is...

Had a shop put new tires on her sons car,they said it needed new brakes in the front,I had him bring it over the next day to do the brakes and I could'nt break'm loose with my impact,then broke one stud trying to get them them off with a breaker and a pipe,had him go back to the shop and they broke 2 more get'm off....he would have been SOL on the road.....
good luck,
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The gun is about 3 years maybe 4 barely used.
I disassembled it couple years ago and re greased it thing it would help.

Did you grease the internals or did you oil the internals? BIG difference between the two.

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This is what I would suspect. I'd take the gun back apart and clean any grease out, reassemble, and use air tool oil to lube it before I tried anything else. You compressor should be fine. The long hose may cause some pressure drop, but probably not much more than a few psi. You can crank your regulator up a little to compensate.
 
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The internals take grease not oil, its a closed system

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Larger fittings, larger hoses, and shorter hoses are all band aids to repair a problem of an undersized compressor.

Sorry, but that compressor is not undersized. Again, I use a tiny, hand-carry nail gun compressor, 1/4" NPT fittings, and everything else that people here have pointed to as the cause of the problem and I still have NO problems breaking loose lug nuts that I have torqued to 150 ft-lb using a torque wrench.

To the O.P.: Spend all the time and money you want on fittings, hoses, new compressor, whatever. This is NOT your problem. I agree with those who have pointed to the impact gun. This is NOT a volume problem.

Your money, your call.
 

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Sorry, but that compressor is not undersized. Again, I use a tiny, hand-carry nail gun compressor, 1/4" NPT fittings, and everything else that people here have pointed to as the cause of the problem and I still have NO problems breaking loose lug nuts that I have torqued to 150 ft-lb using a torque wrench.

To the O.P.: Spend all the time and money you want on fittings, hoses, new compressor, whatever. This is NOT your problem. I agree with those who have pointed to the impact gun. This is NOT a volume problem.

Your money, your call.

^^SO TRUE

this place is always about having the 200gallon 3phase compressor in your garage.

I also use a 5gallon compressor with an impact gun and no problems.

its your impact gun thats junk. Buy an IR gun and be done with it:thumbup:
 
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It prob is my gun, but unfortunately I don't have another 200+ dollars to buy another. I do have a little to afford 20 for the fittings and such.

The larger fittings and bigger hose is something I can use either way and will only help anyway.

How every I would really love to get a better gun, and at some point I will, I've looking at a 1000 ft pd impact, maybe I can find something used around that spec on the cheap.

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Did you grease the internals or did you oil the internals? BIG difference between the two.

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This is what I would suspect. I'd take the gun back apart and clean any grease out, reassemble, and use air tool oil to lube it before I tried anything else. You compressor should be fine. The long hose may cause some pressure drop, but probably not much more than a few psi. You can crank your regulator up a little to compensate.


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It prob is my gun, but unfortunately I don't have another 200+ dollars to buy another. I do have a little to afford 20 for the fittings and such.

The larger fittings and bigger hose is something I can use either way and will only help anyway.

How every I would really love to get a better gun, and at some point I will, I've looking at a 1000 ft pd impact, maybe I can find something used around that spec on the cheap.

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Save your $20 and buy a new gun. The fittings will not help with the combination that you have.
 

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I think you need to crank up the working pressure.

Didn’t catch how much you are presently using, but I find 125 psi at the service points to be the ideal working pressure for my needs. All my air tools work great at this pressure. Hell, I still have an old BluePoint AT500 and a Rodac 606. These guns are 35 years old and can still easily remove the lugs from my F350 that are torqued at 150 foot pounds.

Your much newer gun should easily be able to remove the lug nuts. Try turning up the working pressure to 125 psi, if my 35 year old guns can do it, so will yours.

If not, then condemn your gun.

This simple test won’t cost you anything.

Good Luck
 
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Yep, I have psi set to 125ish, I figured its prob gun. To bad really .

Just stuck with it till I can afford a better one I guess. I'm going to try and get a used one somewhere.

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I agree with the others who say it is the impact gun not the compressor. I had the exact same issue with a Craftsman impact gun. I have a Craftsman 33 gal oilless compressor and the impact gun that came with it worked for about two years then one day it just wouldn't loosen lug nuts.

I didn't have a much money to replace it, so I went to Harbor Freight and bought an Earthquake 1/2" Impact gun on sale for $85. It has handled every task I have thrown at it so far. If money is tight, the HF Earthquake is a pretty good value.
 
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The hose shouldnt be a problem.

I use a 6 gallon 125 max psi that is rated at 2cfm compressor and I get 2 lug nuts off till I run out of air.

I would put your regulated pressure higher on your compressor to about 130 psi and see if that works

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Look on craigslist for a better gun
 
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I didn't have a much money to replace it, so I went to Harbor Freight and bought an Earthquake 1/2" Impact gun on sale for $85. It has handled every task I have thrown at it so far. If money is tight, the HF Earthquake is a pretty good value.

I bought this same gun specifically for busting lugs loose and it has served me well. Use a coupon to save a little more. The sucker is rather heavy, though.

Tom
 

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I forget the brand of mine (Campbell Hausfield maybe?) air impact gun, it's a total POS, couldn't take off lug nuts to save it's life. I switched to a breaker bar.

Long story short, next time I'm just gonna buy an Aircat, check out the reviews on this bad boy: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007WQQ90A/ - why yes it does have 5 stars and 140 reviews :thumbup:
 

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Personally I would pick up a HF earthquake when I could, but in the mean time spray the lugs down with 50/50 acetone/vegetable oil (works better than the atf/acetone with heat and the fumes are no where near as bad ). Let it it soak if you feel like it, then heat up the lugs with a propane torch one at a time. Check every couple minutes to see if they are ready to come off. If they are really stuck they will come off even with wimpy impact gun. This way you don't have to worry about breaking off the studs.

Before you re install the lugs drip some used motor oil in them and save a future headache
 

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The problem im having is I cant seem to break loose my lug nuts that i put at 120ft pd, with my 700ft pd craftsmen impact wrench.

They have been on for awhile now close to a year.
I can take off newly torqued bolts but not the ones that's been on for a while.



After reading this again,I would have to say the impact sounds like the problem but that impact should do it,it could be just rusted on,I use anti-seize on the studs,works good.But I still would want to find out what the torque on the nuts are....if its that rusted or over tight,how would you get them off on the side of the road?Just grab your lug wrench or breaker bar and see if them come off,if they do,then your impact is weak,if not 4' pipe on the bar,still won't,way to tight,soak and heat,try again.....
 

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Barely adequate makes it sound like a wasted my money on this compressor.
I hope that isn't the case.

The only reason I didn't buy the 60 gallon was because it wasn't portable.
My shed where I keep compressor is 100ft give or take from driveway where I work on my vehicles.

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Gordo's post above this one explains it perfectly. Assuming the compressor is not defective, including the regulator, it really shouldn't be the problem.

I regularly used my early 1990's vintage Sears 25 gallon 110v compressor through a 100 ft, 3/8" inch hose with 1/4" ends and a 1/2", IR 231 impact to remove the lug nuts off my 2004 Dodge 1 ton dually. It is important to note that 1/4" pipe was used to attach the hose to the regulator on the compressor and not a quick disconnect. The hose had a quick disconnect on the impact end only.

If the tank is fully charged to at least 120 psi, and the regulator is working correctly, the tank and hose will typically flow enough air to break loose a lug nut even if the compressor isn't plugged in. At some point the tank must be recharged of course.

You need to methodically find the problem.

As mentioned before, Chrysler used left head threads on one side of the vehicle on certain year models of cars.
 

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The gun is about 3 years maybe 4 barely used.
I disassembled it couple years ago and re greased it thing it would help.
Did it get re-assembled properly?

Every impact wrench that needs GREASE has a grease fitting on the hammer case. Impact wrenches that use oil have a drain/fill plug on the case.

I have 50ft hose, I take the compressor to my driveway that's 100ft give or take away.
I sometimes use two fifty-foot, 3/8 hoses when wrenching in my driveway. It does cut down on the power the tool provides...but NOT so much that it won't spin off lug nuts.

Knocking off lug nuts is damned little challenge for a 1/2 impact gun, even with the "handicap" of a small air compressor. Even a crappy Chinese impact wrench should do it with EASE. A decent 3/8 impact wouldn't have too much trouble if the studs/nuts aren't rusty; depending on the torque they install at.

Since you don't seem to want to check your air pressure at the tool, with the tool running, EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST GUESSWORK. There is NO WAY to know what is wrong without testing air pressure as described, or substituting a different compressor/hoses and/or impact wrench. Both diagnostic methods have already been suggested.
 
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.......Torque (force) to remove the lug nuts is related to pressure and has nothing to do with flow (volume). See the formula below. However, you need to maintain the pressure at the gun when it is running and that requires sufficient air flow (volume). You may generate high torque when you press the trigger but it quickly decreases due to insufficient volume of air to maintain the pressure.

Put the lug nuts on with a torque wrench to avoid the issue in the future.

Torque (in-lbs) = (PSI x (Displacement per revolution of the impact in cubic inches)) / 2 (3.14)

Ah, science and math: think, calculate, repair. Or, just keep buying anything you can think of until maybe, perhaps, the problem magically goes away. :D

Thank you ford33 for your post and this formula.

To the OP: it's not your compressor! I have a 150 psi 25 gal Porter Cable branded compressor, and with a $25 Chinese impact I was unable to remove many bolt. I replaced it with a clear-out Porter Cable branded impact rated for 400 ft lbs and I've never been skunked yet.

1. Don't run your compressor on an extension cord, use a longer air hose if need be. Look at the thickness of your electrical cord, compare it to any extension cord you own. The voltage drop will put excessive heat and strain to the motor.

2. Look at the air regulator on you compressor when holding the trigger on your impact wrench. You'll see how much psi drops with a running tool. If you need 90 psi, you need while the tool is running, not static. So leaving your compressor set to 125 psi will probably do, bu check anyway.

3. The longer the air hose the more the pressure drop. Do you really need to use a 50 ft hose when removing lug nuts? Can you get by with a 25 ft hose? If so, buy one. You can switch lengths depending on what you're doing.

4. If you want to be precise, do like others have said and get a pressure gauge and install it on the working end of the air hose and check the pressure. This tells you what the air tool actually has available to use.

5. A larger air tank will allow your air tool to run longer before the motor needs to recharge, so you can run a tool longer without waiting for the tank to "catch up." A larger tank has nothing to do with amount of air delivered to the tool; that is related to pressure and flow. A 500 hp tankless compressor will deliver more air than a 1000 gallon 1 hp compressor.

6. Don't waste your money on larger fittings. It won't help. I too used a 5 gal pancake compressor with my air impact until I got my current compressor, and I was able to remove lug nuts without a problem. I could only hold the trigger for short period and had to wait frequently till the compressor recharged, but the air flow and pressure allowed the tool to do the job.

7. Remove the lug nuts by hand or take it to a shop and pay them to do it. Always reinstall lug nuts using a torque wrench.
 

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Hell, I still have an old BluePoint AT500 and a Rodac 606. These guns are 35 years old and can still easily remove the lugs from my F350 that are torqued at 150 foot pounds.

Your much newer gun should easily be able to remove the lug nuts. Try turning up the working pressure to 125 psi, if my 35 year old guns can do it, so will yours.

If not, then condemn your gun.

This simple test won’t cost you anything.

Good Luck

Funny I have a rodac 606 and it cannot do much more than 120 lbs torque lug nuts.
I got it new and it has sat way more than not. On the same air tool oil bottle.
A dozen different air systems and the same results.
I did the stupid breaker bar thing for years. I say stupid as why have a gun if you need to use a breaker bar? I don't get how many suggested it. Once is enough.
A marginal gun will be more powerful if you have better air flow, a 600 lb one won't for a lug nut. I can see where there has been confusion in this thread.
I've run many a compressor with long extension cords and short hoses. Like the size of your hose, the size of your wire matters. People mention putting a pressure gauge at the hose end but no one mentions a voltmeter at the end of an extension.
 

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Well, a 1/4 air hose has enough flow/CFM to handle 5CFM of air flow for your impact.
Pull the Trigger on impact and set psi to 90...

Here is a nice little CFM flow chart I have used for rule of Thumb...
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/air-discharge-hose-d_1523.html

You will get well over 10CFM(closer to 16CFM) use'n a 1/4 air hose @90 psi..
*Note thats use'n 100Ft hose
 
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^^SO TRUE

this place is always about having the 200gallon 3phase compressor in your garage.

I also use a 5gallon compressor with an impact gun and no problems.

^^^^ SO TRUE :)

I used an 11 gallon Campbell Hausfeld compressor for over 20 years. Ran my ancient Bluepoint impact with almost no recovery time on lugnuts, there are only 5 or 6 at a time after all.
To this day that compressor runs my small tire machine for breaking beads and reseating them. "Can't be done!" they all howl. "You need 60 gallons minimum!" Whatever.
 

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I have the very same compressor. I have no problem but I use an American Made Ingersoll-Rand 1/2" impact.
I dought this is your problem, but several years ago, I was offered a practically new 2HP craftsman air compressor for $50.00. I jumped on it although the owner had said it would not remove lug nuts with 120# showing on gauge.
When I got it home, I had to change a leaking pop-off valve and noticed the gauge read 55# with valve removed and definitely no pressure in tank!!!
Problem was that a bad gauge was installed from factory and pressure was set at 120# when actually it had 65#!!
Long shot but check it.
 
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I wish I could come across an used IR that's really cheap, I'm going to check some pawnshops and maybe a fleamarket or something

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Recalling back when I first purchased the impact wrench, I only had a 6 gallon Bostitch pancake oil less compressor.
The first time using impact with that compressor I took off lugs that were on at 150 torque PDS.

Seems right after that, started going down hill

It only had around 2 cfm at 90psi

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